Russia unveils scary new air to air missile that "can't miss"

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


The White balance is shifting fast, in a bad way. The US tends to keep things in the Black world a lot more. There are a few toys in there that will shift things in a big way as well. But yeah, there are a few things going on that are definitely making people sit up and notice, and be nervous.

Russia has always had a lead in SAM systems, which is why the US has gone the stealth route more than anyone else out there.

Zaphod58
reply to post by IkNOwSTuff

 

Where did I say that Russia having this missile is scary? I said the MISSILE is scary, so don't even try putting words in my mouth.

Russia and China both have advanced weapons systems, all countries do. And I'm sure their pilots are just as scared of US systems, as US pilots are of their systems.

Apologies, I misunderstood and was not trying to put words in your mouth

reply to post by Zaphod58


Rubs hands and chortles. The Bedlam Family, for one, hails this new missile crisis. Something Must Be Done. Be sure to write your congresscritter.

reply to post by Bedlam


I figured you would be chortling with glee. Need a Gofer? I need a good paying, able to settle down finally, job.

(shuffles, hands in pocketses, looks up, whistles tunelessly)

As far as the Shkval goes, the generic category of cavitating torpedo has a problem with destabilization of the bubble. You'd be amazed how far away you can do that.

reply to post by Bedlam


I've always heard that there were issues with that, because of the high speed involved.

reply to post by Zaphod58


Curiosity, as I know nothing about this.

I remember reading that the US had anti missile systems that basically shoot a tiny missile, at a larger one, in order to deflect or destroy it. I believe they use them on the Abraham tanks?!

In any case, would that not be a proper deterrent?

~Tenth

reply to post by Zaphod58


They have a lot of issues making turns anyway. You need a dead straight shot too close for the target to maneuver at all.

And, of course, if the water doesn't act like you'd want, the bubble collapses and it's curtains for the torpedo. There are many ways to alter the water's behavior from bubbles to detergent, but you can also do it with a cleverly applied shock wave.

Our nuclear weapons used to be something that Russia feared. Now that Obama has been shutting them down, Russia no longer fears them.
Developments like this should scare anyone that has studied history.

tothetenthpower
In any case, would that not be a proper deterrent?

~Tenth

There are a number of problems with hitting a small, fast missile with another one. Among them, tracking a small, fast object requires a lot of radiated power and very fast processing. Getting a counter missile away and interdicting the incoming missile which is moving at Mach+ is quite difficult.

It's a pretty problem. Wait until the next generation after that hits the scene. It gets worse. Further, deponent sayeth not.

reply to post by Bedlam


Yeah, that makes total sense actually.

Another question, would laser type weapons be an effective deterrent since they would travel much much faster?!

~Tenth

reply to post by tothetenthpower


They would, but the problem becomes weather, atmospherics, and range. Several companies are working on a jamming system that fires a laser at an incoming missile. It works best with infrared missiles, as the laser blinds the seeker head and keeps it from being able to see the target anymore.

reply to post by Zaphod58


Dont think even for a second that USA has not got far superior capabilities of utilizing various technologies that mankind as a whole has not yet even conceived.

The fact that the US has not developed weapons in this context is for good reason. It doesnt mean that they cannot develop them.

I believe that the USA is just letting the Russians think they are ahead by letting them develop better weapons knowing full well they already have superior tech that can render everything useless if the SHTF!

It's called the black budget!

reply to post by combatmaster


I'm well aware of the Black Budget, but the US has always gone other routes with their weapons development. And I have several sources in that world that have all sat up, and collectively gone "Oh crap!" when they heard about this.

I was going to make a post similiar to Combatmaster, I think hes right. While many people here seem to think this is something far advanced that the US is worried about, I would bet my money that the US military has weapons far more advanced being kept in strict secrecy until the time is necessary for their use. Secret weapons that will not be shown until the circumstances require them while Russia flaunts its newly designed weapons as if to make them seem superior to the world powers.

reply to post by tehdouglas


I know they have them, but to think that Russia can't develop a weapons system that can defeat the US is both arrogant, and insane. The US has a wicked Black world built up, but they aren't the be all, end all of the weapons development world. Where do you think the information that allowed the development of the F-117 came from (here's a clue, go to Alaska, and turn left).

junglimogli

Zaphod58
Russia has unveiled a new Air to Air missile based on the R-77 (AA-12 Adder), which is the Russian equivalent to the AIM-120 AMRAAM used by the West.

What makes this one scary is that the chances of a miss have just dropped to almost 0. The K-77M replaces the mechanically scanned array with a miniature AESA antenna, with "large number" of digital array cells, which allows the radar to be adjusted several thousand times a second.

A traditional antenna can be defeated by making a hard turn just before the missile gets to the target, so the target leaves the radar beam scanning area. This antenna would be able to keep lock on a target no matter how hard it maneuvers, and can theoretically keep lock on a target 40+ miles away.

Another scary thing about this is that the US has nothing even close to this. US missile development has dropped off to almost non-existent, while just upgrading the missiles we have. The largest part of the R&D budget goes to fixing the F-35, and the LRS-b program.

By combining two existing technologies, Russian engineers have devised what could be the world’s deadliest air-to-air missile. And the U.S. military doesn’t have anything like it … or adequate defenses.

Designers at the Detal bureau, part of the state-owned Tactical Missile Munitions Corporation, added an active electronically-scanned array radar—a so-called “AESA”—to the nose of a long-range R-77 missile to produce the K-77M model. Thanks to its new guidance sensors, the K-77M is way more accurate than other missiles.

How accurate? Flying 40 miles or more, the K-77M should be able “to maintain lock on even the most agile maneuvering target,” according to one scientist and defense specialist in the Pacific region whose country’s laws prohibit him from speaking on the record about weaponry. In light of the scientist’s expertise, War is Boring agreed not to publish his name.

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This because the US is focusing on laser technology weapons for the past few years.
Laser precision is more dangerous than missile precision.

Doesn't Russia lead in that field of tech also? I'm sure they do.

reply to post by Viking9019


The US has pretty well caught up. Russia had a lead, but after 1989 their production and development went to crap. This gave the US a chance to catch up to them.

reply to post by Bedlam


The super-speed torpedo has another problem from what I've read. It's very fast...very accurate..and very straight. As in...maneuvering isn't going to work well. It's an ambush weapon, more than a stalking and hunt type, IMO.

Put something that can fire it into the Strait of Hormuz for instance...or actually the approach to it, and make sure it's line of fire is down the bearing a U.S. carrier takes in and out for the port at Bahrain. Then wait for one to come into the preset area. That seems what it's good for....and real dangerous for. Just not so much for traditional sub-sub fighting or fast changing situations.

Still, that strikes me as quite a thing in the right situations.

Zaphod58
reply to post by combatmaster

 

And I have several sources in that world that have all sat up, and collectively gone "Oh crap!" when they heard about this.

I dont doubt it. But that aint the 'world' i was referring to.

There is more... the fact that you and your sources dont know about that world is the point i was making. Not even the POTUS knows. Thats why world powers still get busy developing tech that is (in humanity's eyes) superior to other nations' tech.

Im not saying that there are actual physical developments being prepared for a SHTF situation. But i do believe that the knowledge and capability to develop tech that would push humanity up to a type 1 civilization (possibly in under 30 years) is in existence and in the hands of a very few who choose not to release it to the public. And rightly so, I should add!