Knockout "Game" Backfires, Woman Attacked- What Is Going On With Our Society???

reply to post by CardiffGiant


If you were attacked from behind, and nearly knocked unconscious, do you think your first thought would be about not doing too much to protect yourself? If you hit me like that, you better for real hope you get me with the first shot. Yours would too, you wouldn't even think, its life and death to you at that point, you would not worry about how much damage you caused to that "gentleman" no matter what kinda humanitarian you are.

reply to post by Bundy


Well put.

CardiffGiant
this knockout game or happy slapping is terrible but do you deserve to be shot to death for it?
i certainly dont think so.

1. "A 72-year-old St. Louis man, Hoang Nguyen, was killed in April of 2011 after being attacked in a game of knockout; the attacker, Elex Murphy, was convicted on second-degree murder charges. Many more of these attacks have taken place over the years nationwide, according to Wikipedia."

2. "Three New Jersey teens are currently locked up on murder charges after they allegedly punched a man to death during a game of “Knockout, according to the New York Daily News.The three teens, all from Jersey City, followed the homeless Hoboken man, Ralph Erick Santiago, 46, down a street back in September. One of the boys punched Santiago, causing him to fall back from the blow and collapse onto an iron fence, where he died after his neck was wedged between two posts, police said."

Did these people deserve to die because cowards and thugs wanted to play a game?

No one makes people choose this course of action and if weaklings want to continue playing it than they are the only ones responsible for the consequences. That's great folks can be rehabilitated. Wonderful for criminals. Violent criminals didn't get that title from being nice and I feel no sympathy for someone like that..sorry.

These people aren't just criminals, they're ruined human beings. I'm a felon, 3 times over, and I don't agree with this crap whatsoever. They deserve whatever happens to them, they thought nothing of the consequences, therefor those that come are deserved. I carry at least a large knife, like 10 inch blade when Im in a bad place, if you didn't get me in the 1st shot I would no doubt kill you. I'm also very large, im sure this would never happen to me for that simple reason. I'm a threat, they aren't looking for that.

BAHAHAHAHAHA!

I wonder how long this hardcore thug sat on the ground crying!!??

BAHAHAHAHAHA!

Dirtbags got EXACTLY what they deserved
...wait no, they didnt, they deserved a slug in the skull for what they did

Bundy
These people aren't just criminals, they're ruined human beings. I'm a felon, 3 times over, and I don't agree with this crap whatsoever. They deserve whatever happens to them, they thought nothing of the consequences, therefor those that come are deserved. I carry at least a large knife, like 10 inch blade when Im in a bad place, if you didn't get me in the 1st shot I would no doubt kill you. I'm also very large, im sure this would never happen to me for that simple reason. I'm a threat, they aren't looking for that.

I agree with you there. I worked in the local PAs office and just retired not too long ago. I know felons... and some who are felons who shouldnt be. LOL! These people who doi this go way beyond our normal understanding of criminals, criminality, or "felons". Theyre empty and nothing there to rehabilitate in my opinion. Feral human beings. As you say.. ruined. YOure right, you know.

Bundy
reply to post by CardiffGiant

 

If you were attacked from behind, and nearly knocked unconscious, do you think your first thought would be about not doing too much to protect yourself? If you hit me like that, you better for real hope you get me with the first shot. Yours would too, you wouldn't even think, its life and death to you at that point, you would not worry about how much damage you caused to that "gentleman" no matter what kinda humanitarian you are.

how does me thinking a death penalty is not deserved equal not doing much to defend myself?

so its shoot them to death or nothing?

whatever.

i can protect myself just fine. i dont need a gun for it and i dont want a gun for it.
so any time someone sucker punches someone they deserve to die?

i am not justifying these peoples actions and i am not saying people should lay down. if you look at my posts in the other threads about this you will see that i say i hope people start defending themselves. with deadly force is a different animal.

i wonder though.
if someone close to you had a little attitude on them and decided to sucker punch someone and got killed for it how you would feel.
your son maybe.
you'd be fine with it?

i am not saying these people should get away with it. i hope people start to defend themselves. i hope that if/when someone gets sucker punched they lay a heavy beating on the person that did it.

to jump straight to the gun. to judge and jury. i think its heavy handed and i feel the punishment should fit the crime.
it seems that you and others think since i wouldnt shoot them that means i would just curl up and take it.
its not that way at all.

The problem is NOT that people would shoot these racists committing hate crimes playing the "Knockout Game", the problem is that people even have to CONSIDER what they would do.

The effect of these black on white hate crimes has already taken hold - and that effect is the effect that is sought by EVERY form of racism - FEAR, UNCERTAINTY and DOUBT (or as I call it when I speak on these matters "F.U.D.").

For many years, hate based racism was a control mechanism to instill F.U.D. in minorities for the net result of keeping them down. Now that equality has been achieved (and don't try to tell me that it hasn't when the leader of the free world is someone that would have had to sit in the back of the bus 50 years ago), there is a new form of racism taking hold that is rooted in violence through black on white crime. This is as wrong as racism was 50 years ago and needs to be taken as seriously and wiped out as solidly. To do that, frank open and honest discussion needs to take place and the taboos that will result in either side calling the other side "racist" need to be addressed.

As a community (Black, White, Hispanic, Asian and anyone else I missed) we need to stand together, address this together and refuse to tolerate and allow this together.

Not an easy fix, but it can be done.

CardiffGiant

Bundy
reply to post by CardiffGiant

 

If you were attacked from behind, and nearly knocked unconscious, do you think your first thought would be about not doing too much to protect yourself? If you hit me like that, you better for real hope you get me with the first shot. Yours would too, you wouldn't even think, its life and death to you at that point, you would not worry about how much damage you caused to that "gentleman" no matter what kinda humanitarian you are.

how does me thinking a death penalty is not deserved equal not doing much to defend myself?

so its shoot them to death or nothing?

whatever.

i can protect myself just fine. i dont need a gun for it and i dont want a gun for it.
so any time someone sucker punches someone they deserve to die?

i am not justifying these peoples actions and i am not saying people should lay down. if you look at my posts in the other threads about this you will see that i say i hope people start defending themselves. with deadly force is a different animal.

i wonder though.
if someone close to you had a little attitude on them and decided to sucker punch someone and got killed for it how you would feel.
your son maybe.
you'd be fine with it?

i am not saying these people should get away with it. i hope people start to defend themselves. i hope that if/when someone gets sucker punched they lay a heavy beating on the person that did it.

to jump straight to the gun. to judge and jury. i think its heavy handed and i feel the punishment should fit the crime.
it seems that you and others think since i wouldnt shoot them that means i would just curl up and take it.
its not that way at all.

I would be devastated if someone that I love and was close to me had been killed. And I would be devastated for the person that had to make that decision to save their life. I would be devastated that I failed so miserably as a parent that my kid would even do something like this. But I would understand what had to happen to save a life. I wouldn't like it, but I would accept it and forgive.

I would be devastated if someone that I love and was close to me had beaten on someone and permanently disabled or killed them. I would be devastated for that family. I would be devastated for the victim. I would be devastated that I failed so miserably as a parent that my kid would even do something like this. I would want my child to receive the proper punishment in accordance with the law for their hate crime.

It is hard to do the right thing sometimes - that is one of the biggest challenges that a parent can ever face.

reply to post by CardiffGiant

Not everyone has the ability to physically protect themselves from everyone else. In this case the aggressor is bringing the punishment on themselves, and self defense is justified for the victim. I guess that if I cannot out fight someone, then its okay in your opinion for them to randomly beat me to death, and me not be able to protect myself? Or for a 20 year old athletic male to beat a 70 year old female because they think its a fun game?

Again the law is clear here, the intent is cause “great bodily harm or death”, and you may use lethal self defense in that case to stop the aggressor.

reply to post by defcon5


I have just come up with an idea to make the "Knockout Game" more interactive - ok since the minority youth has the element of surprise, their score (a knockout) should be only worth one point. Now the potential victim should get 5 points for staying on their feet and turning the attack around with an additional potential sixth point if they then score a knockout on the attacker. Now here is where it gets interesting - 2 points are awarded to each bystander who manages to defecate on the initial attacker that they can chose to apply to their own score or the score of any attacker / defender that they see fit. Now the game should be played to say 21 in non-professional competition rounds.

See no guns needed, a fair way to handle it and a way to give these punks back some of the # that they give to the rest of us.

defcon5
reply to post by CardiffGiant

 

Not everyone has the ability to physically protect themselves from everyone else. In this case the aggressor is bringing the punishment on themselves, and self defense is justified for the victim. I guess that if I cannot out fight someone, then its okay in your opinion for them to randomly beat me to death, and me not be able to protect myself? Or for a 20 year old athletic male to beat a 70 year old female because they think its a fun game?

Again the law is clear here, the intent is cause “great bodily harm or death”, and you may use lethal self defense in that case to stop the aggressor.

edit on 12/9/2013 by defcon5 because: (no reason given)

it is a complicated thing but that said
getting beat to death is not the same as getting knocked out.

since it is everyones right to defend themselves people should learn instead of depending on guns.
is it the knockout game or beat someone to death game?

i was pretty clear when i was talking about somone sucker punching you.
that is a far cry from someone jumping on you and starting to whail on you.

and no it is not ok to hit anyone because it is fun.
i dont like violence. matter of fact i dont like to fight unless it is an agreed upon fight. i just happen to be good at it.
i guess thats just the way i went.
i dont want to be helpless if i dont have a gun. too bad so many people rely on guns to defend themselves.

if some punk clocks you and you pull a gun and then happen to miss or have the gun jam or any other number of things you probably would get beat to death at that point.

why people would not learn to defend themselves without a weapon is beyond me.

freakjive
reply to post by solongandgoodnight

 

I'm not exactly sure what's going on here. It didn't really appear to be the knockout game to me, but whatever that a-hole was trying to accomplish certainly back-fired. It was satisfying to see him get smashed. The guy taking the video might have been with the guy that got his hind end kicked. Maybe not. I cannot tell for sure. I wish there was more context. Either way...instant justice.

edit on 12/9/2013 by freakjive because: added info

It's just sad. Not satisfying at all.

I can't bring myself to "absorb" it, and take it in, the nonsense.

Let's not allow the worst among us to bring out the worst within ourselves. Just my two cents for whatever it's worth.

NAM

If you are not knocked out in one punch then most times you are then beaten by multiples. It is fact. Knife gun or car keys it is up to the victim to protect themselves. People are hit once and die accidentally in bar fights, domestics and school yards by accident all the time. It happens and in those cases they are charged. Wtf is the difference?

A deterrent is needed and right now there is reward only in posting it to liveleak or hip hop.

matafuchs
If you are not knocked out in one punch then most times you are then beaten by multiples. It is fact. Knife gun or car keys it is up to the victim to protect themselves. People are hit once and die accidentally in bar fights, domestics and school yards by accident all the time. It happens and in those cases they are charged. Wtf is the difference?

A deterrent is needed and right now there is reward only in posting it to liveleak or hip hop.

youre right about that.
it is always up to the victim to protect themselves.
its just too bad that most people cant do it unless they have a gun.

when did people stop learning self defense?
my father started me training before i was in school.

solongandgoodnight
reply to post by theantediluvian

 

the guy clearly gets waxed with a foot to the face..........this is not fake. Bizarre, but not fake.

Are you so sure?

An incident depicted in a viral video Sunday showing a woman thoroughly beat an assailant who appeared to sneak up behind her is not related to the notorious “knockout game,” authorities said.

Las Vegas Police Department spokesman Larry Hadfield told TheBlaze Monday it appears the involved individuals had contact with each other before.

“This incident does not suggest it would be related to any random incident like a ‘knockout’ type game,” he said, noting it “remains under investigation.”

COPS REVEAL CRUCIAL DETAIL IN VEGAS VIDEO OF MAN WHO APPEARS TO TRY TO ‘KNOCK WOMAN OUT’

This video is staged as I stated waaaaay back on page 2..but hey, don't let a little thing like the truth get in the way of all this entertainment.

suz62
He got what he deserved. Left on the sidewalk to bleed, unfortunately, not to death.

DonVoigt
Buahahaha that stupid a$$ jackwagon got exactly what he deserved.as I've said before the people playing this "game" should suffer mob beatings on the streets til they are dead so that the other scumbags thinking about doing this know what they have coming. Prison is not good enough for people who do this type of stuff.

RickyD
This is pretty cut and dry, if you play you should pay...with your life.

HomerinNC
Dirtbags got EXACTLY what they deserved
...wait no, they didnt, they deserved a slug in the skull for what they did

While I definitely think the guy got what he deserved, I don't think it should have gone much further than that; maybe a few more kicks to the ribs or hammerfists to the head would have been acceptable, but these people who are advocating killing someone because of an idiotic mistake they made as a young adult have some kind of seriously perverse blood-lust that is far worse than what this guy in the video did. If you seriously think that if after that guy was down, it would be righteous or just for that lady to have pulled a handgun from her purse and shot him in the head execution-style, you need to seriously reexamine your moral compass, because I assure you, it's gone haywire.

FraternitasSaturni
Now that was a well placed kick right in the kisser!

yup!!! the white guy, from the left.

dropped that dirtbag.

the lady threw some rabbit punches.

great!

funny how people got them out of there.

Krystian
The knockout game has little to do with race and more so with your physical stature, dress ect.

These kids are simply looking for someone who looks fragile and wont fight back...

The kids playing the game dont go out targeting white ppl, they just happen to run into white people who look like, for lack of a better word, p&#*#s and prey on their victim. If you are 5'7, skinny, holding a briefcase and in a suit, chances are you are not going to do some damage if you decide to fight back.

I live near a well known area where the flash mobs use to run over the last two summers in Chicago. I have personally seen them walk/run around and I just stroll through it like it's nothing. These kids are like 5'8, MAYBE 160lbs, Id say soph in HS at best.

I wholeheartedly believe If I was chosen as a suitor for this game I can with some effort of course do enough damage to a mob of 3-4 where they would need a visit to the hospital. Not out of some crazy revengeful civil justice fantasy but out of sheer physics and fight skill.

These are NOT physically imposing youth...the real gangbangers who you SHOULD fear stick to their areas and are often found on their respective corners selling whatever they are selling ultimately trying to provide for themselves. I dont think those men have time to run around playing knockout game.

edit on Dec-06:00pm3105 by Krystian because: (no reason given)

you are full of it and are you making excuses?
really?

i am not imposing but i could clean your clock if you didn't see me coming.

you can't be serious.