Self Evident. Proof of Twin Tower CD = Remote Controlled, Swapped-in, Military Drone Aircraft on 9/1

reply to post by NewAgeMan


The aircraft was in a dive prior to impact. It dove down from altitude, and leveled off prior to impact. It's in all the videos. So what you're saying is that the only way for it to go that fast, without breaking up is to be modified into a "monster plane". So what, "do not exceed" means "If you go one knot over that speed, your plane will instantly fly apart"?

reply to post by Zaphod58


I edited a bit, here's my reply.

NewAgeMan

No it's not just that question, (you're so sneaky), which demonstrates just how far or by how many orders of magnitude the observed performance of the south tower plane exceeded that of an UN-modified Boenig 767 commercial airliner, given the speed and altitude (where such a thing ie: break up, would be not only possible but a likely scenario), but one also, if the plane could hold together, of piloting and control at that speed (575-600mph), and altitude (700 feet - @ sea level basically). Furthermore, it was retaining that speed at level altitude, without slowing down in any way.

reply to post by NewAgeMan


The pull out was easy enough to do, it was fairly gentle. And what, you think that they're going to level off, and instantly drop below the speed accrued in the dive? They had a couple of seconds between level off, and impact. That's not enough time for the speed to drop off.

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reply to post by Zaphod58


(I need to find the full length video somewhere for that)

Re: Speed
Speed Cont'd

reply to post by NewAgeMan


Exactly. It levels off just before impact.



You can clearly see them diving down. ATC even says "He dropped 800 feet in like one sweep." Which means he was clearly diving down.

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leostokes
If it were a controlled demolition.

As it was not a controlled demolition, your claim is just silly.

What was not a controlled demolition?

reply to post by Zaphod58


What software was used for that sim? Just curious.

reply to post by NewAgeMan


It's a non-official simulation based on the ATC/radar data. The important part of it is the ATC recordings. They clearly say that the plane was diving.

reply to post by NewAgeMan




17:00 mark you can hear them talking about an unknown target south of the city, descending.

I didn't say that it approached from a long distance, at level flight, I know that it, "the plane", came from a dive, it doesn't change the dynamics involved however, as it relates to a commercial Boeing airliner, as well as the ability of the alleged "hijacker" to control the plane, as seen, and recorded by radar.

586mph or getting on 500 knots, at 700feet altitude or sea level for all due purposes, by a "hijackers" who wasn't quite as "good" or as well trained and competent at the helm, according to the 9/11 Commission Report, as Hani Hanjour, the alleged pilot of "flight 77".

And you, as a pilot, back it all up, all the way down the line? Have you ever flown a "heavy"?

A young Hani Hanjour.
A young Hani Hanjour. [Source: FBI]

October 3, 1991-February 1992: Hanjour Is First 9/11 Hijacker to Enter US

Future 9/11 hijacker Hani Hanjour first arrives in the US on October 3, 1991. [US CONGRESS, 9/26/2002; 9/11 COMMISSION, 7/24/2004, PP. 520] Some media accounts have him entering the country in 1990. He apparently is the first hijacker to enter the US. [TIME, 9/24/2001; COX NEWS SERVICE, 10/15/2001; NEW YORK TIMES, 6/19/2002] He takes an English course in Tucson, Arizona until early 1992. There are some important al-Qaeda operatives currently living in Tucson. However, it is not known if Hanjour has contact with them at this time, or even when he first develops his radical militant beliefs. According to Hanjour’s eldest brother Abulrahman, Hani stays in Arizona for three months then returns to Saudi Arabia, where he spends the next five years managing his family’s lemon and date farm. [WASHINGTON POST, 10/15/2001] FBI Director Robert Mueller also reports his stay as lasting three months. [US CONGRESS, 9/26/2002] However, the FBI tells one person that Hanjour may have stayed in the US for as long as 15 months. [WASHINGTON POST, 9/10/2002]
Entity Tags: 9/11 Commission, Hani Hanjour, Federal Bureau of Investigation
Timeline Tags: 9/11 Timeline
Category Tags: Hani Hanjour, Possible 9/11 Hijacker Funding

Spring 1996: 9/11 Hijacker Hanjour Stays in Florida

9/11 hijacker Hani Hanjour, who returned to his native Saudi Arabia after a previous stay in the US (see October 3, 1991-February 1992), now arrives in the US for the second time, and will spend much of the next three years in the country. Hanjour first stays in Miramar, Florida with a couple that are longtime friends with Abulrahman Hanjour, his eldest brother: Adnan Khalil, a Saudi professor at a local college, and his wife Susan. Susan Khalil later remembers Hani Hanjour as socially inept, with “really bad hygiene.” She says, “Of all my husband’s colorful friends, he was probably the most nondescript. He would blend into the wall.” The Washington Post later reports: “Hanjour’s meek, introverted manner fits a recurrent pattern in the al-Qaeda network of unsophisticated young men being recruited as helpers in terrorist attacks. FBI agents have told people they have interviewed about Hanjour that he ‘fit the personality to be manipulated and brainwashed.’” Yet, Susan Khalil says, “I didn’t get the feeling that he hated me or hated Americans.” Hanjour, she says, “was very kind and gentle to my son, who was 3 years old.” He prays frequently, at their home and at a nearby mosque. After staying for about a month he leaves the Khalil’s, having been accepted at a flight school in California (see April 30-Early September 1996). [ASSOCIATED PRESS, 9/21/2001; ST. PETERSBURG TIMES, 10/2/2001; WASHINGTON POST, 10/15/2001; 9/11 COMMISSION, 7/24/2004, PP. 226] Many of the hijackers will later live in this part of Florida. A nearby mosque is run by radical imam Gulshair Shukrijumah, who possibly associates with Mohamed Atta and Marwan Alshehhi in 2000 and 2001 (see 2000-2001 and May 2, 2001). [NEW YORK TIMES, 3/22/2003]
Entity Tags: Gulshair Shukrijumah, Hani Hanjour, Adnan Khalil, Susan Khalil
Timeline Tags: 9/11 Timeline
Category Tags: Hani Hanjour, Hijacker Visas and Immigration
April 30-Early September 1996: Hani Hanjour Studies English in Northern California; Enrolls at Aeronautics

Academy

Hijacker Hani Hanjour moves from Florida to the San Francisco Bay area in California, staying with an unidentified family. He lives with them from late April to early September. For most of this time he takes English lessons in an intensive program requiring 30 hours of class time per week, at the ELS Language Center at Holy Names College in Oakland. He reportedly reaches a level of proficiency sufficient to “survive very well in the English language.” Yet in 2001, managers at an Arizona flight school will report him to the FAA at least five times, partly because they think his level of English is inadequate for him to keep his pilot’s license. Due to his poor English, it will take Hanjour five hours to complete an oral exam meant to last just two hours (see January-February 2001). At the end of this period, Hanjour enrolls on a rigorous one-year flight training program at the renowned Sierra Academy of Aeronautics, in Oakland. However, he only attends the 30-minute orientation class, on September 8, and then never returns. [CBS 5 (SAN FRANCISCO), 10/10/2001; SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICLE, 10/10/2001; ASSOCIATED PRESS, 10/11/2001; CAPE COD TIMES, 10/21/2001; STAR-TRIBUNE (MINNEAPOLIS), 12/21/2001; ASSOCIATED PRESS, 5/10/2002]
Entity Tags: Hani Hanjour, Sierra Academy of Aeronautics
Timeline Tags: 9/11 Timeline
Category Tags: Hani Hanjour, Alleged Hijackers' Flight Training
October 1996-December 1997: Hani Hanjour Twice Attends Scottsdale Flight SchoolEdit event
In late 1996, hijacker Hani Hanjour attends CRM Airline Training Center in Scottsdale, Arizona for three months. This is normally adequate time to earn a private pilot’s certificate, but Hanjour fails to accomplish this. [LOS ANGELES TIMES, 9/27/2001] Duncan Hastie, the school’s owner, finds Hanjour a “weak student” who is “wasting our resources.” According to Hastie, “He was not able to fly solo in a small plane, which is equivalent to getting out of a parking space [in a car] and stopping.” Hanjour returns to CRM in December 1997 with two friends: Bandar Al Hazmi, a Saudi like Hanjour, and Rayed Abdullah of Qatar. (There apparently is no family relationship between Bandar Al Hazmi and the two Alhazmi 9/11 hijackers.) Hanjour takes about three lessons, but still fails to complete the coursework necessary for a license to fly a single-engine aircraft. Subsequently, he phones the school about twice per year requesting more lessons, but, according to Hastie, “We didn’t want him back at our school because he was not serious about becoming a good pilot.” The final time Hanjour calls, in 2000, he requests training on a Boeing 757: the kind of plane he is alleged to have flown into the Pentagon on 9/11. [NEWSDAY, 9/23/2001; LOS ANGELES TIMES, 9/27/2001; CHICAGO TRIBUNE, 10/2/2001; CAPE COD TIMES, 10/21/2001; AVIATION INTERNATIONAL NEWS, 11/2001; WASHINGTON POST, 9/10/2002]
Entity Tags: Rayed Abdullah, Bandar Al Hazmi, Duncan Hastie, Hani Hanjour, Scottsdale Flight School
Timeline Tags: 9/11 Timeline
Category Tags: Hani Hanjour, Alleged Hijackers' Flight Training

October 1996-Late April 1999: Hani Hanjour Associates with FBI Suspects..

More: www.historycommons.org.../11_hijackers=haniHanjour

reply to post by NewAgeMan


So, a Boeing can't dive down and exceed operating speeds without major upgrades? Planes can't exceed their operating speeds without falling apart?

And Hani Hanjour was working on a 737 type rating. He had 50 hours ground training, as well as hours in the simulator. He rented a number of small planes, flying them solo.

911myths.com...

reply to post by Zaphod58


Have you yourself ever flown a "heavy"? Just curious.

Zaphod58
reply to post by NewAgeMan

 

He rented a number of small planes, flying them solo.

911myths.com...

I didn't know that. That he did manage to rent and fly, solo. And some simulator time oh my.

Which is why I guess it made him the "top gun" Boeing pilot as far as the 9/11 Commission was concerned, and presumably in your opinion as well.

reply to post by NewAgeMan


And yet again, you insist on putting words in people's mouth, and don't see the hypocrisy.

Where has anyone said he was a "top gun"? He barely managed to hit the Pentagon, and was horribly uncoordinated going through that turn. His flying in the 757 was all over the place.

reply to post by NewAgeMan


My experience is irrelevant.

Zaphod58
reply to post by NewAgeMan

 

My experience is irrelevant.

Hani Hanijour it is alleged turned 330 degrees dropped 7,000 feet at 400+ mph.

Question: why did he not just fly straight into the Pentagon, do you think?

Zaphod58
reply to post by NewAgeMan

 

And yet again, you insist on putting words in people's mouth, and don't see the hypocrisy.

Where has anyone said he was a "top gun"? He barely managed to hit the Pentagon, and was horribly uncoordinated going through that turn. His flying in the 757 was all over the place.

You missed the point. It ("top gun") was an obviously sarcastic remark directed at the idea that he was considered by the 9/11 Commission to be the best trained, the most qualified, capable and competent of the hijackers, which then brings us back to the alleged would be hijacker supposedly at the helm of the plane that flew into the south tower.

It's about the effects on the aircraft at such low altitude, and speed, both as it relates to airframe integrity as well as controlled flight.

For the purposes of this thread, the fundamental premise is founded on proof of the subsequent CD of the buildings and working backward.

But, even setting that aside, in simply examining the attributes of the aircraft, by itself, it becomes apparent that it so far exceeded, by orders of magnitude, the performance envelope specs for the regular (unmodified) commercial Boeing airliner, that it MUST have been a modified or retrofitted military aircraft that's a variant or modification of the original model, with hardened surfaces, advanced avionics (including remote piloting hardware) and more powerful engines, yes.

It was not and could not have been a regular Boeing 767-200 commercial airliner being flown by someone with comparable skills to Hani Hanjour, at best. No.


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reply to post by leostokes


Because it was the easiest way to hit the building. Diving straight down is guaranteed to miss, and all the other sides of the building were blocked. By flying over and visually acquiring the building then turning and dropping he made sure he would hit.

reply to post by NewAgeMan


So please, tell me how much a plane can exceed it's performance numbers. One knot? Two knots? For how long. You're so locked into the "can't do that" that you refuse to believe that a plane can EVER go past it's performance envelope and survive. I've already proven that the plane wasn't flying straight and level that fast by brute power, or for very long, which means that a standard commercial plane could have done this.

If you want to prove that it was a "monster plane" then please prove that a commercial plane can't EVER exceed it's parameters without instantly blowing apart.