Russia unveils scary new air to air missile that "can't miss"

reply to post by MysterX

Lol. All human involvement in real time event, i.e when this Russian missile is airborne, to
intercept it, can be rendered ineffective/
You haven't seen nothing yet.

reply to post by Zaphod58


Would a laser defense system work against this? So yes the missile will never miss ... until you fry it's sensors.

In your opinion, is there anything that can be used to jam it? What are our options? If a scenario were to be played out at this moment, what would you do to counter act this system?

reply to post by Propulsion


Jamming wouldn't work, at least not well against this. The only thing I could think of would be to use stealth as "beaters" and send them in prowling and hunting for anything that would use them. That's all we could do against it for now.

reply to post by OccamsRazor04


You don't see it coming until it's too late. You laser has to have a target to shoot at. And it they're fired in pairs, or triplets.....

reply to post by Zaphod58


Well that makes me happy that hostilities are very unlikely with Russia/China in the next several years.

reply to post by OccamsRazor04


You and me both. There's some really scary stuff with this beast, and I hope that the EW community finally gets the money they need to counter it.

Any signs they will export this beast and to who?

reply to post by crazyewok


China wants it, but it's too early in development for that still.

reply to post by Zaphod58


You do realize the USA has had this technology for over 30 years, don't you?

reply to post by CT_Flyboy


Which is why the EW folks are sitting there going "oh crap" right? Oh wait, they didn't know about it, because the MIC wanted to make more money right? Because right now the EW world is scrambling to solve this problem.

I’m not so sure this is such a scary development at least in the long run once the technology is matched it will serve as a deterrent to both sides. If you cant guarantee air superiority then you wont be tempted to poke your nose into places it doesn’t belong it’s a MAD situation.

Better not to keep rattling the pandas love shack in case papa bear sends them a new years gift

reply to post by brianporter


It's getting to the having a counter that's the scary part. Once there is a counter, and we have parity again, then this is going to level the playing field nicely. Until then however, it's a different story.

You are right, the US is spending too much on new fighter plane design and not enough on defense technology to shoot down missiles and planes. They have their head up their ... pretending to be big shots. I do not think this is the militaries fault, it is congress who appropriates the money for these projects.

reply to post by rickymouse


It's a little of both. The leadership is obsessed with stealth programs, at the cost of everything else. But it''s also Congress that's telling them they're going to buy the F-35, because of their lobby.

Zaphod58
reply to post by Propulsion

 

Jamming wouldn't work, at least not well against this. The only thing I could think of would be to use stealth as "beaters" and send them in prowling and hunting for anything that would use them. That's all we could do against it for now.

Would any of the onboard Naval Gun Systems work at all to defend against an attack?

reply to post by Propulsion


If they saw the missile, but since this is Air to Air, the chances of being near a ship that could intercept it would be slim. But if an Aegis could see it, then they would have a chance of hitting it.

After reading this thread and the link in the OP, there is no indication that this missile has ever been tested. Heck, has it even been built yet? Claims of a "near perfect PK" sound great on a shiny brochure and anybody can make them, but until this missile has shown it is capable of living up to the hype I'm calling it a paper tiger.

With that in mind, it seems as if many have forgotten that there is more limiting the effectiveness of air to air missiles than the electronics inside. Regardless of how fancy the internal circuitry and sensors are, missiles are still bounded by the kinematic factors that have plagued every missile in the history of air combat. You may be able to track your target like no other, but that is nullified when you run out of fuel or your target maneuvers enough to bleed all of that kinetic energy you've been burning propellant so long to gain.

Technology like this only gives a greater incentive to nations to further develop LO aircraft and sensors. What kind of sensitivity do you think an array only a couple inches in diameter and probably a fraction of the wattage of much larger aircraft mounted arrays will have? Successful intercepts of 4th and maybe 4++gen aircraft might be common but I doubt the K-77M will pose a much greater threat to an F-22 or F-35 than any missile that already exists.

Neat stuff though.

reply to post by Pants3204


That would be why BVR shots are rarely taken at very long range, which means they have enough fuel for maneuvering when they reach the target. Add in some other things that I'm sure are there, and you have a missile that is going to be a wicked weapon. Or, if someone were to put thrust vectoring on it, like the IRIS-T.

Yes, it has to be tested still, but the people that deal with this on an every day basis, and are aware of the potential are seriously nervous about this.

reply to post by Zaphod58


This thing will no doubt be a little monster if it ever comes to fruition. It really emphasizes the further development of electronic countermeasures and low observables, which I believe are the only ways of countering something with a tracking ability like that.

Are there any figures on the field of view (both azimuth and elevation) for the tiny array? Effective ranges? Sensitivity?