Palin Says 'War on Christmas' Is Being Waged

boymonkey74
reply to post by blupblup

 

The problem with Christmas is it just starts too early, here in the UK the supermarkets started sell Christmas stuff in mid September.
When I was a kid it was around the first week of December, they have spoiled it..by the time it is actually here Iam sick to death of it all..just buy buy buy.
It must be horrid having likkle kids whom ask "can I have that?" none stop for 3 months.
Oh and that Santa on a Cross is soooo funny

I know mate, it's a joke.... they start putting Xmas stuff out with halloween stuff and then just ram it down your throats non stop.
The Xmas music, the lights... the buy buy..i want i want.... Grrrrrr

LOL

Yeah. All for one day... *sigh*

blupblup
reply to post by olaru12

 

edit on 9/12/13 by blupblup because: (no reason given)

Jesus sacrifices and abnegates, Santa manufactures and indulges.

Do we get it yet, kids......?

JiggyPotamus
I rarely agree with Republicans on many things, but the whole not saying Christmas thing, and instead saying "happy holidays" or whatever, is a complete and utter joke. Can someone explain why non-Christians would be celebrating a holiday at this time anyway? Christmas is strictly a Christian holiday, celebrating the birth of Christ. So someone who does not believe in Christ would not really be celebrating anything, and therefore I don't think that saying happy holidays need apply.

As a poverty-stricken atheist, I decided to eschew Christmas and all its trappings over a decade ago; this was made much easier by also giving up teevee at the same time; without the constant commercials to buy something, ANYthing, for people I mostly didn't even like all that much, I started truly being able to think about the whole shebang from another POV.

It was fascinating telling people I 'didn't do Christmas'. They rarely believed me. I went to family dinners for years with people who continued to buy me presents I didn't want, that were clearly the result of not knowing me or my needs in the least, and who I had not bought presents for. Their resentment grew; why was I not reciprocating in this little charade? Where was THEIR haul?

It finally got easier to move 3000 miles away (the bonus was better weather!) than try to explain that even though they were mostly as non-religious as I was, I wasn't gonna be commercialized anymore, and I wasn't going to listen to teevee anymore, and I was no longer equipped with unlimited credit cards anymore, either. Brainwashed, every last one of them. And not in a nice squeaky-clean way, either.

I always liked "Season's Greetings". And this was before the war started. Everything is a war, sadly.

If it is about Christ, were are the "What would Jesus buy" signs?

People are in such a hilarious twist this time of the year.
Christians LOVE LOVE LOVE to celebrate Christmas - big tree, tons of presents, tons of food, family, decorations, lights, etc.
That's like putting on an Obama shirt, hat, pin, grabbing your Obama sign, affixing your Obama bumper sticker, and then driving off to vote for Romney and say it was all for him the whole time.
Earth is hilarious.
And I DON'T VOTE!!!

reply to post by olaru12

Palin Says 'War on Christmas' Is Being Waged

To be honest, this war has been going on now for a while. It began with marketing that used what is basically a faith-based observance and turned it into a corporate sales bonanza.

Today, the war has migrated somewhat... people who dare to put out a personal manger scene are sometimes egged and defaced with graffiti... but it's not just Christmas that gets this. There's a general... overall growing lack of disrespect for private property and anything that represents a faith.

In many ways, the 'Church' helped instigate this with priests that abused children and evangelical preachers that used religion to live lives of comfort. When this happens, you have to expect a bad name. There is not excusing this but there is no excuse in stereotyping millions for what a comparatively few did.

Right now, the war is, in my opinion, counter to what we need and represents a culture that exists outside the moral compass of basic decency. It's our fault it arrived, but there is also a burden to be carried by those who endorse such misconduct who hold stations of national stature outside the field of the various faiths who don't speak out.

The point, which is undoubtedly not much found in public dialogue, is about just basic respect. We are an imperfect species with no chance of ever becoming perfect but, we don't have to do unto others as they have done unto others. We could rise above it... we could focus on setting examples. That's called 'evolution' or evolving above what we were.

What we see today... is, at best, a stagnation and at worst, a de-evolution.

She is far better suited to appear in the "Real Housewives of Wasilla". I do wish she would fade into oblivion. Her 15-minutes was over long ago.

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reply to post by JiggyPotamus


Ever hear of hannuka(probably butchered the spelling), or kwanza(probably butchered that spelling too)?

reply to post by redoubt


Yes, we could rise above it.

Everyone seems to want to get the best of everyone else,

reply to post by Stormdancer777



Ultimately isn't Christmas in our individual hearts and souls?

Despite the commercialism shouldn't we embrace the part of Christmas that
fosters brotherhood, peace and love, and getting drunk and making fools of our selves?

I think that's what Jesus would want....don't you?

The whole issue is the Political Correctness during Christmas..

At work you are not allowed to call it "Christmas" anymore because some don't celebrate it, so it needs to be called "Holiday". Decorations are not allowed either anymore thus it could offend those who don't believe .. and if you have a tree of something, you better not calling it a "Christmas Tree".

But then again, here comes the Hippocrates .. all these people who are "offended" are not offended if they get off a couple days over the "Holidays". B

It's unbelievable how far we pushed the envelope .. Christmas is no joy if you can't celebrate it. The true meaning of Christmas was lost a long time ago...

Yes, so I agree it's a war against Christmas and the spirit of Christmas on every front.

reply to post by olaru12


Oh here we go again, "Beware the Pagans and their wicked winter solstice they want to take over our Christmas!" "thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" right Palin? This woman is a joke. Some people should be banned from public speaking. What´s the saddest thing about this though is that she still has listeners and the money is flowing to her pocket.

Nyiah
I fail to see how there's any war on Christmas aside from a commercial push.

The history of this very Pagan ritual. It's really hard for me to take a Christian seriously when this isn't something that originated with Christianity in the first place, but rather, was pre-existing celebrations re-appropriated to suck in followers. The roots of it are solidly in the final harvest of the year, feasts galore. We don't really do that anymore outside of 2 meals (Thanksgiving & Christmas dinners) I don't see too many people giving up the commercialism anytime soon, but it would be fantabulous to see a greater push to get back to those original roots of spreading the harvest around. Sharing sustenance couldn't get any closer to the origins.

It may have pagan roots, but we still celebrate those times like Easter (equinox), and Christmas (another equinox).
The problem is we're not even allowed to put up Christmas trees, because "it might offend someone", then shops don't even stock Christmas cards because "it might offend someone", and then they don't even use the word Christmas but use XMas instead because "it might offend someone". Strangely enough, while there have been objections to Christian symbols being worn by public employees like nurses or even on plaques outside buildings, no such objections have been made to the giant Hannukah candle holder outside the White House.

reply to post by stormcell


Where are these places? I would love to know so I can shop there. I don't have a problem with people celebrating Christmas, but having experienced serious tragedy and loss around Christmas time, being surround buy Chritmasy stuff non stop from September on, drags out painful memories for way to long and makes it harder to fight the depression it brings on. I avoid food/household needs shopping until the last minute possible because Christmas music being played in the stores makes me want to cry. It would be a nice break for me if these places truly existed, but I doubt they do.

redoubt
What we see today... is, at best, a stagnation and at worst, a de-evolution.

I disagree with de-evolution completely. I'll take many of our modern morals over the non sense I read about in history, and religious books. We've clearly moved toward more reasonable times. I'll defiantly take acceptance over stoning and witch hunts. I don't like the idea of having second class citizens, so I'm glad women, different races, and gays are getting better treatment. I haven't seen many heads on pikes lately. I wish there was less war, but we are probably stagnant there.

During this time of year people lose control over their desire to have stuff, they can be psychologically manipulated by marketing teams. I've worked at a retail store during Black Friday, and the holidays. It sucks, but it's not new. History is full of greedy people who desire stuff. It's not all that important either.

It's funny though how conservatives have falsely painted the war on Christmas as a liberal anti-christian agenda. The truth is all this non sense is driven by corporations that understand the profit that comes along with a broader appeal. Believe it or not, most atheist and liberals don't sit around all year feeling hot and bothered, waiting for their chance to ruin Christmas. The overwhelming majority don't care. It's not important, we are distracted by the bigger picture. The sentimental meaning of Christmas arguments aren't important to us. You can include yourself in the group of manipulated people if you buy this nonsense..

stormcell


The problem is we're not even allowed to put up Christmas trees, because "it might offend someone", then shops don't even stock Christmas cards because "it might offend someone", and then they don't even use the word Christmas but use XMas instead because "it might offend someone". Strangely enough, while there have been objections to Christian symbols being worn by public employees like nurses or even on plaques outside buildings, no such objections have been made to the giant Hannukah candle holder outside the White House.

WTF..........are you blind? I see xmas trees, nativity scenes, blatant Christian xmas references everywhere and people are comfortable with it whether they be Christian, Jews, heathens or like me; Church of the Sub genius...praise Bob!!
The stores have xmas card right by the check out line with the "Christmas Cards" emblazoned on the sign.
Christmas and the accompanied commercialization is in fact being pushed in our faces....and you don't see it???

Your Rush Limbaugh style of partisan hyperbole isn't winning any converts. It's lame and basically lying.

reply to post by olaru12


The people who are politicizing Christmas need to shut up and go away. Sarah Palin is worthless and every thing she says is either terrible or profoundly stupid.

Um, Christmas was a pagan "winter solstice" holiday long before the Christians hijacked it in order to convert the pagan peoples of Europe.

Most "Christian" holidays are based on much older pagan holidays. It's easier to convert someone when you say, "Oh look, we celebrate on that day too!"

Palin needs to just go away.

reply to post by mahatche

I disagree with de-evolution completely. I'll take many of our modern morals over the non sense I read about in history, and religious books. We've clearly moved toward more reasonable times

If you read history, then you must know that we are indeed tripping over the same stones we have time and time again.

Okay, perhaps de-evolution was a bit exaggerated. Only time will really tell. But, that said, if stagnated is not the pond we play in today... I don't know another word to describe it.

well I was Jehovah witness for a while, and a closet holiday celebrator of all things, birthdays, Halloween, Easter, Christmas, they caught me trick or treating



Now look up cedar trees, this goes all the way back to the old testament, symbolic of eternal life.

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I love trees