Rendlesham Forest…, A Christmas Story from 1980 - Can We ‘Let it Be’?

Just throwing it into the wild here, but could it have been a Tupolev Tu-141 Russian spy drone?

a reply to: zeroPointOneQ

Nice idea but I don't think it fits the description.
Looks like a plane to me.
Although, we know they've lied about a lot a stuff so far, how do we rely on anything that's been said in that regard.
If it was a hush up then I'd expect a false description.
So....maybe...???

a reply to: mirageman

I don't agree with this Theory, buy according to Boeche's interview with Randles, Dr Alan Bond believed both Cash Landrum and RFI were related to that space based nuclear reactor I posted a few weeks ago.

Randles has never said Bond told her this herself though, just that he told her about the discredited satellite theory.

I see the theory vortex is spinning again …

Imagine bumping into an ‘alien’ and much more advanced civilization. A routine visit for the ‘others’ but an earth-shattering experience for the ones being visited. Somehow you have to fit that encounter into a new frame of reference. And in this new reference frame, you may give this encounter much more significance than it really had for the visitors:

One of the side effects when primitive societies came in contact with modern western technology were the so-called ‘cargo cults’.

As the agents of the Australian Government penetrate into ever more remote mountain valleys, they find these backwaters of antiquity already deeply disturbed by contact with the ideas and artifacts of European civilization.

Though their technologies were based largely upon stone and wood, these peoples had highly developed cultures, as measured by the standards of maritime and agricultural ingenuity, the complexity of their varied social organizations and the elaboration of religious belief and ritual.

They were nonetheless ill prepared for the shock of the encounter with the Whites, a people so radically different from themselves and so infinitely more powerful.

For "cargo" has long flowed along the indigenous channels of communication from the seacoast into the wilderness. With it has traveled the frightening knowledge of the white man's magical power.

Patrols of the Australian Government venturing into the "uncontrolled" central highlands of New Guinea in 1946 found the primitive people there swept up in a wave of religious excitement. Prophecy was being fulfilled: The arrival of the Whites was the sign that the end of the world was at hand.

This bizarre episode is by no means the single event of its kind in the murky history of the collision of European civilization with the indigenous cultures of the southwest Pacific.

Source

The ‘binary cargo cult’?

a reply to: Guest101

Coincidentally I'm reading Jim Marrs Alien Agenda and I've just put it down at the chapter where he talks about cargo cults.
Fake runways and wooden radios and planes.
Must be quite a sight.
One theory is as good as any other.

I believe they have a sculpture in the woods depicting the alleged craft.

Has anyone been found giving offerings or praise to the sculpture?
That would be something to see!

a reply to: infomaniachousewife

If it is Larry Warren's intention to commit fraud (i.e. it is him and another is not acting in his stead), then he risks undermining everything he has done to date, and his integrity as 'whistleblower' of this event. Over and above this though, IMO making threats such as those purported is unacceptable. Even if he feels backed into a corner, I think that behaviour is unacceptable. Some people must reflect on their behaviour and comments, and row back from whatever channel they've chosen to sail down, even if they feel the currents are strong.

I have long admired Larry, invested in him and given him benefit of the doubt that he was involved (or was in lieu of Bustinza). There's enough to cross-reference with the testimony from Bustinza and Battram (i.e. the yellow mist), there's some interesting analysis done by Robbins on the field soil, and it's not a stretch to think that as part of D-flight he would be involved, shoulder-to-shoulder, with other men in the incident on the same night.

But questions naturally arise if he is 'at it' as portrayed. Did Left at East Gate represent a completely genuine and honest account of his role in the event? Has he manipulated other photos, forged documents, and/or fabricated evidence? Guest101 recently looked at the letter sent to his mother and raised some concerns about its P.S.

a reply to: Defragmentor

Its a good question.
I can perfectly understand the desire to be seen as part of a "scene" as it were.
I've worked with a few so called famous people and played a couple of big gigs as DJ and we all know people on the fringe who really want to be seen to be involved somehow.

Is he trying to insinuate himself into the scene and trying to be associated with rock n roll history?
Maybe.

The guitar thing certainly smells of fish and there's large sums of money involved.
Things do tend to get unscrupulous in that situation.

Does that reflect badly on the UFO side of things?
Being a whistleblower hardly looks good on your CV and isn't likely to endear him with prospective employers. Desperate for cash?
Maybe.

Babies and bathwater again.
Tread carefully.

I recorded the Jaime Havican Show on Sunday the 26th. These are the notes I made.

John says the base was not on alert, security was on normal rotation and only the routine number of planes forward deployed to Germany.

After the first incident on the morning of the 26th John noticed his digital watch was 45 minutes slow. Jim said his watch was also behind 45 minutes. Base control was unable to reach them by radio for 45 minutes.

While with the Halt party the third night he and Halt saw a light in the direction of the weapon storage area. The man in the weapon area tower said he only saw a light out at the edge of the base perimeter.

According to John when close to the object memory and perceptions became affected.

He goes on to mention Halt has changed or walked back many of his statements about who was there including the dates.

John's health records are still classified and have not been released. He speculates this may be due to the present or potential weaponization of this occurrence.

John did say he had problems with the binary code coming out thirty years latter and some of Jim's interviews. However he has never said it was impossible.

a reply to: Defragmentor

Unfortunately he has a lot of memorabilia he alleges is genuine but I have researched his past failed sales and many other areas. If he manages to write himself into the Beatles story, he can authenticate absolutely anything himself.

As for his testimony, he has over the years admitted to several people he absorbed Bustinzas account because he thought it was important. However, upon listening to Adrians latest radio show their accounts do not tally and Adrian said various things that were vagaries but essentially said it was Jonn B and Himself that had to live through that and there are brothers who didn't live it yet made it their own. I have other reasons to know he wasn't on base but I cannot prove that just now. I do recommend you listen to John Burroughs and Ronnie D tonight. Many more lies and deceits will be revealed.

I do not understand why a person cannot be challenged on what they have said. He has said my words are a threat, I am the most dangerous woman he has ever known but is obviously not threatened by me because he promised to manga jump of stage and put my windpipe through my spine and end my life. For asking why Adrians statement does not support Warrens? A tad extreme. the words he chooses to convey his hatred say more than just their defined meanings.

I take heat all the time for my opinion on RFI.. I am not stupid enough to want to convince anyone, they will like it or not. Whenever it comes to this subject people will always pick the 'thing' that suits their mind set the most. If your data stands, there is nothing to be concerned about right?

Tonight on Phenomenon Radio at KGRA John and Linda host Ronnie Dugdale and Brenda Butler.

Independent paranormal investigator Brenda Butler and colleague Ronnie Dugdale reveal the truth of where reporters Keith Beabey and Bob Smith got the information for their story that broke in the News Of The World on October 2nd 1983 with the headline “UFO LANDS IN SUFFOLK AND THAT’S OFFICIAL” .Using information taken from Brenda Butler , Dot Street and Jenny Randles archives we set the record straight for once and for all. Don’t miss this show .There will be some surprises along the way. The facts laid bare. Just how much did the British team receive from the News of the World and for what? Who gave the News of the World the story that Larry Warren claims was distorted beyond belief. Tune in this Thursday 30th June ( tehnically Friday 1 am if your in the U.K ) , DO NOT MISS THIS ONE! 8p.m. Eastern 1 a.m GMT

a reply to: Tulpa

I understand your point, yes that could be case but there is such an overwhelming number of failed sales and refunds. The one thing that was a punch in between the eyes, i had to laugh at myself actually.. He said he was awoken by a loud bang around 4 am, check out the time zones and you will see that he was awoken by a loud bang at the moment John lennon was shot. Likely?!? I remember some toing and froing with J B Alexander over that because I stated I thought it was non lethal weapons tech!! Hilarious. Obviously we see what we want to see... In this case i didn't want to see all this. What people seem to have forgotten is that we were friends for nine years, i believed him, I believed in him. We put a roof over his head, disrupted our family to accommodate him and look how quickly he turned... listen to the shows especially in the first few months of 2015 when he sang my praises endlessly, now he calls me a rat, a troll etc. No remorse, no regret. For years he has said only good things about me, now they are all bad, both versions can't be the truth so was he lying then or is he lying now?

This is a reflection of his integrity, his behavioural patterns. When there are so many question marks over so many different things can any of them be trusted? Can HE be trusted?

a reply to: Tulpa

Removed a double post.

a reply to: infomaniachousewife

I'm certainly not inviting him around to the castle for tea and sandwiches anytime soon.
Personality issues are a bit of a minefield and I admit I've only ever read his book and what others have written.

I suppose it doesn't look good in terms of integrity, as you say, and it should raise more than a few questions.

I'm sorry to hear you've had threats. That is unacceptable behaviour.

a reply to: infomaniachousewife

Hi there,

Thanks for joining us. I'm sure you've noticed that ATS is properly moderated by now. So best to keep it relevant and factual!
It's very sad how the 'whistleblower' seems to have descended into this. I once thought Larry was telling it like it was when I heard him speak. I still think he was involved somewhere along the way but has perhaps overplayed his hand for so long he doesn't know what's the truth any more.

It was noticeable when he was on John's show with Adrian that he was uncomfortable. At times even trying to steer away from what was being discussed as Larry's role in the incident seemed to be getting further and further diminished. I've also noticed that he has a terrible habit of digressing in mid-sentence when he speaks now. Far too many times that he sometimes becomes incoherent. Perhaps that is a sign of mental deterioration as well? But I am no doctor.

All this does bring about a huge question of integrity. How much that puts Larry's story in doubt I don't know. But it seems that he may have also tampered with the letter he supposedly 'sent home to mom' back in 1981.

Guest101 uncovered it. And fortunately we could grab a high def screenshot of it from the video.



The bit in brackets added on at the bottom seems to be in a different handwriting.

The suspicion was that it was added much later.

...... I do recommend you listen to John Burroughs and Ronnie D tonight. Many more lies and deceits will be revealed.

Well I'd love to. But listening at 1am on a school night is out of the question. Let's hope we can track down a copy somewhere

a reply to: mirageman

Hi

I absolutely believed him. I have fought his corner many many times. We have had some laughs and adventures and I was absolutely distraught when I realised a few things. He was practically family. He stayed with us because that's how I felt about him. This has been extremely distressing at times but I will not lie or hide a truth especially one of this magnitude. I make a lot of noise and all of it is about how witnesses to unknown, unfathomable occurrences. It doesn't matter if what we are seeing is terrestrial secret projects if that isn't how we perceive an event in the moment. I myself was witness to something I still can't process almost 20 years on. We were a group of four adults and two young children. It absolutely changed our lives and I have spent the past ten years trying to figure out how that thing stayed in the air without an engine or any noise whatsoever. I now know but that knowledge does not take away the trauma and it never will. He told me a few things before he moved out, all of them completely contradictory to anything he had said to date. A complete rewrite. I won't cover them here because I cannot prove they are factual but I have covered it all in my blog.

My main concern about that letter is that he does not mention himself being involved, just some guys. when I asked him about that he said that he was a dumb kid and knew they read the mail so he didn't talk about it, but in the next breath he wants me convinced he was a trained killer and far from a dumb kid. He calls himself a vet but was in the AF for 134 days including all of his training just as an example of exaggeration. As an example of no sense, he says Edward snowden is a traitor but he is a whistle blower, which isn't actually true. He didn't get the memo and he didn't get the tape out either, he was handed that in Japan. When he found out Brenda, Jenny and Dot had the memo he went to the news of the world and gave an interview which he now denies doing!

As for his trailing off.. He did that to me several times while I was trying to find out about when he and Adrian were debriefed. something had always bothered me about it. I kept bringing him back on point, in the end he admitted to me that didn't happen to him. Make of that what you will.

originally posted by: Springer
a reply to: mirageman

They are both banned from ATS, enough...

sigh...

I've thoroughly enjoyed this thread MM (well right up until those two tried to turn into a facebook squabble at least) and it won't be shut down.

A few of us did try to warn them both what was expected of members on ATS.

As you say........sigh.

a reply to: infomaniachousewife

It makes me wonder what Peter (his co-author) thinks about this all privately. He can't be unaware of it. Again I don't know Peter personally but he does seem to be a fairly decent bloke and highly articulate.

However this thread is about the whole incident itself and not one person. I don't know if you have just dropped by for today? Or maybe want to carry on the debate about the whole incident with us.

I think we've got to a point where JIm Penniston's post 1993 stories and Larry's are in a lot of doubt. Colonel Halt appears to be playing a game of some sorts and is possibly holding back on telling everything he knows. John has decided to pursue things alone after penning the 'Encounter' book. There still seems to be a lot of friction between the 'Fab Four' as well.

a reply to: mirageman

Its tempting to think they are experiencing a slow burning version of the Bennewitz treatment.
There's a history of lives coming unravelled when the UFOs drop by for a visit.
I wonder if we are seeing something similar here?
Difficult not to see a lot of deception involved and that in itself causes stress.

originally posted by: Springer

Good. The squabbling he said she said was making this thread a tough read