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Sk8ergrl
I'm sorry but killing someone is murder so you made no sense.
Yes I agree that this earth does have evil roaming around but killing is not the answer.
They will be judged and karma will hit them twice as hard.
Yes I know that its hard to feel love and think positive in these times but that's what gets me by to think positive. I wish everyone the very best.
chiram
Let’s admit it; the bible doesn’t really make sense to most people. Do you really understand it?
8 Love never fails: but where there are prophecies, they shall pass away; where there are tongues, they shall cease; where there is knowledge, it shall vanish away. 9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect comes, then that which is partial shall pass away. 11 When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12 For now we see in a mirror dimly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known. 1 Corinthians 13:8-12 (Revised King James New Testament)
Most people interpret it literally; even Jesus spoke in parables to those who were considered unworthy of the knowledge.
Jesus says that he realizes they have Abraham as their ancestor, but Abraham was also a great prophet or mystic and if they were truly Abraham’s children, SPIRITUALLY SPEAKING, they would act as Abraham had taught.
Nenothtu: And there is the key! You are speaking of a literal, blood line descent from the original human, made by God, and therefore making all "children of God" by blood, children with a small "c". I, on the other hand, am speaking of the spiritual sense, Children with a capital "C", because that is what most of the New Testament, and most of Jesus' teachings as well, dealt with.
It's really a matter of the inheritance, I think, and the other "children of God" who elect to become Sons of Satan (capital "S", i.e. in the spiritual sense) are disinherited. I say "are" in the sense of "already have been, long ago, long before they were even born, and continue to be", but that's a whole 'nuther can of worms, probably best opened in another thread some time.
Children of Light and Children of Darkness – found in the ‘Gospel of Jesus’ P698 (no preview)
Those whose attention has been turned around and are facing God are of a different character from those whose attention is continuing to run out into the world. The lives of initiates have been brought under the jurisdiction of a Saviour who tempers everything with mercy, love and forgiveness. They are on the path back to God. The lives of others are determined by Satan, the Negative Power, and his rule of justice. They are on the path that meanders through the realm of birth and death.
Masters, therefore, make a distinction between those who are following the path to God and those who are following the mind, using various names to designate these two basic kinds of people and these two attitudes to life. In Jesus’ time, his followers were called the ‘children of light’, the ‘children of God’, the ‘little ones’, or the ‘little children’, contrasted with the ‘children of darkness’, the ‘children of the wicked one’, the ‘children of the disobedient’ and so on.
It should be said, of course, that a TRUE ‘child of the light’ – a true disciple – is very rare and since most disciples are still struggling with the outgoing tendencies of their minds, perhaps only a Master himself would really qualify for the name. The majority of disciples have yet to overcome the power of Satan, and dark traits will still lurk within them. They are no different from other human beings. But they are on the road to God and in that sense may be termed the “children of light’.
It's not because Muhammad had 'visions'
... it's because he used the stories he had heard from those sources as a basis for his fiction. However ... that's where the similarities end.
The Christians have ONE God who manifests in three aspects ... Father, Son, HolySpirit. The Muslims do not. Christians worship Jesus as God Incarnate. Muslims do not. BIG DIFFERENCE.
Message from Islam? Allah hates unbelievers.
Message from Christianity? God loves all his children.
It's kind of ridiculous to believe that a mass murdering liar (muhammad) would be visited by an angel with the only truth from Heaven. It's kind of ridiculous to believe the fabrications he invented about Jesus 600+ years after Jesus died. It's kind of ridiculous to believe Muhammads self serving 'visions' ... even his child-bride seemed to not buy into them.
Don't play stupid. The opening post isn't about 'pure monotheism'. It's proselytizing a fabrication with the threat of hellfire if you don't buy into the bunk.
And the truth is that opening post quote of yours was nothing more than you proselytizing a hellfire threat made by a murdering thief and liar from 1400 years ago. That's the truth - like it or not.
chiram
reply to post by nenothtu
No, that’s not it. This is what I’m trying to get across to you (below) who were the children of God versus the children of Satan (for reference only)
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Children of Light and Children of Darkness – found in the ‘Gospel of Jesus’ P698 (no preview)
Those whose attention has been turned around and are facing God are of a different character from those whose attention is continuing to run out into the world. The lives of initiates have been brought under the jurisdiction of a Saviour who tempers everything with mercy, love and forgiveness. They are on the path back to God. The lives of others are determined by Satan, the Negative Power, and his rule of justice. They are on the path that meanders through the realm of birth and death.
Masters, therefore, make a distinction between those who are following the path to God and those who are following the mind, using various names to designate these two basic kinds of people and these two attitudes to life. In Jesus’ time, his followers were called the ‘children of light’, the ‘children of God’, the ‘little ones’, or the ‘little children’, contrasted with the ‘children of darkness’, the ‘children of the wicked one’, the ‘children of the disobedient’ and so on.
It should be said, of course, that a TRUE ‘child of the light’ – a true disciple – is very rare and since most disciples are still struggling with the outgoing tendencies of their minds, perhaps only a Master himself would really qualify for the name. The majority of disciples have yet to overcome the power of Satan, and dark traits will still lurk within them. They are no different from other human beings. But they are on the road to God and in that sense may be termed the “children of light’.
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Neno I have a lot of respect for you, but geez thoughts of killing someone is totally way out. Can I get you to take a look at how bad thoughts affect us Here Page-369.
Best Wishes – Chiram.
Nenothtu: Now I am confused. The part you quote here seems to be saying that all people are born "good" as "Children of God", yet still have to be turned towards the "good" for some reason or other. What I believe is that all are born "bad" or "corrupt", and have to be turned towards the "good", else they live out their lives in default mode..
At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying “Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?” And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, and said:
“Verily I say unto you, except ye be converted and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this (as a) little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 18:1-6)