The Liberal Atheist Agenda and the Denial of Self

SkepticOverlord
How about one week without this senseless religion-inspired petty insults?

Lol! I'm not religious. Also, reading this thread for days? I have no idea why it made it to the top.

Is this one week for me? Just kidding! But Okay I will go the next week saying nice things about Democrats. There are nice things to say about them, just not always - and I have a habit of pointing out flaws in whatever party is in charge.

FriedBabelBroccoli

Grimpachi
reply to post by FriedBabelBroccoli

 

First why don't you tell us all

how you PERSONALLY know staunch militaristic atheists

Since you seem to have insight into this matter.
Are they anything like Westboro Baptist Church?

edit on 22-12-2013 by Grimpachi because: (no reason given)

There are only a few self identified atheists left in my program, all the extremely outspoken westboro baptist types have all failed out or fallen far enough behind that I don't encounter them with any sort of frequency. Most of the atheists I personally encounter are at work (retail) and do not hold/pursue scientific degrees. Mostly local artists whose work I sell and those who are heavily devoted to certain political movements.

These militants and westboro types are the extremes of the spectrum on either end.

Yeah - those are the ones I encountered, a lot of them were pretty militant, it was at a liberal arts college.

reply to post by darkbake


Basically here is one thing I notice - what I don't understand is how come liberal Atheists are separating themselves from the Churches - that is only going to make the Churches more radical as the realistic and positive people head out.

Grimpachi
reply to post by FriedBabelBroccoli

 

First why don't you tell us all

how you PERSONALLY know staunch militaristic atheists

Since you seem to have insight into this matter.

Are they anything like Westboro Baptist Church?

edit on 22-12-2013 by Grimpachi because: (no reason given)

A lot like them, yes.

Is there any room for someone who does not believe in god and doesn't follow any political "views"?

Absolutely there is....Just pretend you do....Cloaking!

reply to post by AliceBleachWhite



"Oh, and, um, the Nazis were Christians, so, please stop with any comparisons between them and Atheists."

but they were so un christian like.

if they were, they wouldn't do what they did.

ya think something else motivated them?

AliceBleachWhite
reply to post by darkbake

 

Um, it was more of a cult.

There's not much at all scientific about spending resources on attempting to find Biblical Talismans like Ark of Covenant, or Spear of Destiny and other fetish nonsense.

A proper Atheist has no use for these fetish objects.
Nazis were NOT Atheists.
Please stop attempting to force Atheists into the same box.
Naziism was a warped screwed up animal.
Please learn some distinctions about what you're attempting to label, and what those distinctions and differences are.

yeah, a proper atheist has NOTHING to say.

"It called itself Socialism, but it was NOT Socialism."

tell them that.

jimmyx
reply to post by darkbake

 

I'm a liberal and an atheist, and I don't know what the you are talking about. this is real simple....so I won't use big words.... we do not want to live by religious laws, nor have any religious people try and control us using religion...that's it,...that's the entire agenda,...the whole ball of wax.

and i don't want live by your laws, either.

how do i know you're fair?

because who ever is making the laws, says so?

really? do we look that stupid?

justwokeup
Atheism is lack of belief in a deity. It carries no other baggage and has no strictures. Not believing in a deity neither implies belief in any other political or social ideology nor prohibits it.

An atheist is equally as capable of being a conservative as a liberal. Thats before we get into the distinction between social liberalism and classical liberalism.

Similarly a Christian is equally capable of being any of the above.

The call to conflate a collapse in religious belief with the rise of Nazism is not supported by the historical record.

"A German census in May 1939, completed more than six years into the Nazi era and incorporating the annexation of mostly Catholic Austria into Germany, indicates that 54% of Germans considered themselves Protestant, (including non-denominational Christians) and 40% considered themselves Catholic, with only 3.5% claiming to be neo-pagan "believers in God," and 1.5% non-Christians, or "non-believers".

Nazism rose in a majority Christian Germany. The creator being believers were as seduced by its promises as everybody else and were equally culpable in the horror that unfolded.

1939?

lol!!!
no jews in that poll?

reply to post by AliceBleachWhite


you make no sense.

rupertg
tip: part of the point of being an Atheist is NOT being as annoying as religious folks. shut up about it.

oh please.....

AliceBleachWhite

FriedBabelBroccoli

Lets not forget that Hitler was a big fan of Theosophy, aka the worship of Lucifer as per Madam Blavastky.

Calling Hitler a practicing Christian is disingenuous.

-FBB

Um, Lucifer is part of the whole Abrahamic Christian Mythology.
A Christian that 'worships' or pays homage to Lucifer is still a Christian.

If someone taking stock in Norse Mythology prefers Loki over Odin, they're still adhering to Norse mythology.

If someone giving observation to Egyptian mythology prefers Osiris over Ra, it doesn't make them any less a follower of the Egyptian mythology.

Worship Lucifer?
Or paying homage to any trappings associated with the Christian mythology?
Still a Christian.
Perhaps not by definition of those adherent to the mythology, but, Mythologically, and Sociologically they're still a Christian.
Sure, anyone may call it a 'cult', or whatever, but, still, it's Christian.

The abrahamic mythologies like to label themselves as monotheistic, but, in reality, they're polytheistic as there's more than one supernatural character to choose from for 'worship', whether it's acceptable behavior or not.

edit on 12/21/2013 by AliceBleachWhite because: (no reason given)

you have no idea what a christian is, do you.

no christian worships satan or the pope.

you are so far off base, it's mind boggling.

it explains a lot.

Gryphon66
What makes someone a Christian exactly? Do we each get to judge who is and isn't? Isn't that supposedly a matter between each individual and God? Should we all vote on it?

Please.

Adolf Hitler believed he was a Christian (as noted above, as can be seen very easily by referencing his many quotes on the subject.) He stated he was a Christian on multiple occasions (ibid). He acted in ways that he believed were justified by his Christian faith. (References provided above and easily accessible on the internet.)

Doesn't the Bible say something along the lines of "Judge not that ye be not judged."? Oh wait, that's inconvenient in this application, isn't it?

Personally, I will state unequivocally that in my opinion the crimes of the Nazi regime in Germany were beyond appalling. Adolf Hitler was a psychopath, war criminal and mass murderer, but he was also a practicing Christian according to his own testimony.

Before anyone says that no Christian would advocate mass murder, etc., just type in "gays put to death christians" or "history of christian brutality and genocide" or "history of christian anti-semitism" or "christian genocide of native peoples" into any search engine; then get back to me.

Facts, not statements of opinion.

*shrug*

yeah we all get to judge, you, me, ats, anyone.

that's why GOD has the last word on that.

i'm not leaving my soul in your hands. ya think?

or my liberties.

sorry i don't trust anyone, especially non believers.

screw the common good.

that has done jack, for my generation.

tsingtao
reply to post by AliceBleachWhite

 

"Oh, and, um, the Nazis were Christians, so, please stop with any comparisons between them and Atheists."

but they were so un christian like.

if they were, they wouldn't do what they did.

ya think something else motivated them?

the feeling of purpose and meaning, working toward the greater good. Sounds a lot like Christianity to me.

it's not the religion, it's how people use it
2nd line

Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.

— Edward Gibbon

reply to post by darkbake



Check this out.....listen closely.

reply to post by Logarock


Wow... he starts out a lot of his sentences with "you probably don't understand the impact of this" and "It must be hard for you to understand."

AfterInfinity

Konduit

rupertg
tip: part of the point of being an Atheist is NOT being as annoying as religious folks. shut up about it.

Oh, the irony... honestly the Atheist's on this site are starting to sound more intolerant and bigoted then the religious nuts.

edit on 23-12-2013 by Konduit because: (no reason given)

I feel compelled to point out that the member you are responding to does not speak for all of us, nor am I certain that s/he claims to be an atheist. Please keep that in mind while casting aspersions and generalities with that broad brush.

I'm sorry but I was not responding to that individuals post, I was quoting a point that they made. Please don't take peoples comments out of context in order to project some sort of moral high ground over them. C'mon man.