Rendlesham Forest…, A Christmas Story from 1980 - Can We ‘Let it Be’?

More Fraud and Fakery

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Sacha returned with more information pertaining to Larry Warren and his A10 photo and also questioned his discharge papers. It seems Larry produced a DD-256 but no DD-214 paper (which is issued to those leaving the USAF after active duty). Eventually greater doubts were placed on most of his documents. They all appear to have been tampered with.

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Ian Ridpath came back still doubting the authenticity of John Burroughs’s injuries during the RFI and requesting to see the documentation. Ignoring the statements from John, Kit Green etc.

It was then pointed out the legal position, even for any documents that were not classified, means medical records are exempt from FOI. A statement from John’s lawyer and a letter to President Obama was presented.

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It was also pointed out that Burroughs injuries were either sustained at Rendlesham during his visit off base in December 1980 or they weren't. If they were then we have a genuine mystery that was not caused by a lighthouse or the celestial events in the skies over Suffolk at the time.

If they weren't - then the VA, Kit Green, Burroughs and others involved in the case are all involved in covering something else up. Something obviously more important to keep secret than a UFO story.

Ian Ridpath did not comment or return to the thread.

Return of the Binary Codes

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The Penniston binary code entered discussion once again. The possibility that binary code was transmitted (via 1980s technology) to Jim Penniston (and possibly John Burroughs) and came from an IBM 8100 (or any of the other computers around the time that seemed to have a model number of 8100).....

Project Humpty Dumpty?



The man in charge of the Bases at the time Gen. Gordon Williams gives a very bizarre explanation to James Fox about the Halt memo “...the cat got out the bag and he couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together again and it lived its own life.”

There seems to be some rhyme and reason to this briefest of statements and we may well have to come back to it if the cat is back in the bag.

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Then Colonel Halt appeared on a radio show to continue his efforts to totally discredit Larry Warren. He confirmed his (Larry's) military career from recruitment to end was a mere 8 months.

...He was thrown out with a coded discharge. Unsuitable, undesirable for the convenience of the government. How about that? He was also on the chain gang which was a group that Mal Zickler had, which I didn't approve of, which was the druggies, ...that were working and picking up rocks by the side of the road. The OSI or somebody got involved to clean things up, gave him a flunky job in supplies so they could get rid of and give him a discharge...and hope it would all go away.

They made a mistake.

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The VA Claims

There was then a discussion of how Penniston and Burroughs had used the same lawyer Pat Frascogna to lodge claims with the VA.

In the Citizen’s Hearing for Disclosure in 2013.

Barely. We have addressed a few issues, like with the inner ear problems and balance issues. See, one of the problems was, initially we were supposed to treat it as top secret, in which we did, I follow orders. Then I had to go to the base hospital because I was having problems walking, within 3 weeks after the incident......

I mean it was obvious that it [UFO] was radioactive out there that night, because it was so warm to touch. That was probably the worst decision I made, touching that.

Despite a breakthrough for Burroughs after lobbying by various Congressmen and ex-Senators (including a letter to then President Obama) the status of Penniston’s claims seem to be unknown.



It was also as this point that first mentions of Burroughs being silenced over certain issues as a result of his successful claim surfaced. Penniston’s suggestions that Burroughs had been bought off by certain elements of the United States three letter agencies.

A fair amount of discussion revolved around the witness testimony and how Penniston’s early statements are supportive of all the other witnesses.

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Hypnosis

Some interesting questions were posed about the hypnosis sessions conducted on John Burroughs.

*Which TV executive paid for Burrough's hypnosis?
*Why did he have no intention of airing it in UFO Coverup Live?
*What was this executive told in the middle of a lake that scared him?
*Why was UFO Live! produced by a PR Agency who sometimes worked for the 'agency'?
*Why was Robert Emenegger of 'UFOS: Past, Present and Future' involved in this PR Agency?
*Why was one guest connected to the production team at Disney - 'Alien Encounters?'

Penniston also underwent 'regression hypnosis' in September 1994, in which he revealed a binary code. Linda Moulton Howe (another character lurking long in the background of this case) included this session in a book ‘Glimpses of Other Realities’

I’d like to come back to this at some point as there are people involved here that are not necessarily seen as playing a part in the RFI.

The Lighthouse again

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A rather sober discussion of what was seen on both the first and third nights was conducted. Of course the Orfordness lighthouse came up. I think a lot of students of the case agree that the lighthouse did confuse the men at some points. But there are some who think that, even with the addition of the celestial events in the skies over Suffolk, this is not the complete explanation for the incident.

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Things moved on to the veracity of Penniston’s story of encountering a ‘craft of unknown origin’.So he appeared to write Ed Cabansag’s story into the background. Claiming he acted as a ‘radio relay’ back at the jeep. When in fact the statements from the time clearly place MSgt. Chandler as ‘the relay’ near the jeep in contact with Penniston. Cabansag was part of the group of 3 men in the woods.

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Specs, Lies? And Binary Code the e-book

Still available to download for free : Specs, Lies? and Binary Codes

I had a lot of fun with this one. I’d already said here, last year I’d be releasing this e-book on April 1st 2017. A number of you underwent regression hypnosis and were then also in on the joke. Some of you simply remembered without a shot of sodium chloride .

One particular member seemed to be having a particular problem with me ‘releasing’ a free e-book and focusing it on the problems of a particular witness story. They showed deep concern over it. In fact they even became openly hostile to a different member who had been previously banned. Seemingly believing they were behind it. 


Of course discussion has moved on since April. But we’ll catch up with that perhaps in another summary in 5 or 6 months time. If this thread is still going?

a reply to: mirageman

Excellent MM, and there is still much to go "back" over here and there...

originally posted by: Springer
a reply to: mirageman

This is interesting...

The DD 256 is for reserve members discharge only. You can't get a DD 214 unless you were full active duty. So, that means the person who has a DD 256 was only in the Air Force (or whatever service) Reserves, not the full active duty Air Force. Further, anyone who was in the reserves but was later "Activated" would receive a DD 214 and all the benefits that come with it, not a DD 256.

That's a pretty big distinction, the reserve folks are also known as "weekend warriors" since they only train one weekend a month with an additional two weeks per year in most cases.

I also find it curious that a reserve member would have been sent to England with all the USAF installations here at home they normally train at. I wasn't in the Air Force (I was U.S.C.G.) so I don't know all the ins and outs but I've never heard of low rank Enlisted (E3 or E4) Reserve personnel being sent over seas for their two weeks training. That certainly does not mean it never happened, it just means I've never heard of it.

ETA: I'd also add that image of the DD 256 you have in your post is incorrect, it shouldn't read "regular air force", I've never seen that before either.

Me neither. I just checked my own Honorable discharge certificate. I was active duty army. All it says is "Discharge from the United states Army". Even though I was in the reserves at the time of discharge, I had spent the first four years of my service on active duty, thus, I have a DD 214.

The Air Force is not that dissimilar, although I don't know much about their reserves. But my best friend is ex Air Force, and his certificate just says "United States Air Force"

My father, who got an undesirable discharge during the nam years for going awol, had a DD214 despite the fact he only spent 5 months in service, and the rest of the time in the brig. He even has an "undesireable discharge" certificate.

I read Left at East Gate years ago, and even then I felt the whole story smacked of BS, especially when it ran contrary to all known evidence about the event. I never put much stock in Larry Warren's tales. He got too fantastic and ridiculous to believe, and his credibility sucked whenever examined closely.

Mirageman, I believe you were invited to appear on John Burroughs show and you agreed to do so.
When is this going to happen ?

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Err no I wasn't.
So no I couldn't have been.
Therefore it's not going to happen.

a reply to: Skadi_the_Evil_Elf

Sadly the evidence Larry presented himself is now working against him. Although it was not me who uncovered the majority of this it was Sacha.

See: sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.co.uk...

a reply to: mirageman

He is directing people to read your "summary" and mentions he invited
Mirageman onto his show, you can read this on his Facebook page.

It might be possible John Burroughs is meaning Mark Pilkington / Miragemen.

a reply to: Baablacksheep

I have no idea at all what may be going on there.

I will refer you to this : www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: mirageman

Thanks MM, am very much aware you are NOT Mark Pilkington.

However this is what John Burroughs stated.

I know ATS is full of skeptics,spooks and debunker but this truly is a very interesting thread to follow. If nothing else take the time to read the summary its worth your while. I reached out to mirageman about coming on Phenomenon radio and talking about his book and the Rendlesham incident. He replied back saying he would but when I gave him the date of the show he never responded back. Kinda strange if you ask me...

Of course as said on the above post the Mirageman John reached out to, could be Mark Pilkington.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Skadi_the_Evil_Elf

Sadly the evidence Larry presented himself is now working against him. Although it was not me who uncovered the majority of this it was Sacha.

See: sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.co.uk...

Wow. I never knew Warren was that unhinged. I never paid attention to him after I read Left at East Gate, because I thought the whole thing was pretty unbelievable, and felt he was killing credibility for a case that otherwise, was very interesting.

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In the spirit of fairness. Here is one of Larry's more recent interviews. There are apparently 2 follow ups.



I would say that once I was around 10 mins or so in I found it difficult to actually follow what he's trying to articulate.

But there it is.

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The whole thing was hard to follow. Yeah, he didn't do himself any favors there. So much deflection and talking everywhere, trademarks of a B.Ser.

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Don’t know if it has been posted before, but here’s a very recent and interesting interview with John Burroughs:


He tells about the close encounter that he and Adrian Bustinza had on Halt’s night:

29:08 “He [Halt] has admitted now that we [Adrian and John] were involved with his party and went forward.”

35:55 “He [Adrian] said on the radio show that he saw me go into it [the UFO] and he saw me like I phased out and was gone.”

49:25 “Adrian called it lights until I went into it, then he said it exploded into something that looked kind of triangular with blue lights in it.”

50:09 “We were running, Adrian went down to the ground – he said he felt like something pushed him down and held him down – and he described that he saw me go into it, I phased out like I was gone or almost gone and then when this was going on it exploded then I reappeared and whatever it was, was gone. All I remember is getting close to it and then it was gone.”

He describes a similar encounter on the first night, with Jim Penniston:

1:33:30 “Penniston has said that he saw that I disappeared also. He has talked about that some before.”

From 37:00 - 47:00 John describes the whole process to get treatment for his health issues.

From 1:02:00 - 1:10:00 John gives his opinion on Jim’s notebook and the binary codes:

1:07:12: “I’m a sceptic on this simply because of all the discrepancies and the way it has been handled”

a reply to: Guest101

I don't think it has been posted. Thanks for the added information as well.

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a reply to: mirageman

MM, I just came across the Ian Ridpath website info, which I got from reading a book called "Aliens: the search for Et's." The author is talking about 5 big ufo cases over the years. He does not offer his take, only info about what happened. I bookmarked his website so I can go back when I have more time to look it over. I am curious what your take is on his opinion if he does offer one. Thanks. Take care.

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I am not 100% sure this is answering your question data. But Ian has posted in this very thread quite often. You can view all his posts together here : link

His theory on Rendlesham is that the mix of celestial events, a satellite burn up and bright shooting stars plus the light from the Orfordness lighthouse all contributed in confusing the airmen into believing they were seeing one of more UFOs. It is well thought out and if nothing else happened then this is probably the best explanation for what happened.

I would say that I agree that the lighthouse definitely played a part in confusing the men. Jim Penniston's diary is unreliable evidence and that the Halt tape does contain a piece of dialogue where the flashing of the Orfordness lighthouse matches the descriptions given on the tape exactly.



Where perhaps I don't agree with Ian is that this is all it was.

A claim for injuries in the line of duty was made by John Burroughs to the US Veteran's Association. The fact that US Senators and even President Obama were made aware of his claims and his medical records remain classified to this day all make me believe something more was going on. What that was, in my opinion, was something more to do with the Cold War than aliens or time travellers.

a reply to: mirageman

thanks for your input.

originally posted by: ctj83
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Just completed the book Phenomena and found it interesting. Some things in it make me wonder if UAP are related to Remote Viewing etc. Anyway, that's just hypothetical...

The part about Dr. Green is compelling research is still going on, but all is still way open on what they did find. I find this intruiging since this kind of proves they still don't know (completely) what they are dealing with. Linked to RFI injuries (if true they are in this program), are they that much behind given they are still researching the effects of cold war weapons?

Project Condign states I believe Russia is further in plasma research, but still?

Correct me if I'm wrong here (insights more than welcome) since a few of you have more in depth knowledge on the subject.