Rendlesham Forest…, A Christmas Story from 1980 - Can We ‘Let it Be’?

data5091
....... I cannot recommend the book "Left as Eastgate" any more higher. Very very detailed breakdown of this very intriguing and complex case. Great read!

It's a good few years since I read "Left at Eastgate" but nonetheless it is an interesting read and given Steve LaPlume's comments in the thread I am convinced that Larry Warren witnessed something (or was somehow made to believe he witnessed something) very, very strange. In fact he is very open to that possibility as well. Not only that as Larry Warren has said himself, take him out of the story, and you still have a very strange set of events that remain unexplained.

reply to post by mirageman


Oh I concur. I would love to have seen this made into a movie, myself. I have seen it presented a number of times on various ufo programming and find it fascinating, but because it was such a complex, wide, varied case I feel it deserves more than just mention on a tv program, but to be made into a movie on the order of say "Fire In The Sky".

reply to post by spacevisitor


I did not realise there was a video copy of that conference. I forgot to add that in my previous post. Someone somewhere out there must be holding on to a copy.

As for the early release of the MoD documents, Dr.David Clarke lays claim to :

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In 2001 I persuaded the Ministry of Defence, using the Code of Practice for Access to Government Information (a precursor to the Freedom of Information Act), to release their file on the incident. Since that time I have, when time allowed, continued to trace key players in the saga including MoD and RAF personnel who dealt with the reports as part of their duties.


Source : drdavidclarke.co.uk...

You are possibly already aware of that and know that Clarke is very sceptical (some might even say 'hostile') in the field. Although he does occasionally admit that parts of the Rendlesham story remain a mystery.

reply to post by mirageman


Pretty sure this was a case of Mass Hysteria and a lighthouse.
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reply to post by data5091


I would hope that given today's cheap technology an independent film company could handle the CGI needed for a movie on Rendlesham with a reasonably tight budget and develop a plot that doesn't go too far off track from the actual story . Whilst Travis Walton didn't entirely agree with the treatment given to "Fire in the Sky" it did have a decent plot to it and appealed to more than just the UFO crowd. There was also an episode of "New Tricks" (a British TV Cop drama) which used certain plot lines reminiscent of the Rendlesham case called "The Truth is Out There",



Sorry I don't have anymore time to discuss things tonight. I am hoping to go over some of the theories on what did happen in a few days.

But please keep adding to the thread if you feel there is anything to add.

reply to post by data5091


I would hope that given today's cheap technology an independent film company could handle the CGI needed for a movie on Rendlesham with a reasonably tight budget and develop a plot that doesn't go too far off track from the actual story . Whilst Travis Walton didn't entirely agree with the treatment given to "Fire in the Sky" it did have a decent plot to it and appealed to more than just the UFO crowd. There was also an episode of "New Tricks" (a British TV Cop drama) which used certain plot lines reminiscent of the Rendlesham case called "The Truth is Out There",



Sorry I don't have anymore time to discuss things tonight. I am hoping to go over some of the theories on what did happen in a few days.

But please keep adding to the thread if you feel there is anything to add.

reply to post by rigel4


What would be your theory on the blue lights that a number of witness statements reported?

LIGHTHOUSE!!?!?! Have you never seen so many documentaries on that one and tests made proving that they have not mistaken lighthouse lights with that..


Let's say that it was a UFO, what makes it impossible to think it was not some tested USAF military drone? Just because it had symbols one couldn't draw to make people think it's an alien?

The problem I'm having is with the part 'suddenly getting some 10101010100101010110101010110101110' binary code in my mind' and not only that - but being able to write that down and not only that but - later when decoded saying:

Exploration [of] Humanity

Who doesn't see some decoration and something too fancy to the story?

Back when I was still tolerating the nonsense in the UFO topic, for me this was one of the best cases of UFO or even alien encounter, now I would say it goes behind.

Recently I watched Ancient Aliens Season 5 where this case was featured for X-ed time as so many docs have mentioned that case already... Penniston and Borough really couldn't get any more progress,

In conclusion: Rendlesham Forest Incident - LOST CAUSE / CASE CLOSED

mirageman
reply to post by spacevisitor

 

I did not realise there was a video copy of that conference. I forgot to add that in my previous post. Someone somewhere out there must be holding on to a copy.

I have tried to obtain that video or a copy for quite some time now and have used many channels, but had no success so far.

mirageman
reply to post by spacevisitor

 

As for the early release of the MoD documents, Dr.David Clarke lays claim to :

.......
In 2001 I persuaded the Ministry of Defence, using the Code of Practice for Access to Government Information (a precursor to the Freedom of Information Act), to release their file on the incident. Since that time I have, when time allowed, continued to trace key players in the saga including MoD and RAF personnel who dealt with the reports as part of their duties.


Source : drdavidclarke.co.uk...

You are possibly already aware of that and know that Clarke is very sceptical (some might even say 'hostile') in the field. Although he does occasionally admit that parts of the Rendlesham story remain a mystery.

I am aware of those views about Clarke, although I must admit that I did not followed him close enough myself.
But it is in my opinion quite naïve to expect that the Ministry of Defence would ever give out the files of the incident that really matters or that the people from the military command such as Base Commander Col Ted Conrad or Wing Commander, Col Gordon Williams would ever tell what really happened there.
That’s not the way it works with these kinds of major UFO cases and never will as you also know.
And because all the ‘hard’ evidence was confiscated right after the events and the witnesses were interrogated and threatened with heavy punishments, such as for instance “bullets are cheap” we will never ever become to know what really happened in Rendlesham from those channels.
That’s why in my opinion none of the still living witnesses besides Larry Warren and Penniston and Burroughs will never ever come forward to tell their story?
And is that not very understandable?

Regarding those binary codes; If these codes have been n Penniston's book since the incident then I have to ask myself how could a military cop every figure this out back then well before we common folk had a computer in every house?

I can not for the life of me see Jim P sitting down and coming up with these codes on his own in 1980. And if he did would he not have shown them to someone and said "Hey what do you think of this crap I dumped out of my head?" Remember back n 1980 Binary codes were not so common a thing that every one knew what they were. I remember ni5th grade the teacher touched on it in class for al of about t5 minutes and said when you combine them they make sense but we never ever went into even what combo made an A or a B. Jim entered the service years before me so I really doubt he was schooled in Binary codes.

The alternative is he is full of # and put them in there years later. However he can prove through some sort of witness he told me a few years ago that some one had seen them in there and can confirm they were in the book a number of years ago.

This aspect is very, very odd for me to get my head around for sure. Also if no one else involved comes forward with any more information then I would have to agree the case is in the cold file because every one has mind F**ked this case to death.

But in closing on this subject John did ask me a few years back to take some coordinates from these binary codes and go see where they were in China. He knew they were in China but what was there who was in the area etc.. so I did that research for him. stunned to find out the place he gave me was one of the most holy mountains in China where Emperors had gone to for years making a pilgrimage to ask for blessings and such on their dynasty, It was thought to be a very high energy place. Today it is a not so popular tourist sight those that go there go because they know the history of it. There is also a military communications center near the top which I declined to investigate more than a cursory look being I like my freedom. So I am not sure how Jon B would even know about such a place. It is not popular and even being a sight seeing nut like I was in China I had never heard of it. It was not on a popular tourist route. It was actually quite difficult to get up to this place and the cords given were right on the top of the mountain about 10 meters left of center between the military installation and the exact summit. That aspect made me think neither him nor Jim had any real clue what these codes were all about until they started to research things. John B and I had been talking nearly weekly at this pint. I had lost contact with him over the past year do to my own personal issues. Take that info for what it is but John had told me that I think 5 of the coordinates were places just like this over the world on in South America one in North America one in Europe one in China etc... Al thought to be high energy places whatever that means exactly I am not sure but in China it is exactly as stated the place has a lot of high energy so maybe good for the Chi. The only other high energy place I had ever been was near Montevideo Uruguay and it was thought to have high energy due to a magnetic field in the hearth. I don't know anymore about such matters though.

Sorry to be so long winded

mirageman
reply to post by rigel4

 

What would be your theory on the blue lights that a number of witness statements reported?

Perhaps and Ambulance...
Blue lights on an airbase is a fairly common feature.

After the recent 'UFO over Leeds' media UFO incident fiasco where
a local man regularly flies his LED gliders. Mr Heseltine should stop
dreaming of Hollywood film scripts and do real local UFO research.

The real film should be entitled 'Rendlesham UFO Groundhog Day'

It`s Christmas eve night 1980 in England. USAF security guards witness
a UFO at the Bentwaters military base. 25th December, they remember
nothing and the same UFO encounter happens again. 26th December,
they remember nothing and have no action strategy regarding UFO`s.

Rendlesham UFO Groundhog Day 'When a UFO Christmas never ends'

The sequel : Rendlesham Dogs : a screenplay by Quentin Tareltine.

4 USAF security guards inside a military base in England are involved
in a shoot out with alien visitors who are there to steal the nuclear
weapons hidden at the base. They take an live alien visitor captive
in the boot of their military jeep to a disused hangar for interegation.

Code names are only used between the 4 USAF special agents.

Mr Glasses, Mr Short, Mr Base, Mr Late, and the conflict rises

'' Its either the Alien or the Lighthouse .. Don`t make me do this! ''

LaPlume
Regarding those binary codes; If these codes have been n Penniston's book since the incident then I have to ask myself how could a military cop every figure this out back then well before we common folk had a computer in every house?

I can not for the life of me see Jim P sitting down and coming up with these codes on his own in 1980. And if he did would he not have shown them to someone and said "Hey what do you think of this crap I dumped out of my head?" Remember back n 1980 Binary codes were not so common a thing that every one knew what they were. I remember ni5th grade the teacher touched on it in class for al of about t5 minutes and said when you combine them they make sense but we never ever went into even what combo made an A or a B. Jim entered the service years before me so I really doubt he was schooled in Binary codes.

The alternative is he is full of # and put them in there years later. However he can prove through some sort of witness he told me a few years ago that some one had seen them in there and can confirm they were in the book a number of years ago.

Jim Penniston never talked about these binary codes in any interview I've ever seen or read previous to this "discovery" for the Ancient Aliens episode. I've followed this story since it was first mentioned on an episode of Unsolved Mysteries in the 80's. He's shown this notebook on numerous occasions for various television interviews. Not once in those interviews did he mention or show a series of numbers he had written down. He willfully gave everyone these odd symbols originally, which made no sense. Why wouldn't he give these odd numbers as well that made no sense? That defies a logical explanation.

I believe this story needed a new jump start after 30 years. He came up with this idea and using the internet he easily translated English to binary. That would also explain the use of the later version of the code. Unfortunately, doing so has to make you question his credibility overall. I think he took his story a step too far. In a search for more $$$$ on the lecture circuit maybe?

mirageman

combatmaster
reply to post by mirageman

 

Why has hollywood never made a movie about this?

It seems that movies are a good way of getting an idea across to the sheeple.

Or have i just answered my own question?

Gary Heseltine (a former UK police officer and UFO researcher) has drafted a script with the assistance of Colonel Halt. Although I am not sure where that is up to at the moment. However I'll be honest and say that if Hollywood got hold of it then I'm not sure how much of the original story would survive.

There are a number of reasonably good TV documentaries out there. Many are available on Youtube by searching for "Britain's Roswell - History Channel". This one features all the main witnesses including Larry Warren. There is a "CNN Special Assignment Bentwaters UFO" special which was made just a few years after the incident and contains some very interesting comments.

Sci-Fi's "UFO Invasion at Rendlesham" and "Strange But True - Rendlesham Forest UFO Incident" are also interesting watches. Unsolved Mysteries "Bentwaters UFO" from the 90s is also worth a watch as it has a number of witnesses going on record for the first time on TV. Although it's hard to track down you might catch it on re-runs on TV. It's been shown (now sadly without Robert Stack's introduction) in Europe on CBS' satellite and cable channels very recently.

The BBC also produced a very hard to find "Britain's Closest Encounter" about 13 years ago. Not to be confused with the very similarly named "Britain's Closest Encounters" series.

But tell a random person "Rendelsham Forest", and they wont know what the heck you want.

Hollywood can change that! Not BBC, not CNN..... Hollywood! True, they have a knack for annihilating facts from a story. But if done correctly, it could be kinda promising!

reply to post by Ectoplasm8


Jim Penniston`s Rendlesham UFO binary account is the last bastion of
an attempt to hoodwink the public of a final Rendlesham UFO angle.

The X Files Season 1 episode 4 - Conduit - where Kevin, youngest
of the Morris family, who all encountered bizarre UFO phenomena.

Kevin Morris would later produce an alien binary code in this episode.

I doubt Jim Penniston had the veracity to create such a folly with
these alleged Rendlesham binary code events. Someone within a
documentary production company is promoting these falsehoods.

Its about time that UFOlogy grew up and realised that all UFO
publicity is not positive, much the opposite. UFO documentaries
and pro ET speaker curcuits appear to be the UFO charlatan lure.

Penniston`s 101010 may well be in dollars and not UFO binary code?

I am not agreeing or disagreeing regarding the Binary codes. I too find it odd no one ever mentioned them or challenged him on them.

I think though that the basic crust of this story is true and something happened. The BS and aftermath is up for scrutiny and very well should be to have any credibility at all.

But something happened that night/those nights. If Jim and John are making things up and I am not saying they are, but if they are then they should be discredited immediately as should I or Larry or anyone else that sensationalizes. I have said what I have said from day one and CHANGED NOTHING, ADDED NOTHING, DELETED NOTHING. It is what it is and there should be zero deviation.

But again I did not see the light house other than to say oh that thing over there and see it on the horizon. It did not fly over my head. pretty sure about that. Also quite glad I was in a drunken stuper for most of the nights of the big incident. Would not want to be Larry or Jim or John or anyone else connected with those nights. Glad I am but a side show of it all.

Thanks for all your posts so far in this thread Steven, I really appreciate that you have come forward here to share this all because they are of much value to me.

mirageman
Here's a link to the 1983 interview with Vince Thurkettle showing the lighthouse blinking behind him . Not sure where he was standing in relation to it though.

He (and I) were standing near the eastern edge of the forest, i.e. close to the supposed 'landing site' investigated by Halt, which was some 50–100 yards in from the forest edge. The farmhouse is just across the open field to the east.
Penniston later made up a second supposed landing site, near the western edge of the forest, where the lighthouse can't be seen from. That was the place he took the SciFi channel people to for their programme, and it came as a surprise to Halt as well as to Thurkettle. However, Penniston has since disowned this site and come up with a third site, back on the eastern side of the forest. But it's still not the site where he took the plaster casts, which was the one the local police were called out to see. No wonder everyone is confused.
www.ianridpath.com...
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Ian

reply to post by LaPlume


I had a dream with alien symbols, purple/violet glowing lines in the night sky, perhaps I should have written that down lol..

The coordinates as far as I remember point to some island near Britain, not China as you're saying

www.therendleshamforestincident.com...

The coordinates from this code (52.0942532N 13.131269W) point to a mythical island called Hy-Brasil.

The island is now submerged off the coast of Ireland.

www.therendleshamforestincident.com...

When discussing underwater lore and legends, Atlantis is an obvious subject of interest. However, the lost island of Hy-Brasil is just as intriguing and has more first-person accounts.


Hy-Brasil is also spelled Hy-Breasal, Hy-Brazil, Hy-Breasil, Brazir and related variations. It may be the reason that the South American country, Brazil, was so named. The central image on the Brazilian flag, a
circle with a channel across the center, is the symbol for Hy-Brasil on
early maps.



The name of Hy-Brasil may come from the Middle Ages term brazil, which seems to indicate a source of rare red dye. The dye may have acquired its name from the legendary island, or vice versa.



Or, the name Hy-Brasil, also called the Fortunate Island, may originate with the old Irish word, breas, meaning noble or fortunate.



In folklore, this island country takes its name from Breasal, the High King of the World, in Celtic history.



(He may or may not be related to Bresal Echarlam mac Echach Baethlaim, from the stories of Lugh at Tara. He was not St. Breasal, although pre-Christian folklore may be the foundation for that saint's legends.)



Hy-Brasil was noted on maps as early as 1325, when Genoese cartographer Dalorto placed the island west of Ireland. On successive sailing charts, it
appears southwest of Galway Bay.

spacevisitor
Thanks for all your posts so far in this thread Steven, I really appreciate that you have come forward here to share this all because they are of much value to me.

Me also....double thanks!