The 10,000 year old civilization which was more advanced than us

Originally posted by jeit78
reply to post by Xtrozero

 

even if you had ten times more than the number u suggested, it still would be impossible to place such stones in specific locations. The Message of The Sphinx has many clues on this subject.

Howdy Xtrozero

There is some contradiction in your post. You say it is impossible yet it was done. Of course the Egyptians were, by that time, into their third generation of building pyramids. They had developed men who had a keen understanding of how to do just that. Although they did an excellent job on the outer layer and some of the interior, the core, the vast bulk of the stones is pretty much slapped together. They also appeared to have used some sand as filler-and in some cases incorporated outcropping of limestone to make it even easier.

Hello Everyone,
Just read the original post for this and browsed over a few of the subsequant replies and thought I'd add something myself.
I believe it is quite possible to lose tech through the millenia and heres how:
e.g take todays newspapers and books a mere speck in the total age of the planet in its creation yet we are developing more and more computer and electric based storage devices and replacing the old outdated paper. Now say 1000 years in the future paper will be something spoke about in history, all knowledge is now on screen or projected via some crystal into the ether for you to read. Even further maybe even teachings will be implanted no need to spend time reading and learning, all reliant on energy of some sort.
Next scene is set a eutopian future of ease due to technological advances reliant on interface alone. A war begins to rage, the vulnerable sent to safety scientists would'nt be the first to be saved they would save those they loved, not the creators but the users. Cities destroyed all interface sudenly stops....no creators only the simple out of towners survive. Humble people living a simpler life out of the hustle and bustle of the city. Survivors begin to rebuild with an inbuilt need to record everything for fear of losing the knowledge we had lost once before. A few people vaguley remember some things which they pass on to their children as all teaching on mass has stopped e.g Baghdad Battery a mere incling of some small scrat they could re-invent a pitiful attempt. Eventually genes being genes the scientist (creators) are reborn and Civilisation begins to rise once more. Seems we follow a path lets hope we deviate this time round.

DreamerOracle
p.s Genetic Memory: Ether was the First civilisations power supply ZPE(Ether)
Some form of Sonics, to tap Zero Point Energy(ZPE).

[edit on 12/16/09 by Ophiuchus 13]

Just a little add .....as to why we havent obtained these crystals we either havent found any hall of records or crystal doesn't react well to being vapourized along with the cities that housed them. Maybe entombed in glass somewhere under the sea.

High in the mountains of BayanKara-Ula, on the boarders of China and Tibet - a team of archeologists were conducting a very detailed routine survey of a series of interlinked caves. Their interests had been excited by the discovery of lines of neatly arranged graves which contained the skeletons of what must have been a strange race of human beings; strange because they had unnaturally spindly bodies and large, over-developed heads.
At first, it had been thought that the caves had been the home of a hitherto unkown species of ape.
But as the leader of the team - the Chinese archeologist, Professor Chi Pu Tei - pointed out, "Who ever heard of apes burying each other?"

It was while studying the skeletons that one of the team stumbled on a large, round stone disk, half buried in the dust on the floor of the cave. The team gathered round the discovery, turning it this way and that. It looked, absurdly, like a kind of 'Stone Age Gramophone record'. There was a hole in the center and a fine, spiral groove radiated to the rim. Closer inspection, however, showed that the groove was, in fact, a continous spiralling line of closely written characters. The object was a 'record' ... in more ways then one. Only nobody at the time - the year was 1938 - possessed the key to its incredible message.

The disc was labeled and filed away among other finds in the area. Even those who knew of its existence knew nothing of its meaning. Many experts tried to translate the hieroglyphs in the 20 years the disc languished in Peking. They all failed. It was not until another professor -Dr. Tsum Um Nui - broke the code and started to decipher the 'speaking grooves' that the extraordinary implications of the disc were realized. Realized, that is, only by only a select few. The outside world remained in ignorance. For the professor's conclusions on the neaning of the disc were so shattering that they were offically suppressed. The Peking Academy of Pre-History forbade him to publish his findings.

Two years later, in 1965, the professor and four of his colleagues were finally given permission to reveal their theory. It appeared under the long-winded but intriguing title, "The Grooved Script concerning Space-ships which, as recorded on the Discs, landed on Earth 12,000 years ago".

The 'records' - 716 of the grooved discs were later uncovered in the same caves - told an astonishing story of a 'space probe' by the inhabitants of another planet which came to grief in the Bayan-Kara-Ula mountain range. The strange, spiral script told how the peaceful intentions of the 'aliens' had been misunderstood and how many of them were hunted down and killed by members of the Ham tribe, who lived in the neighboring caves.

According to Tsum Um Nui, one of the lines of the hieroglyphs read, "The Dropas came down from the clouds in their aircraft. Our men, women and children hid in the caves ten times before sunrise. When at last they understood the sign language of the Dropas, they realized that the newcomers had peaceful intentions... Another section expressed 'regret' by the Ham tribe that the aliens' spaceship had crash-landed in such a remote and inaccessible mountains and that there had been no way to building a new one to enable Dropas to return to their own planet.

In the years since the discovery of the first disc, archeologists and anthropologists had learned more about the isolated Bayan-Kara-Ula area. And much of the information seemed to corroborate the bizarre story recorded on the discs.
Legend still preserved in the area spoke of small, gaunt, yellow faced men who 'came from the clouds, long, long ago'. The men had huge, bulging heads and puny bodies and were so ugly and repellent that they were hounded down by local tribesmen on horseback. Strangely, the description of the 'invaders' tallied with the skeletons orginally discovered in the caves by Professor Chi Pu Tei. On the walls of the caves themselves archeologists had uncovered crude pictures of the rising Sun, the Moon, unidentifiable stars and the Earth... all joined together by lines of pea-sized dots. Along with the discs, the cave drawings had been dated around 12,000 years old.

The cave area was still inhabited by two semi-troglodyte tribes known as the Hams and the Dropas, themselves extremely odd in appearance. The frail and stunted tribesmen averaged only about five feet in height and were neither typically Chinese nor Tibetan. "Their racial ack-ground," said one expert, "is a mystery."But even with the publications of Professor Tsum Um Nui's amazing translation, the story of the 'space discs' was not over. Russian scientists asked to see the discs and several were sent to Moscow for examination. They were scraped free of rock particles which had stuck to them and then put through chemical analysis. To the suprise of the scientists, they we found to contain large amounts of cobalt and other metallic substances. That was not all. When placed on a special turntable - according to Dr. Vyatcheslav Saizev, who described the experiments in the Soviet magazine Sputnik - they vibrated or 'hummed' in an unusual rhythm as though an electic charge was passing through them. Or as one scientist suggested, "as if they formed some part of an electrical circuit." At some time, they had clearly been exposed to extraordinarily high votages.
The Dzopa ruling couple Hueypah-La (4 ft. tall) and Veez-La (3 ft. 4 in. tall). also have pictures.

Intelligence, friends.
Excuse the double post. I also have a picture of one of the disc mentioned. A scientist noticed the disc changed weight but not size. The scientist placed one of the disc on a old 1930s typewriter to see if the weight changes would cause the disc to press down on the typewriter and it did type. I also have pictures of the typed paper its not words just evidence of the weight changing in the disc.



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Hello again,
Did a read on the Dropa Stones and have watched a few items on the Discovery Channel about it. I firmly believe in this theory as it explains the Rhesus negative blood types and Hybrids. Of which I am. I could go on ti say my head is larger than average as i don't do hats as they don't fit, I have been 6ft 3" tall since i was 11. MMy eyes change colour from time to time so when asked what colour eyes I have ....well I say translucent as they differ from Grey,Green, Blue and Yellow. Thus the name I do have dreams that seem to tap into future events of which i cannot mention....if I told people of my dream and it got into the public eye and the person in question finds out it may cause them to act prematurely and therefor not a good outcome for the world in general. Lol i'm not a kook i'm just very careful i like my life.

DreamerOracle

Hi just to re-itterate i'm not a nutter! lol......
Nice peice Ophiucus, kinda backs up my ZPE power theory as Only ZPE could generate sufficient power due to the Earths limited resource compared to a universe of unlimited resource and variety they would have been used to. So logical resource would have been ZPE its everywhere maybe something in the Gold/Mecury needed for ZPE capture, I don't know merely conjecture.

DreamerOracle

I got to about page 14 and decided I had to post.

Here is an article saying that if humans suddenly disappeared from the Earth, all traces of the human race would be gone after 200,000 years.

200,000 Years

Drawing from this information, I'm concluding that if there was an advanced ancient civilization, it was more than likely anywhere from 150,000 years or more ago. Now think if there was a global nuclear war. Most of civilization would have been wiped out. Any tsunamis, earthquakes, flooding, and any other natural disasters would have wiped out any traces of this advanced civilization. The extreme weather might have even been caused by the nuclear war.

Who's to say how they would have stored their information? Even today, we're focusing more and more on abandoning any physical written documents for electronic versions because it's cheaper and more environmentally friendly. Perhaps these ancient civilizations already had digital representations of their information a lot earlier in their history.

Their methods of building and architecture could have been a lot different from what we use today.

The signs around the world are too hard to ignore that there was an advanced civilization a long time ago. Perhaps they were alien, perhaps not, but the evidence still remains. I could list hundreds of various places, and things that show this, but I don't really need to.

It makes a little too much sense to see that we haven't learned from our history, and are doomed to repeat it.

if there is but even a faint memory of a prior day why would one in the current day make a monument to it? im sure there is time and time effects each individual differently; while i type in my time maybe there has not been the destruction you speak of, and in another creations time what is the past to me is a future occurrence.people know very little about time; they only know as much as a similar object can be observed within it and assume if there are similarities that time is constant between both objects.i believe humans are as small or large as the perception one is allowed to have about life's observation itself:this fluctuation could be time.so by the standards of holy texts set forth reincarnation is true, and the procession of ages is not false; but the difference between your place within the wheel of karma and dharma is your location in "time".time is not constant with a second observer just because you feel there is a constant movement that you feel is observed by someone other than self within heaven.to believe time is equal to what ,you in a maya like fashion believe, another person perceives: due to likeness in image keeps you trapped in the time you thought was real due to association with a likened image.
i say, if what i have observed is great: in the time of others actions are not greater things possible.but there is no equal time amongst creations who have their own actions taken within their own wheels of life.i believe outside of my own actions to take, actions are taken, and great works done, to create beyond my actions ability to perceive, within the time of my actions, the greatness that is maya/mans/gods/goddess/creation.

What I seem to notice is that folks seem to want to find the remains of a city like say New York, as proof of an ancient civilization. What they need to realize is that there are large cities that have a lack of sky scrapers, Tucson Arizona is an example, they only have a few "Sky-Scrapers" with the majority of the city being less than 2 stories high. Now a nuclear blast would pretty much wipe the city clean. Not to mention 10K years of monsoon seasons washing away remaining traces of humanity.
Another point folks complain about is lack of "Plastic" material being found, face it, plastic degrades over time and who says that they used plastic. How many years did we get along with out plastic?
Something else to think about, who recalls reading about the Catholic church in their quest to save the world, destroying ancient texts and writings due to the fact that they did not fit in with their religious views. And the also the fact that knowledge was surpressed and learning was considered evil by the church for hundreds of years. Who knows how far ahead mankind would be now if it was not for that?
Plus think about this as well, despite how advanced we are today, if there was a major event, Most information stored electronically would be unrecoverable in less than 100 years. Eventually books would start to fall apart and if there were no paper to copy them them to, well then you would start to commit them to memory and pass them down oraly to your decendents, which in time would corrupt them by the time they were able to be written down again.
There have also been strange bits found in America where some farmer was digging a cellar and came upon a section of tiled floor 10 feet below the surface. The proof is out there, you just need to learn to see it.

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hey i don't beleive i've seen you around before, what's up

this is a really cool post, i would follow this topic more closely if people would learn to group it together better, you presented this information in a a way that was easy to gather and add to my pre existing length of information on the topic...

i think it's open for debate wether or not this 'evidence' could lead anywhere, but it is uniquely interesting and for posting it i give you the flag and the star for this post

you just brought back the good old days of ats rocking my brain with awesome alternative knowledge

I don't understand why this would even be in question? I think to not believe in such a thing is somewhat close minded. Do we really think that our culture is the pinnacle of evolution? I sure hope not, because we suck.

Originally posted by onequestion
I don't understand why this would even be in question? I think to not believe in such a thing is somewhat close minded. Do we really think that our culture is the pinnacle of evolution? I sure hope not, because we suck.

But why would we not be some kind of slow but continued advancement?

What makes us so great today is the ability for communication to quickly fly around the world connecting billions of minds. Go back and take our 6 billion down two lets say 100 million with communications to take years or never to travel and not minutes as we have today, and we can see how advancement would be extremely slow.

So what we are talking about is either different humans with greater mental abilities to reach great advancement with fewer isolated minds, or major disasters that would seem to set us back now and then once we reached high advancement. Either could be the case, but both right now are just idle thought to say the least.

Originally posted by manicbht

There have also been strange bits found in America where some farmer was digging a cellar and came upon a section of tiled floor 10 feet below the surface. The proof is out there, you just need to learn to see it.

The bolded bit caught my attention and made me do a quick search on google. It is extremely hard to find any information on very ancient findings, as it seems most are suppressed. Here is a link with a few great finds, including the tiled floor 10 ft down in Colorado. I am, however, unsure of its validity.

www.angelfire.com...


[edit on 20-4-2010 by Brando86]

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Excellent thread, S&F for you!

I think it really brings home the point that from the "dark ages" to now was only 500 years.

If humanity in our form has been around over 100k years, then it is a very good possability there was a very advanced society at time.

Secondly, maybe they had a different motiff for how their civilizations. Maybe stone monuments weremore to their liking than steel skyscrapers.

I think this is a very valid opinion to research!

Originally posted by Brando86
Here is a link with a few great finds, including the tiled floor 10 ft down in Colorado. I am, however, unsure of its validity.

www.angelfire.com...

Brando,

Your link contained so many lies that it hurts my golf game.

Harte

[edit on 4/20/2010 by Harte]

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Fair enough. I pointed out I didn't know if anything was valid, but nearly everything mentioned in this thread was presented in that link. Without true reference, its sometimes hard to tell.

There was an advanced civilization before ours?

For me there is no doubt there where plenty, not just one. What we know from them is for shure they had not a materialistic aproach to life like we have. You dont find signs of civilications like ours true! They had a spiritual understanding of everything they linked always their lives to the Gods and would not harm mother earth for make Pampers etc.

The oldest symbols resemble eachother around the world.
They had Kings and not a democracy! In their belives Is an Emperor the personification of all the people in his country. Something like the Borg Queen... In this Scenario is the elite who is carrying hightech and the others well go enjoy building piramyds.

The tower of Babel may have been their first atempt to build a skyscraper but the King of Atlantis got pissed and pressed the big red button?" Grinz" I would love to find out the hole thruth. What I know is that there where tons of interessting artifacts found and you only hear rumors about them :S They never come out to the public eye.

The thing about high technology is that it requires a whole lot of pretty low technology to support it. It doesn't exist in a contextual vacuum. When I get done fiddling with my computer, adding or removing stuff, what do I end up with? A bag full of little stainless steel screws and bits of wire and plastic.

So I'm not looking for a complete working ancient airplane for evidence of an super advanced civilization. I'm looking for those little screws and bits of wire and plastic that would be used to put it all together. That's what you're going to find left over.

Unfortunately, nobody's found any of that stuff, much less enough of it to indicate the presence of a complete advanced civilization.

Ok I understand your point of that you need a lot of secondary tech to get hightech... In my understanding there is the possibility that the elite was advanced. Ok Sri Krsna will not had an I-pod but in Srimad Bhagavatam and Majabharata you got described how the kings flew in vimanas.
In my opinion they where developed but not actualy linear like we did and neither in our direction.

This ancient earth-civilization used their knowdlegde just for the pourpose of a tactical adventage over the other nations wich had also a high level. They didnt care much about barbarians and like old china you had no way of life there es barbarian.

An example for a prop plane you need a combustion engine, electricity, and fuel. Secondary you need light materials and mashine parts. You also need aerodynamics. Like the iron indian pillar who still today has no rust, they may had gearwheels with a good as that or better alloy. In Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 10 there is a chapter where Krishna attacks a Deamon called Bhaumasura who had his castle fortified with a electric fence.. He attacked that Deamon from the sky with his carrier. This was a example where electricty is mentioned. The Antikythira-Planetary a machanical computer, shows that in gearwheels matters the ancient where also not stupid.

CaptainRon I am not hindu from birth but I found in your culture the most acurate report from before the deluge thus I love vedic topics. I will apreciate any input about this subject you can share with us. Gruss