How many people actually question the motive of mainstream music?

Does anyone here often question the motive of mainstream music?

I've been giving it a lot of thought lately. It's to the point where I hear Miley Cyrus, Justin Bieber, Rihanna, etc, on the radio so much that it's almost mind blowing. This is in North America. I can't speak for other places, but it's force fed to us at a rate that's really revolting to me.

I hear the same 10-15 songs dozens of times a day on radio at work. Dozens, and this goes on for months until one of these particular artists release a new track. As a result other musicians of all genres go unnoticed and perhaps that's a good thing how the music industry works, and how much it manipulates and sensationalizes things. Essentially stripping who the artist or band was to begin with in most cases.

YouTube is dominated by these videos from these artists, with tens of millions to hundreds of millions of views. You can skim the comments and get an idea of culture today within the vast majority. People as a result aren't aware of other music a lot of the times, and so it's all they know. You see superficial comments, you see people who want to be like their idols. It has become unhealthy, and almost destructive society as a result.

This isn't to mention the imagery and symbols put forth, and I won't go into it heavily, nor will I post images, but it's hard to deny all of the demonic imagery, and countless hand gestures and pyramids and eyes that are present within music videos and photoshoots. All of these artists that dominate the mainstream exhibit very similar behavior. For instance, covering one eye. It's a conspiracy, yes, but it's almost creepy to the point where it begs questions as to what exactly is going on.

It bothers me, and lately I notice it more and more, no matter where I am. I see the faces of these artists, and how they are revered. You can take the followers of Kings, empires, everything in the past, and then take one of these artists and their followers, and honestly, is it really that different? One of these artists have tens of millions of followers.

I wanted to create a discussion about this, without it completely going off the rails, so I ask, what do you think of this? Is there a deeper agenda?

reply to post by Kitora


The deeper agenda is MONEY. It always has been.

I can't for the life of me believe that there's an entire industry of music, that's dedicated to masonic, satanic or any other kind of large scale attempt at 'programming people'. Beyond the obvious over sexualization of our youth and the pushing of consumerism.

~Tenth

Is there a deeper agenda?

Yes, $$$. It all comes down to the Dollar. It's all about making money.

If you don't like these people and their songs, stay away from popular things like Surveillancetube or SurveillanceBook and don't listen to Top 40 Radio.

There in no conspiracy with these Pop stars, Imo.

tothetenthpower
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The deeper agenda is MONEY. It always has been.

I can't for the life of me believe that there's an entire industry of music, that's dedicated to masonic, satanic or any other kind of large scale attempt at 'programming people'. Beyond the obvious over sexualization of our youth and the pushing of consumerism.

~Tenth

This is probably exactly what the point of all of this is.

Conspiracies are juicy, and so they attract many people. I don't have the balls to outright say that there is a conspiracy, and that there is a supernatural force at work within the paradigm of society tugging at the strings of our friends and loved ones.

The amount of sexual imagery, undeniably ripples through our culture at a rate that isn't really matched by anything else. It transforms the youth of today, making them more promiscuous, more concerned with appearance, ego and money. Such a mechanism of deep psychological bombardment feels indicative of something larger, but this is all conjecture.

At the rate that this is seeding society I feel as though it's only a matter of time before the majority of the population is so superficial that they will be completely blind to the world, much more than they are today, which seems hard to top.

I dun know why i even post for. mayhaps i is possessed.







Imo we should be thankful they have been so considerate. If you ain't add it up you ain't writing.

reply to post by Kitora


Rap and Hip/Hop.

rims, cars, chains, Ho's, drugs/alcohol, party, and floss..

All great things to do with money for the longterm payoff..

Its not the music affecting the culture its each new generation of kids finding their own culture and branding it their own.

Your putting the cart before the horse here.

Today's symbolism is nowhere near what it was in the 80's with heavy metal and Satan worship accusations yet all that was false, it was simply that type of music for that current type of youth.

A few years ago kids had their Back Street Boys and Mariah Carey, today its Miley Cyrus or Justin Beiber, tomorrow it will be some new names and new faces doing their own hand gestures and the new youth swallowing it up.

The constant here is the change and there is nothing any deeper to read into it other than that. Remember the devil horns symbol the kids used to make with their closed fist in one hand and a raised lighter in the other?

Was nothing but a little trend.

I agree... It's about the money.

The more the record companies can get you talking about their
artists, the more they make off their artists.

But it's not just the moguls. It's the musicians as well, to some extent.

Just look at some of the over-the-top acts in history, Kiss, Alice Cooper,
Marilyn Manson, GWAR, Slipknot. These acts were theater for the eyes
as well as music. Other acts use theater for the MIND...biting heads
off of animals or using illuminati imagery, or whatever-the-hell-else
they can come up with to get your attention. Because YOUR attention
makes THEM money.

That's really as complicated as it is...play the record backwards
as much as you wish, it is just a means to garner your attention.

The art of writing good music is all about writing lyrics that mean many different things to many different people.

IMO 'The Doors' were the masters at this and really set the stage for all acts to follow



Of course there were many others like Pink Floyd , jefferson airplane , Bowie ..etc etc

As a life long musician...Im assuming youre not saying that if I go home tonight, sit at my keys or guitar and decide to write an original mainstrea-music song...that I have to have some alterior motive other than just "wanting-to-write" a piece of music?

There is a big difference in saying the composers-artists have some unified, hidden agenda...and the BUSINESS of PROMOTING these tunes on the radio by big-business-radio-programming.

Some artists just write what they feel...and have no other agenda other than expressing themselves.

Packaging, promoting and labeling are an indication of corporate involvment generally.

Now...if you want to amend your OP to reflect that, I'd agree that there are $$$ and other motivating factors by the music industry PTB to deluge us with mainstream syrup for their own hot-cakes ($$$$).

Yes - it's all to do with money. Nothing more. The major record companies' old business model was long ago crippled by the internet. Bands are too costly and require far too much man management. Exceptions are boy bands who appeal to teenage girls. But Bieber is better because like solo female artists, it's easier to manipulate one person than a band with different egos and larger running costs. And so we have Bieber plus the 3 goddesses of pop, Gaga, Perry and Rihanna, lined up for radio airplay and maximum TV coverage all the time. There ain't much left in the kitty to promote anyone else anymore.

Chuck was the DEVIL!!

PhoenixOD
The art of writing good music is all about writing lyrics that mean many different things to many different people.

IMO 'The Doors' were the masters at this and really set the stage for all acts to follow



Of course there were many others like Pink Floyd , jefferson airplane , Bowie ..etc etc

Surely the art of writing good music is creating a good melody and combining it with a harmonic/rhythmic structure? Music is not dependent on any lyrics and some of the most popular songs have poor lyrics.

However a great lyric can lift a good song and make it a great song. So I am sort of questioning your point and agreeing with it at the same time

It isn't just about Music coming down to money. Money drives everything in the US. Be it politics, healthcare, food supply, or the environment. Most of the topics we discuss here at the core revolve around money.

Kitora
Does anyone here often question the motive of mainstream music?

I've been giving it a lot of thought lately. It's to the point where I hear Miley Cyrus, Justin Bieber, Rihanna, etc, on the radio so much that it's almost mind blowing. This is in North America. I can't speak for other places, but it's force fed to us at a rate that's really revolting to me.

I hear the same 10-15 songs dozens of times a day on radio at work. Dozens, and this goes on for months until one of these particular artists release a new track. As a result other musicians of all genres go unnoticed and perhaps that's a good thing how the music industry works, and how much it manipulates and sensationalizes things. Essentially stripping who the artist or band was to begin with in most cases.

YouTube is dominated by these videos from these artists, with tens of millions to hundreds of millions of views. You can skim the comments and get an idea of culture today within the vast majority. People as a result aren't aware of other music a lot of the times, and so it's all they know. You see superficial comments, you see people who want to be like their idols. It has become unhealthy, and almost destructive society as a result.

This isn't to mention the imagery and symbols put forth, and I won't go into it heavily, nor will I post images, but it's hard to deny all of the demonic imagery, and countless hand gestures and pyramids and eyes that are present within music videos and photoshoots. All of these artists that dominate the mainstream exhibit very similar behavior. For instance, covering one eye. It's a conspiracy, yes, but it's almost creepy to the point where it begs questions as to what exactly is going on.

It bothers me, and lately I notice it more and more, no matter where I am. I see the faces of these artists, and how they are revered. You can take the followers of Kings, empires, everything in the past, and then take one of these artists and their followers, and honestly, is it really that different? One of these artists have tens of millions of followers.

I wanted to create a discussion about this, without it completely going off the rails, so I ask, what do you think of this? Is there a deeper agenda?

Im a music producer, I have been heavily into music for many many years, so much into it that I became a dj, a beatmaker and later a composer/producer. I have pretty much given up on the whole damn industry since finding out how disgusting the whole damn industry is. The biggest dream and passion I have ever had I have abandoned, the industry goes against everything I believe in and I have to stick with my morals.
I thought the infiltration of "the industry" by the OTO(ordo templis orientis) was a more recent phenomenon, but later learned that maybe it has always been like this, (since the beatles at least).
Apparently, Sergeant Pepper is Aleister Crowley.
The satanic corruption of the music business has moved well beyond covert and is very much "in your face".

I wouldnt mind so much if the music was marketed at adults. But its not, its marketed to pre pubescent children.
We have kids getting pregnant, our kids are being confused by whats being portrayed as "normal", they are being sexualised and brainwashed into believing girls are hoes, and that what you own defines you.
To be successful equates to how hard you "hustle", what car you own, what labels you wear, and how naked you can get to sell records.

Its disgusting, its evil in every sense of the word.

It preaches that money is god.
I think money and material gain is worshipped in this world much more than any biblical or religious "god".
Money really does make the world go around.
"Money, Money, Money..In a rich mans world" - The Eurythmics.

Money is THE epitome of "anti-christ".
And pop music preaches its gospel.

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You are right , i should have said lyrics rather than music

HanzHenry
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Rap and Hip/Hop.

rims, cars, chains, Ho's, drugs/alcohol, party, and floss..

All great things to do with money for the longterm payoff..

Hip hop wasnt always all about the money, it used to be about "life" and "struggle" against a "racist establishment".
There have always been artists that stayed on the negative, but hip hop used to be a very diverse genre, now it all sounds the same, preaching the same things..sex, drugs and money.
I have lost faith in the whole damn thing.
20+ years of my life dedicated to music, to find it was a false dream.

Except musicians and bands being idolized for their money/power has been going on for decades. Same with their being bands that are commercially successful while other more earnest bandsartists are playing to crowds of 20 people in a library basement. Being successful to me is not a bad thing and I do not begrudge any musician that able to live life they way they want off the music they write or perform.

Take a look at an album like Dark Side of the Moon by Pink Floyd..That one album alone has sold upwards of 50 million records and that doesn't include all the copies, resells, insert some other medium. Jagged Little Pill by Alanis Morissette sold something like 35 million records . Take a look at the hysteria that Beatles , Elivs and countless others caused. Bands that achieve a certain level will impact the style of their fans. Hell bands that don't sell millions will impact their fans..That doen't make it nefarious. The music industry and how it works is nothing new..Certain styles of bands or songs become popular ..Sometimes stupid songs catch on for whatever reason and people like them. When all the conditions are right for a band you can turn on the radio and hear them on every station..that has been going on for decades and it comes and goes in waves. Hell their was the year of Mmbop and the year of Mambo Number 5 and the year of this latest flavor of the month and so on..

Absolutely.

The repetition and saturation keeps people synchronized. And when you're the rhythm keeper...

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