Rendlesham Forest…, A Christmas Story from 1980 - Can We ‘Let it Be’?

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear


Ham sandwiches', remote viewing and Andrew Pikes book , LOL.

I do have it Kev. What is interesting to note is Jim Pennistons side, they are extremely negative toward the book.

Happy reading!

a reply to: Baablacksheep

Of course they are negative about the book!

People without a background in science always snipe at people
who DO have a background in science.

People who are deeply entrenched in some religion or other nonsense
also snipe at people who expound another point of view.

I had thought that I might just leave UFOlogy behind.. as it's not
my field.

But things are forcing me back into the darkened, chaotic, 7th plane
of hell once more.

Those reports on the DAMNED BTUFO are getting my goat too.

The one that i interacted with also shape-changed;
it also had "old refrigerator type pipes" on it,
but not on the outside, but inside the "pit" at the
center of it.

On the one hand, the beam-powered drone thing sounds
very good.. i've got it on good authority that it's true..
(not from JV, but another source).

Yet these "BPD", also on very good authority can disperse
into orbs of light and fly away.

This whole BTUFO thing puts up one HELL of fight to
resolve.

And we can't explain away the BTUFO as mere hypnotic/
chemical drugging --- "the NSA had one in the basement
passage" from the book..

as civilians in the general region had seen them as well..
for years..

BPD sounds SO feasible.. but what about the BTUFO from
the 1800's and before?

I had never completely solved the BTUFO thing in my
mind, and now this book irritates the hell out of me
by putting me back into the fray.

Kev

This book:

Encounters with Star People

Is one of my top 5 favorite UFO books of all time.

In this book and the sequel, there are stories about native americans
coming across "spaceships".. even a BTUFO once I believe, and they
saunter up and sometimes ask the crew over for a meal.. or rescue
them from a cold storm.

But then, eventually, every single time, the "craft" break into orbs
of light and fly away. "Crew members do too".

I really recommend this book to anyone, who is open to this sort
of thing.. its a very homey book.. (especially for me.. a part
native).

Kev

Oh PS.. in the sequel book I believe, the local shaman says
that the original good spirits (the golden age of UFO spirits)
had left.. and had been replaced by the angry/evil spirits
(what we seem to have now).

Hardly scientific.. but I always keep that in mind..

Now.. if this is self-inflicted (our fault) or there really
ARE two factions of High Strangeness chasing after
each other.. that's hard to say.. that's if you go with the
good/evil thing at all.. which is a TWAP! It's not helpful.

But something has changed..

Maybe it's all the excessive EMF we put out now.. it's
made the "spirits" angry.

a reply to: mirageman

Just to follow up for Mirage and Kev.

Meditation increased the density Rostrum Kev

Chris Bledsoe - I can’t tell you if his encounter was real or not. I can tell you that MUFON presented him as someone who failed their lie detector tests in a documentary. MUFON say no. UAP group says yes. Are those two groups connected in some way?

As an aside I wonder in anyone involved in the RFI sufferered with heavy red blood cell sedimentation or problems with platet levels?

a reply to: ctj83

We'd have to get a civilian's medical records, if they got a really
good workup, and that's assuming they got high exposure
to "whatever" radiation hit them.

The military records are too locked down to dream of accessing.

Now.. even if we had medical records.. how does one differentiate
between man-made and natural plasma/EMF sources, when the
results could be nearly or entirely the same?

But would be great to have that information.. yes..

a reply to: ctj83

Meditation is self-hypnosis.

There are fancy forms of it.. exotic forms of it.. but it amounts to the same thing.

Love that Rostrum reference tho.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

What is most interesting of course is that Burroughs is the only participant of the UAP group of the RFI witnesses.

Others claimed medical problems afterwards, of course, of varying degrees. Some, like Halt, have never complained. MSgt. Ball seems to have been involved on more than one night but to my knowledge has gone silent since the early 1990s.

Burroughs however was exposed on two nights according to the current script. Yet nothing is clear cut in this case. Penniston has claimed that Burroughs sold his soul to the CIA. But if you believe his testimony (??) he was closer to whatever it was than anyone else for longer than anyone else.

Penniston supposedly wandered around a craft for 45 mins ( how long did it take to investigate?) in close proximity, he even claims he touched it. He did once claim he was suffering from hearing problems, (Ménière's disease) but nothing as so drastic as Burrough's shredded heart valve.

If we look at it with a degree of realism then Jimbo's story is one of man with his pants on fire who travels in slo-mo.

Everything about Penniston is slow. He is a sloth like human being. Everything he says about the case takes years to come out. Even the earth shattering binary codes. He has now infected Gary Osborn with the 'Sloth' virus because although Osborn was knocked unconscious about what Jim's binary revealed it has taken 8 years and counting to actually reveal it. He hasn't actually revealed it. Why not?

It goes even deeper. But I'll pause for now.. I I to let Jim Penniston catch up.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: AdamE

I would highly value if you ran with this idea and pursued it further.

I'm a humble country (failed) shaman and ex nuclear engineer.
Heavy on the Ex.

I'm not nearly as intelligent as I once was.. and in particular my
math has dive bombed, as I go severely senile.

Yes.. Maser is a good thought. Now.. if we (you) could pin down
the most optimal wavelengths for penetrating the atmosphere
at various elevations, up to LEO.. and the amount of power
it might take to transfer significant amounts to a small/light
drone after attenuation..

we might find a breadcrumb trail.

Kev

Hi KellyPrettyBear. This is a bit over my head, but maybe you can make sense of it.


Effect of Atmospheric Attenuation on Laser Communications for
Visible and Infrared Wavelengths
www.iasj.net...


Terahertz atmospheric attenuation and continuum effects
www.uml.edu...

Analysis and Evaluation of Optimum Wavelengths
for Free-Space Optical Transceivers
www.iasj.net...

One more thing to add.
Laser guide stars.
Apparently being used out of Kirtland AB around the late 70's and early 80's.
According to the following presentation by Ann Finkbeiner on The JASON Group, these Sodium Laser guide stars were not only used for spying, but for shooting down satellites.

@13:16 mark.....
The Jasons: The Secret History of Science's Postwar Elite Ann Finkbeiner
www.c-span.org.../the-jasons-secret-history-sciences-postwar-elite

I believe Greg Bishop also brings this up in his book Project Beta, though from memory, his description was more along the lines of using the Starfire Range system to actually control the satellites by having a worker in USSR sending them info on how the internals functioned on the Soviet satellites.
The could then send signals using the system to control or alter the satellite in some manner.

I still have an open mind as to what may have occurred and have also considered whether this type of system may have played some part?

a reply to: mirageman

Like JP much?

The thing about the AP book that is most problematic so far.. is that
he is convinced that BTUFO's have been around since at least the
1800's.. if not before.. and if you want to blow off those earlier
sightings.. then fine.. but then you have the (apparently) pretty
credible sightings from London to Suffolk, over a long period
of time too.

So.. "supposedly" this "Triangular UFO" lands in the woods between those two
bases..

Then all of a sudden, for this one "landing/event" only.. there is a firestorm
of evidence for this being a human test/drugs/hypnosis/EM fields rigged
into the fence.. all this stuff..

So great. Maybe that's true. Maybe it's not.

What about all the MORE credible sightings of BTUFO in the area.. some
before the USA ever rented those bases.

Now.. I SUPPOSE that the test may have been that the US Military figured
out how to attract a "real phenomenon" and to use that as a test.. but
doing so on nervous nuclear storage bases on foreign soil ...

BZZZT.

Wrong answer.

But it certainly seems like there may indeed have been a test..

Maybe the US C.I. wanted a "British Roswell", to help disinformation
about the American Roswell? That it wasn't just the USA cooking
the books on UFO's.. that "Craft are REAL --- Look --- it happened
in GB too!".

Only RFI didn't have much motion for a long time.. so that can't
be it.. if the Alphabet boys pull a stunt.. they want rapid
results..

The whole TEST THING almost doesn't work at all.. due to the
location of the test... the sensitivity of the bases.

Oh another thing that got me.. in the AP book.. why did the NSA
show Larry UFO movies while druging him, to convince him that
there were no UFO's?

It sounds like they were TRYING to convince him that there
were UFOs..

THE BEST WAY TO CONVINCE SOMEONE ABOUT UFO'S IS TO
DENY THEM of course.

I guess at midnight.. with no ham sandwich in sight.. if
AP's book is to be believed.. the USA wanted us to believe
in UFOs, on a sensitive nuclear base on foreign soil that
they didn't fully control... but then didn't care if the
psyop worked for a decade (whenever RFI heated up).

Thoughts?

a reply to: mirageman

Anyone want to comment upon the line in AP's book, where Larry
Warren said he was taken underground and interrogated by
Orientals? And supposedly someone else was too?

That damn AP book (damn good/damn annoying) has my head
spinning.

Now.. i'm not much for global conspiracies per se.. oh,
Agenda 21 is probably true in some form.. but I don't
prattle on about how the Jesuits or the Masons or
the Brotherhood of the Snake or whomever you
fancy is in charge of the world in some Deep World
State sort of way.

On the other hand, there was some sort of "mystical
explosion" on ATS a few years ago, that drove one of
our favorite writers mad.. and it happened after I
knew too much about a super secret family/cult/
deep world thing that involves a weird mix of asian &
gypsy people.. go figure.

That's why I joke about weird looking asian people
with hooked noses and an olive complexion.

It's no joke.. at least some of these unusual people
exist.. and they have interesting.. "abilities".

But let's leave that topic alone for now...

just got me thinking.. maybe there is a 3rd
party actor in all of this? Some group who
was experimenting on BOTH the Americans
and the British.

Everyone makes the Americans to be the big
bad conspiracy masters..

I wonder if there is any evidence that they
were being played too?

a reply to: mirageman

Everything about Penniston is slow. He is a sloth like human being. Everything he says about the case takes years to come out. Even the earth shattering binary codes. He has now infected Gary Osborn with the 'Sloth' virus because although Osborn was knocked unconscious about what Jim's binary revealed it has taken 8 years and counting to actually reveal it. He hasn't actually revealed it. Why not?

Well I guess you can see an explanation as to why the book is slow going. It also covers their dislike of the Andrew Pike book.

www.facebook.com...

I hope that "Sloth" virus is not contagious !!

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Here is something re Larry which seems to be in the creation stage if you have not seen this already.

www.youtube.com...

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Like JP much?

It's nothing personal. But his story would not stand up in a court of law. I don't think I need to repeat it all again.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Anyone want to comment upon the line in AP's book, where Larry Warren said he was taken underground and interrogated by Orientals? And supposedly someone else was too?

You have to remember that much of the AP book was written up between 1980 and early 2000s. Much has transpired in Rendlesham World since then.

Warren's story has been discredited. You do know his book "Left at Eastgate" has been withdrawn from print by the publishers? Also his co-author Peter Robbins has distanced himself from what he now sees as a fabrication by Warren.

As for his interrogation. Well he places himself in Germany in his book leaving on the 27th Dec 1980 as he was on duty on the evening of the 28th. Which means he couldn't have been out there on the third night (27th/28th) as he stated in his book.Which probably means he wasn't interrogated.

Left At East Gate excerpt

The day before Christmas, I left for Germany with my friend Mark. We had met two German girls in London the previous week at Le Beat Route, a club on Greek Street. We had gotten along well at the time, and the girls had invited us to spend the holiday with them and their families near Frankfurt. We had a great time, despite a severe language barrier.

However, I think the girls lost interest in Mark and me on the second night. We just sat around and stared at their parents and they at us, while the girls went out with their German boyfriends. On or about 27 December, we flew back to RAF Mildenhall to begin our shift the next night.

The underground story he admitted that he made it all up to to Dot Street. There is no underground to Bentwaters or Woodbridge bases. Although there are utility tunnels under the facilities.

There is plenty of evidence elsewhere about Warren's misdeeds. But it's not all relevant to the thread. If you want to know more send me a PM.

a reply to: mirageman

None of this however prevented Peter Robbins selling copies of the book at a conference nor signing the books.....

a reply to: mirageman

Oh I know.

That changes nothing about my interest in "orientals".

Confabulation or outright lie (how did he pass a lie detector, if he really
took one? Some pathological liars can pass lie detectors I guess.. Trump
could.) .. some of the most impressive stuff I've ever seen has this weird
group of weird oriental/gypsies involved..

Maybe they are mind control experts..

Kev

a reply to: mirageman

You don't.

It would seem that you keep a list of "lying quotient" for the entire cast
of characters.. and nobody get a good score for honesty.

What does this say to you? That all humans are clumsy liars if given the chance
to get 5 minutes of fame and a couple bucks?

Was everyone dosed with Pentathol and beaten with hoses while being forced
to watch cheesey UFO reels?

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: AdamE

I would highly value if you ran with this idea and pursued it further.

I'm a humble country (failed) shaman and ex nuclear engineer.
Heavy on the Ex.

I'm not nearly as intelligent as I once was.. and in particular my
math has dive bombed, as I go severely senile.

Yes.. Maser is a good thought. Now.. if we (you) could pin down
the most optimal wavelengths for penetrating the atmosphere
at various elevations, up to LEO.. and the amount of power
it might take to transfer significant amounts to a small/light
drone after attenuation..

we might find a breadcrumb trail.

Kev

Hi.

I have followed the lead on MASER's and may have found a link between this and possible mind control to add to the mix..

"Synthetic Telepathy"
In 1975, researcher A. W. Guy stated that "one of the most widely observed and accepted
biologic effects of low average power electromagnetic energy is the auditory sensation evoked in
man when exposed to pulsed microwaves."
He concluded that at frequencies where the auditory effect can be easily detected, microwaves
penetrate deep into the tissues of the head, causing rapid thermal expansion (at the microscopic
level only) that produces strains in the brain tissue.
An acoustic stress wave is then conducted through the skull to the cochlea, and from there, it
proceeds in the same manner as in conventional hearing. It is obvious that receiver-less radio
has not been adequately publicized or explained because of national security concerns.
Today, the ability to remotely transmit microwave voices inside a target's head is known inside
the Pentagon as "Synthetic Telepathy." According to Dr. Robert Becker, "Synthetic Telepathy
has applications in covert operations designed to drive a target crazy with voices or deliver
undetected instructions to a programmed assassin."
This technology may have contributed to the deaths of 25 defense scientists variously employed
by Marconi Underwater and Defense Systems, Easems and GEC. Most of the scientists worked
on highly sensitive electronic warfare programs for NATO, including the Strategic Defense
Initiative. It is claimed that directed energy weapons might have been used to literally drive
these men to suicide and 291accidents.
www.earthpulse.com...


The latest advance in electronic mind control were discussed in my previous articles in Nexus, but for those who missed the ESP of Espionage, this equipment uses special types of microwave beams called MASERs. These are the laser equivalent of microwave beams.

These MASER beams have been used to develop something called synthetic telepathy. This is the ability to read people's minds from a distance. Electronic scanning af victims' brains by monitoring the electromagnetic (EM) emissions from peoples brains and using amongst other things, the brain waves (as measured on an EEG), to read the victim's subvocalised thoughts.

Head of US Special Forces Major-General Schaknow, talked about synthetic telepathy during a lecture in July 1992 at Fort Bragg North Carolina. The US military is hard at work perfecting synthetic telepathy. In synthetic telepathy, the weak electromagnetic signals in the brain associated with subvocalised thought, are connected to a computer by use of electrodes, or in more advanced mechanisms by MASER beams. Sophisticated computer systems have learnt to read the subvocalised thoughts in the brain, by associating a specific brain exciting potential, with a particular word. In this case, only one specific language can be decoded, as each word in a language has a specific set of frequencies that must be discovered. Once the donkey work of finding the specific frequencies for all the words in a language has been programmed into a super computer, which can carry out massive parallel processing, fuzzy logic software is used to match this with real world excitation potential associated with subvocalised thought obtained from thousands of abductees, who are used to calibrate the synthetic telepathy devices.

GCHQ Cheltenham, the intelligence gathering arm of MI5, possess the advanced computer systems needed for synthetic telepathy. Synthetic telepathy detects the I5Hz, 5 milliwatt auditory cortex brain emissions, that are linked with the excitation potentials in the brain associated with subvocalised thought. New technology, involving low frequency microwaves and RF, has enabled devices to be built which can scan through walls and look inside peoples' bodies like X-rays. This enables security personnel to see a target in his own home and to track him throughout the house. Further to this, being able to see inside the victim's head, would allow computer controlled targeting of specific brain centres in the victim's brain, even when he was walking around the house. A scan of the specific brain emissions given off when the victim subvocalises using an array AF pulsed frequency MASERs fired at the specific brain centres of the subversive, while he resides in his own home, enables the victim to be scanned. By finding an array of ELF pulse modulated MASERs, which scan up and down the window of frequency emissions given off by subvocalised thought, interference effects can be measured in the MASER beam. The victim's ELF brain emissions will interact constructively or destructively with the pulse frequency MASER carrying ELF in the ELF window associated with subvocalised thoughts.

If we fire an array of pulsed MASERs, which are out of phase with each other, extraneous noise can be filtered out in the digital domain. Since the converging ELF modulated MASERs are being effected by the low level emissions in the victim's brain, the shifts in the ELF pulsed signal going into the subversive's brain can be detected.

A simplistic version of this would be the LASER beam shone at the window of the person that is being bugged. The vibrations in the window cause modulations in the LASER that can be converted into electrical signals and hence into sound. In this way the subvocalised thoughts in the victim's brain can be read. Having already built up a library of excitation potential signatures for differing words and groupings of words, a sophisticated computer can begin to decode the emission signatures into word streams. In this way the subvocalised thoughts of the victim can be stored in the memory of a supercomputer and analysed to give a read out of what the target is thinking.

Using ELF audiograms carried by a single pulse-modulated Maser, subvocalised thoughts can be placed in the victim's brain. This enables UK synthetic telepathy operators the ability to enter into conversations with the subversive to drive him mad or to bring up key words which will get the victim thinking about the information they wish to find. Visual cortex excitation potentials can also be broadcast into the victim's brain so that illusory images can be projected into their brain to drive them mad, or to programme them to commit suicide.
www.whale.to...

Possible MASER use? continued....

Below is a statement from Dr. Eldon Byrd, U.S. psychotronic
researcher who funded Dr. Adey's work with the LIDA machine:

"The LIDA machine was made in the 1950's by the Soviets. The CIA
purchased one through a Canadian front for Dr. Ross Adey, but
didn't give him any funds to evaluate it.

"I provided those funds from my project in 1981, and he determined
that the LIDA would put rabbits into a stupor at a distance and
make cats go into REM.

"The Soviets included a picture with the device that showed an
entire auditorium full of people asleep with the LIDA on the
podium. The LIDA put out an electric field, a magnetic field,
light, heat, and sound (of course light and heat are
electromagnetic waves, but at a much higher frequency than the low
frequencies of the electric and magnetic fields mentioned above).

"The purported purpose of the LIDA was for medical treatments;
however, the North Koreans used it as a brain washing device
during the Korean War. The big question is: what did they do
with the technology? It could have been improved and/or made
smaller. It is unlikely that they abandoned something that
worked.

"Direct communication with Ross Adey: While he was testing the
LIDA 4, an electrician was walking by and asked him where he got
the "North Korean brain washing machine". Ross told him that is
was a Russian medical device.

"The guy said he had been brain-washed by a device like that when
he was in a POW camp. They placed the vertical plates alongside
his head and read questions and answers to him. He said he felt
like he was in a dream. Later when the Red Cross came and asked
questions, he responded with what had been read to him while under
the influence of the device. He said he seemed to have no control
over the answers.

"The LIDA is PATENTED IN THE US. Why? They are not sold in the
US--the only one I know that exists is the one that was at Loma
Linda Medical Center where Adey used to work. Eldon"

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

It would seem that you keep a list of "lying quotient" for the entire cast of characters.. and nobody get a good score for honesty.

Not quite but that's actually a good idea! Although it's more subtle than that. Some of the main characters are economic with the truth rather than outright liars. But I like that. I might come up with POF (Pants On Fire) ratings for everyone involved with the case.

Of course memory is fallible and people make mistakes. But when you throw it all together there are too many 'lies' and 'untruths'.

What does this say to you? That all humans are clumsy liars if given the chance to get 5 minutes of fame and a couple bucks?

Maybe. Although not necessarily. People will do things based on their incentive to do it. Five mins of fame and £2 is not an incentive to everyone. But as the stakes get higher so are the incentives. We are not just dealing with wealth/fame. Fear may be an incentive in this case. Even Derren Brown's methods may be a part of it too.

Was everyone dosed with Pentothal and beaten with hoses while being forced to watch cheesey UFO reels?

For the record Penniston, Warren and Cookie have all claimed to have been drugged during 'debriefings'. Only Warren watched 'Plan 9 From Outers Space'. However we would need to compare that against their POF index to establish how reliable the story may be.

The tricky thing is that others may have been 'drugged' and hypnotised and don't remember.