Iran enrichment capacity expanded dramatically on Obama's watch

reply to post by IkNOwSTuff

Personally I think I prefer Iran having the Bomb to Israel and the US

I sure, as Hell, don't!

Over a period of many years, both Israel, and the United States, have demonstrated an extreme lack of willingness to use nuclear weapons. The same can't be said for Iran.

See ya,
Milt

reply to post by BenReclused


You think so? Prove it. Where has Iran shown any willingness to use nuclear weapons? Please don't give me any sources originating from Israel, of course they are claiming this. I want an independent source that verifies that Iran wants to use nuclear weapons on other countries.

reply to post by Krazysh0t


You sound like a parent saying not my child.

reply to post by AutumnWitch657


Care to elaborate on that beyond one sentence? You know like the T&C states you should do? Or am I supposed to be a mind reader?

reply to post by Krazysh0t


Personal problem? What? Opinions are personal problems? In any case, I addresse that all needs to be addressed & if I missed anything it's already been covered by other posters in this thread.

reply to post by Krazysh0t

You think so? Prove it. Where has Iran shown any willingness to use nuclear weapons? Please don't give me any sources originating from Israel, of course they are claiming this. I want an independent source that verifies that Iran wants to use nuclear weapons on other countries.

You are, intentionally, misrepresenting what I said:

Over a period of many years, both Israel, and the United States, have demonstrated an extreme lack of willingness to use nuclear weapons. The same can't be said for Iran.

If you feel that THE SAME CAN BE SAID for Iran, I'd like to see YOUR justification for that.

See ya,
Milt

reply to post by BenReclused


Ok, well there is no way to know truthfully if Iran is willing to use nuclear weapons or not until they actually have them, unless they come out and say that they will absolutely use nuclear weapons if they get them. Anything else could be interpreted as a lie. HOWEVER, I would be willing to say that since another radical Muslim country, Pakistan, shows responsibility with them, then Iran could be trusted with them. So unless you have physical proof that Iran would indeed be willing to use nuclear weapons if they got them, then I'd say you don't have an argument. This is what I was getting at when I first responded to you.

P.s. Why did you quote yourself with a link back to the original quote? I'm perfectly capable of scrolling up to the top of the screen and rereading what you wrote. It's not like your two posts appear on separate pages or anything... In fact it looks like you are trying to post proof for your argument (which I had hoped you were) only to be sent back to the top of the page.

SLAYER69

What more could he have done? Invade yet another country?

No, invaded no one

SLAYER69
Meanwhile, I think we the people of planet Earth should really try to reduce the amount of these types of weapons instead of supporting this or that country in the expansion and proliferation of such weapons simply based on a tit for tat mentality.

Well invadeing, drone striking and economicaly ruin Iran and other countrys isnt exactly going to indear anyone to that way of thinking, just create more hatered.

crazyewok
Well invadeing, drone striking and economicaly ruin Iran and other countrys isnt exactly going to indear anyone to that way of thinking, just create more hatered.

Yeah and Iran is as pure as the driven snow eh?

Everybody has skeletons in their closet.

EVERYONE.

Trueman
reply to post by Krazysh0t

 

Obama is not a bad president because he is democrat. Bush wasn't a bad president because he is republican.

You are joking right? For the love of god I hope you were fooling around. If not, I prescribe to you, 50 more years of ONLY reading ats... no, no snacks.

SLAYER69

crazyewok
Well invadeing, drone striking and economicaly ruin Iran and other countrys isnt exactly going to indear anyone to that way of thinking, just create more hatered.

Yeah and Iran is as pure as the driven snow eh?

Everybody has skeletons in their closet.

EVERYONE.

But all that says is that denying a country nuclear weapons based on ideologies is hypocritical since even the denier has skeletons in their closet.

SLAYER69



Yeah and Iran is as pure as the driven snow eh?

Everybody has skeletons in their closet.

EVERYONE.

And?

Iran isnt exactly on my list of places to live. But I dont see why it has to be the whipping boy of the ME, Saudi Arabia and Isreal are a hell of a lot more sinister. I dont see why the USA has to blockade and threaten Iran? It not doing any good anyway and I just dont see the threat to the west from them.

reply to post by crazyewok


Yes, Yes, Yes, Iran Screams Victim, Israel Screams Victim, the Saudis Scream Victim.

Lather, Rinse, Repeat.

reply to post by SLAYER69


Yes, or the American Government could just stay the hell out of other countries' problems.

SLAYER69
reply to post by crazyewok

 

Yes, Yes, Yes, Iran Screams Victim, Israel Screams Victim, the Saudis Scream Victim.

Lather, Rinse, Repeat.

And?

Why does the USA or the west in General have to involve itself in those silly games?

Let the ME deal with itself I say.

reply to post by Krazysh0t


You know, I completely agree. Now, turn that discerning eye towards the other trouble makers of the world. The European continent and the ME (not to mention Russia] are just chalked full of others many here seem not willing to acknowledge as well?

There is enough blame to go around. There are no victims just protagonists on all sides.

reply to post by SLAYER69


They should stay out of other countries' business too, but it isn't our business to make sure that they do either. We can (and should) only watch ourselves.

reply to post by Krazysh0t


That's exactly what many here TRY to discuss, All too often though the topic gets flooded by one side or the other CRYING victim and justification.

Meh...

I think the nuke-scare is a convenient excuse. What Israel truly fears, is that Iran is allowed to unleash its economic potential. Iran has all the ingredients for becoming a major economic player. Its population is double that of Saudi Arabia and is well educated. They have abundant natural resources. The worlds third-largest oil reserves, second-largest gas resverves (or something ). The potential is there and the sanctions are working just as intended.

I think Iran realized that having nukes doesn`t make you a global power, as seen with NK. China became a world player by growing their economy.

They will not allow Iran to become a regional player.

Krazysh0t
reply to post by SLAYER69

 

They should stay out of other countries' business too, but it isn't our business to make sure that they do either. We can (and should) only watch ourselves.

Here's the deal with that - when run properly, a country looks out for its own national interests, and these days, those interests are rarely confined to just within your own borders. What happens abroad will affect you, too.

For example, what would happen to us if China's economy were to suffer a catastrophic collapse? Where would we get all our cheap stuff?

Or alternately, what would happen to us if Canada and Mexico, or two biggest suppliers of foreign oil, were to suddenly stop supplying us for whatever reason?

Things in this world no longer happen in a vacuum and that's why you see all these nations (including us) crying and pointing fingers at each other. We all look out for ourselves, and we all are playing against each other.