Just watched this video and I think Im a Satanist

reply to post by IkNOwSTuff


Well if you really want to know for sure, why don't you just summon a demon yourself? You can try Ouija Board, summoning with candles and chanting its name, going to a haunted place...

From my experience there are negative spirits out there that you can call "demons". In fact, some of them live in human bodies here with us. Do you actually think that if a Creator exists and humans have spirit that there are no demons and only angels and God? There is much more.

La'vey AND Crowley believed in demons. Crowley had one named "Lam" that he talked about and La'vey, summoned them through magic rituals in groups. Telling people that "Satanism" is "Atheism" is just a way to get them to go down that path.

What is it that draws you to Satanism and what do you wish for it to help you fulfill?

I want you all to know...

arpgme
reply to post by IkNOwSTuff

 

Well if you really want to know for sure, why don't you just summon a demon yourself? You can try Ouija Board, summoning with candles and chanting its name, going to a haunted place...

From my experience there are negative spirits out there that you can call "demons". In fact, some of them live in human bodies here with us. Do you actually think that if a Creator exists and humans have spirit that there are no demons and only angels and God? There is much more.

La'vey AND Crowley believed in demons. Crowley had one named "Lam" that he talked about and La'vey, summoned them through magic rituals in groups. Telling people that "Satanism" is "Atheism" is just a way to get them to go down that path.

What is it that draws you to Satanism and what do you wish for it to help you fulfill?

LOL

Im not drawn to Satanism or any other organised religion.

I just posted the vid due to the fact I had never heard Satanists speak about their philosophy and it was the complete opposite to what I was expecting.

From what I saw in the vid (did you watch it?) Satanism isnt a reward/punishment based system like the Abrahamic faiths, in fact its more of a set of guidelines for prospering as opposed to a religion in the conventional sense.

I agree with what they said but once again wouldnt join anything even remotely like a religious organisation

spartacus699
I want you all to know...

WTF did I just watch

spartacus699
I want you all to know...

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all it needs is a little more reverb....

joshuaislord
this is where you and many others in the so called church of satan are fooled OP.

Anton LaVey knows that an entity, an actual real demonic force does dwell in existence.
He is taught to teach others that God and Satan don't exist. To live in the now and do as thou wilt.
A former satanist branched off the church and formed Temple of Set saying it was wrong of the church to say that the Devil does not exist and that they do worship the entity. Temple of Set was made to actually worship the devil vs no devil or God at all. Behind the scenes Anton LaVey knew very well what he was doing. I believe he died on his death bed repenting... but it was too late for him.

If your gonna live thinking there is no God or Devil then you are greatly, vastly deceived. If your gonna be an atheist your better off just worshiping the devil and doing the craft. You get more perks out of it... however I rather live poor and a humble life in this time than to lose what is to come after I'm gone here.

...because, you know exctly what he knows...That opening sentence pretty much says it all, claiming knowledge of what someone else knows...the hieght of hubris...

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reply to post by bitsforbytes

Still doesn't change the fact that humans are doing the killing not religion.

Go ahead and obfuscate an otherwise obvious truth about the human experience. You can pretend there is a disconnect between thoughts and action all you want. I imagine disconnecting yourself from reality is precisely the mentality that sustains your faith to begin with. Harsh? Calling it how I see it.

Just because some humans hijacked a religion and gave it a bad rap doesn't make its teachings untrue.

Some? There is like 30,000 different Christian denominations alone. Now include all the over religions and their different sects. Which teachings are true?? When everyone claims theirs is and at the end of the day each group only offers their faith in place of evidence.

If you don't want to believe it is your choice.

What I 'want' is the truth. We merely have a different criteria for ascertaining it.

reply to post by IkNOwSTuff


exactly atheists and satanists have no concept of love

reply to post by spartacus699

exactly atheists have no concept of love

Right.

Atheist parents don't love their children.

Cold as stone.

Or maybe that's you for being unable to see they can and do love just fine.

spartacus699
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exactly atheists and satanists have no concept of love

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LMAO

If you consider that love then I guess it proves religious types will believe anything no matter how obvious that its BS

Lucid Lunacy
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Still doesn't change the fact that humans are doing the killing not religion.

Go ahead and obfuscate an otherwise obvious truth about the human experience. You can pretend there is a disconnect between thoughts and action all you want. I imagine disconnecting yourself from reality is precisely the mentality that sustains your faith to begin with. Harsh? Calling it how I see it.

Just because some humans hijacked a religion and gave it a bad rap doesn't make its teachings untrue.

Some? There is like 30,000 different Christian denominations alone. Now include all the over religions and their different sects. Which teachings are true?? When everyone claims theirs is and at the end of the day each group only offers their faith in place of evidence.

If you don't want to believe it is your choice.

What I 'want' is the truth. We merely have a different criteria for ascertaining it.

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The ultimate non idolized truth of all "that is" that is precise not exaggerated or diminished or distorted by views of the observers. . Being an observer of self without the observation distorting/changing the self seems very hard to achieve.

How do you get the non idolized truth of all "that is" without corrupting the observation with the existence off yourself as the observer? Can we really null program our selfs to see the non idolized truth of all "that is"? Are those who think they can really doing it or are they fooling themselves? Playing a thinking game that mazes themselves in?

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Being an observer of self without the observation distorting/changing the self seems very hard to achieve.

When I was in my late teens I started meditating. Meditated for about 4 years every day for about an hour each session. Never really amounted to much except feeling refreshed and not needing as much sleep.

Except for one day while meditating something very profound happened. I believe I experienced what some call Samādhi. I understood experientially what consciousness minus the distraction of mind was like. It actually terrified me and I stopped meditating after that. Guess I wasn't ready.

Quote from a website

"In absolute samadhi, in complete falling away of body and mind, there is no reflection and no recollection. In a sense, there is no 'experience' because there is a complete merging of subject and object, or a perfect recognition of already existing non-separation. There is no way of describing what is or was going on."

In ways I could describe the experience. I wasn't observing anything like we would normally observe. Like time, or distance, or light. I was aware (no thoughts) of the fullness of consciousness. Almost like I felt it, but not with my body. There was nothing but consciousness itself.

This lasted anywhere from a minute to an hour (I know because I always used a meditation CD that was an hour length).

Not sure if this kinda stuff is what you were getting at. But the point I was bringing up about religion causing violence stands. Actions arise from thoughts. Most people don't walk around in a religious bliss akin to a state like Samadhi. Instead they are subject to the same natural phenomenon of every day experience. Actions arise from thoughts. Beliefs are not benign.

The only reason satanism exists in our society is due to christian religion....
Among the many forms of satanism is the ''ritualistic'' one, which is just a mimitism of the fairytale horror stories about demons,angels etc originaly coming from the jewish kambalah.
In ancient pagan times demon or daemon (ΔΑΕΙΜΟΝ) means someone who is very intelligent, smart, or capable
And if was often used for Gods, half-gods, Heros etc.
When christianity come they teached to christians that pagans were satan worshipers and the word demon took a different
meaning... the one thats popular today.

The only real aspect about satanism is the philosophical aspect of it , any rituals or summoning demons, etc, are just idiotic and those practicing them are misguided or mentally ill, or too naive to believe in the existence of satan.

the funny thing is that when I tell people Satan doesn't exist and never did, christians get more upset than the so called satanists....
obviously they need him more, to justify their faithl

As far as the interview goes my views are as follows: The Satanists clearly seemed to be intellectually superior and by far more articulate the the Christian interviewer who kept using all kinds of fallacies and invalid arguments to defend his passive aggressive interview style. Quite embarrassing. This seems to reflect my experiences with Christians vs. everyone who isn't one...which leads me to my point: Everyone who who isn't a Christian is inevitably lumped in the Satanist category in some way shape or form anyway, such is this fact that even amongst denominations there seems to be a division of "true Christianity" and "Deceived Christianity" except no one really knows who speaks "truth".

So we're all Satanists in the Christian eye.

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Indeed. The ancient Jews called any act pray, belief, ritual to any other God than Yahweh as magic, and generally it was a huge punishable sin.
Christians took it a step further. Since in their view there is nothing more than God and Satan ,
their religion was the only truth and they worship God,
so all others must be worshiping Satan!
Doesn't even matters if you are atheist, if you are not worshiping God then you are a satanist!

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Dr1Akula
the funny thing is that when I tell people Satan doesn't exist and never did, christians get more upset than the so called satanists....
obviously they need him more, to justify their faithl

Isn't it interesting? If you don't believe as they do they get upset. These so-called Christians seek CONTROL. At least Satanists will leave you alone.

Both Zeena Schreck and her husband Nickoles Schreck are tantric Buddhists although her husband was never a member of the Church of Satan Zeena was born into it starting off with her Satanic Baptism performed by her father a carnie (carnival performer) and which she later renounced her ties to the church and to this philosophy and her family and even dropped her last name Lavey. She did this because she discovered the truth about her father, his plagarism, and grew up and found truth for herself. The interview you saw was a public attempt by the Church of Satan to try and defend its image in the wake of Satanic Ritual Abuse claims. I do not really care much for this satanist philosophy as it is certainly a ploy of disenfranchising christians and others of their Abrahamic faith it is a con of ones ability to rationalize with others that do not do as they do. YOu can shroud it all you want, but if this wasnt the case why did the highest ranking member rebuke the same church she defended for all them years, her fathers cornerstone his legacy she renounced his name as well? Sure they don't want your money not in the same sense televangelists do, but they will sell you a novelty trinket indicating your a proud member of the church. FOR A SMALL ONE TIME PAYMENT OF $200.00 you can be one of the alien elite as they call it. I do not hate Satanism or Satanists as of course they have a place here too, I just cannot say I find the philosophy or the religion appealing, I think alot of these people alot like Zeena just playing the games of a dead carney that tricked people a lot like satan would do

Tel you what: I will watch this when I get home tonight. In the meantime, I will share what I feel from my own experiences and research.

Anton LaVey (real name Howard Levey. Not too cool sounding, eh?) was surely a charlatan. They claim to not believe in satan or God or angels. They certainly have some honorable sounding doctrine and beliefs. On the surface they don't appear to be nutters or breathe fire or anything like that.

The original lie in the Garden of Eden from satan to Adam and Eve was that if we ate from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, (a symbolic act of disobedience, the tree had no powers. We have to be presented with choice in life or we are just robots) and when we do we could become like God, and be gods of our own lives. This comes from satan's own fall from pride, when as the highest created angel, wanted to take God's job, which is not available.

Now fast forward to present day. There is still the lie that we can be our own gods. Couple that with satan's greatest lie, that he doesn't even exist, and you get our crappy society. Let's refute the 9 satanic sins, shall we?


1. Stupidity: This one is just callous. Seriously.
2. Pretentiousness: Sounds good?
3. Solipsism: Violates #1. Look it up, it's a very lame theory.
4. Self-deceit: See #3. Solipsism is a lie. Most of COS doctrine is a lie, etc.
5. Herd Conformity: By using their own standards against them, COS violates this themselves.
6. Lack of Perspective: How the heck does one even gauge this?
7. Forgetfulness of Past Orthodoxies: What does this even mean? Seriously.
8. Counterproductive Pride: So...pride is good? Remember, pride goes before the fall, not just "counterproductive pride."
9. Lack of Aesthetics: So...not being good to look at is a sin. "Anton" sure violated this. Ugly duck.

Stack them up with the ten commandments, and you have ten things that protect a relationship in some way. Violating them destroys are harms a relationship. The COS may claim to not worship satan directly, and even claim he doesn't exist, but the doctrines they do espouse encourage self-worship and discourage charitable acts of kindness. The example that we shouldn't help those who can't/won't help themselves is just cruel. We should help the old widow, or the starving children. Assisting others may not benefit us in ways we can see, but at the very least, it feels GREAT to help others.

You say you are open to there being a creator, but reject the notion of an evil one. If there is a creator, and he created spiritual beings, and then humans, and now there is evil present, either he created evil, which doesn't make sense, or one of his creations chose his way was better than the creator's. Evil had to come from somewhere. Anyway, Merry Christmas.

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Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by LittleByLittle

 

"In absolute samadhi, in complete falling away of body and mind, there is no reflection and no recollection. In a sense, there is no 'experience' because there is a complete merging of subject and object, or a perfect recognition of already existing non-separation. There is no way of describing what is or was going on.

I a way you are describing what I am getting at. That the observer and the observation is not truelly separated from each other. It is part of the non duality nature of reality that all can be seen as one single whole.

Even if we seem separate you and I are at the same time connected to a degree. .

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Solipsism is actually a fairly sound consideration. For instance, can you prove to me as a fact that we are not all merely brains in jars whose worlds are composed purely of electrical stimulation from outside equipment manipulated by mad scientists aliens or whatever? Can you prove to me, as a fact, that I am not merely a brain in a jar and my whole life has been the result of such stimulation as I just described?

That's the definition of solipsism. All I know for a fact is that my mind exists. For practicality's sake, I must treat all further assumptions as though they were actual knowledge based on context.