Woman has heartattack - everybody stands there filming!

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I have seen the majority of people that frequent the Trafford Centre. Not all, but the majority, they present a good argument FOR euthanasia! or at least sterilization. I believe this proves it.

reply to post by jrod

No...I think the mentality is pretty much the same in the North here. What I do see arriving on-scene of an emergency is always 3-4 people announcing first aid/cpr training and if it was me who was called, I quickly and gently move them away...unless they are a physician. Then I take 2nd chair to him/her...even if I was called.

Many times its first-come-first-wins the spot. Other than that, its just tuning out all the folks standing around...comments, observers, camera clickers and cell-phone videographers. All of which, can be distracting....but you just learn to stay focused.

mysterioustranger
Well? Only 1 person at a time can perform CPR

I was thinking the same, if everyone crowded her it would have been worse. Or a worse situation as it was happening anyway.

Not much a crowd can do if someone is doing something, but if no one was helping then that's just sad.. what I thought it title meant too.

It's still rude as hell to record someone like that tho..

Is this any different from this?

World star

Apologies that it is on world star. However the same applied, group come across a tragic event, First reaction, film it.

elysiumfire
mylifeoutthere:

Right now, I personally hate the human race.

It's understandable, but you need to try to check that 'hate' for your own sanity. I personally despair at the mindset displayed by many people. The indifference can be staggeringly harmful, and the apathy is a breeding ground for appalling exploitation and cynicism.

Even some of the comments on this thread seek to provide an excuse for not acting when one's conscience says that you should. Any empathetic person would act if there was a possibility of keeping the woman alive long enough for the paramedics to reach her, but the filming of her is an indictment of the society of indifference we have become.

I have utterly lost faith and confidence in people to do what is both right and necessary, and I tend to behave towards them in the manner in which they display their mindset. No matter what words people use as they communicate with me, only their actions tell the truth, and you only ever give anyone, man or woman, one chance, and one chance alone. If they mess up, by all means...forgive, but still get rid of them from your life. Let no one err twice towards you.

Give nothing of yourself to anyone unless you know for certain they will reciprocate in kind, and never empower anyone above yourself through your desires or needs. Help others when you can, expecting no reward, and take none. Never be obligated or obligate others.

Couldn't agree more eFire

I'm not religious and watch in amazement at the followers of all those man made controlling religious texts HOWEVER the 'do to others what you would have done to yourself' resonates a lot with me...... A guide guide to social interaction I think..

RGDS

PDUK

mlifeoutthere
This is what society has become, its all about being soul-less robots OBSESSED with `video sharing` and twitter and the latest gossip, and by and large not giving a crap about one another.

You just hit the nail on the head, and a seriously huge pet peeve of mine. Many people are so concearned about how many "likes" they'll get, it's like the only thing on their minds the majority of their waking life. They could care less if they see an accident as long as they get it on tape.

There was a story a few years ago that happened locally here. An elderly woman came running out of her home on fire. I think she had an accident with her gas stove if I'm not mistaken. As she's running around burning to death, people either just drive / walk by or are filming it. Finally, two people helped her but by then, the damage was done and she died.

I don't like what the world became after the early 2000's. I'll just say that now. Both in how we use tech, our government(s), and how callous people have become in general.

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i could not agree with you more! w.t.h!! "oh look! look at that elderly old woman. she appears to be having an issue. let's film it! what? you want us to actually call 911 to help on our phone instead of filming? where's the entertainment value in that?" disgusting people. we have become increasingly soul less. earlier in the week i started a thread on a 73 year old alzheimers patient who got out and was wandering around the neighborhood, lost, late at night. old man was not violent, yelling, causing damage, etc.. he just knocked on a persons door in their yard. the man inside the house called the cops, then handed the phone over to his girlfriend while he he got his gun and went out and shot the man. all the while, girlfriend was on the phone with the police! the responses on this site, especially from two posters, basically cheered the man for shooting an unarmed elderly man! "man was in that man's yard. old man deserved to be shot!"

reply to post by mlifeoutthere


sad strory bud i know the area i worked a bit in that area and around mad chester years ago .

but i have noticed more in the last ten years that if confronted with a problem most adults fold like paper and seem unable to deal with a few monor problems and stand around like sheep waiting for somebody to do something .

the children are no better brainwashed with video games /drugs/tv/music and have the care factor of 0 with this world .

lucky she never ended up in a care home they are been shut in record number for killing people or been not fit for purpose 2 have closed near me for that reason .

we are on the deck of the titanic as it goes down

People who have no life will watch others as they live their own lives. Or deaths, in this particular case.

The majority of people in this world now live in a small mental cage.
The others protect them. The police, the government, a spouse or parents.
Someone else provides them with food, clothing and shelter.
Other people provide them with entertainment.
Other people tell them what to do and think.
They are told how to dress.
They are told how to act.
They are told who to hate and who to like.

Most people are not much more than loosely programmed automatons.

They don't see other people as being of any real value or importance because they haven't been programmed to think or feel anything for others beyond mild contempt.

This is the progress that humanity has made in the last half century.

Observation-Old lady is dying.....Reaction-film it or it didn't happen.....put it on facebook and gush about how ...like...she was totally dying...OMG!...gotta go! the Walking Dead is on right now...

People want to see the zombie apocalypse?
Go to the mall.

First of all, the States DOES have a good Samaritan law. You can NOT be successfully sued for trying to help someone, so long as you don't do something crazy or harmful (like a tracheotomy )

There is actually a law here in Washington Staet that can get you in trouble for NOT helping. This happened after people did exactly what the OP is complaining about. Walking on by, or worse yet, acknowledging but not helping.

As to only one person being needed for CPR: Obviously, you have never done CPR. Two people performing this (at a time) is better, and they will need to switch out at least every two minutes. Also, If there is an AED (hopefully) that requires a third. Any responder will tell you that you want at LEAST six people on a CPR call, and even then, you can usually use more.

Better yet...put some of those gawkers to use; ask them to stand in front of you and block the view of the other gawkers. or....to start recording THEM violating someone's privacy at the ultimate most vulnerable time of their lives. That someone would do this is completely disgusting.

I worked as a security/medical officer at a casino once. My opinion of the human race took a big hit...but not quite as big as when I worked as a dispatcher. I have seen both the best and worse in people and it is not something that is easy to deal with.

Kudos to you and your parents for helping the poor lady, and please know that it is not your fault she didn't survive. The national average is 1/10 survival for cardiac arrest. (3/10 in Washington state and 5/10 in King County (Seattle) )

The fact that you DID do something is commendable and I am sure it would mean a lot to her family to know that someone tried to help her.

westcoast
There is actually a law here in Washington Staet that can get you in trouble for NOT helping.

We have that same law, didn't stop people from trying to get "likes" though. I guess getting a "like" is worth watching someone die and going to prison.

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Oh thanks for that. I honestly just believed my instructor when he told me that. It made sense at the time with all the sue-happy people that live down there.

reply to post by mlifeoutthere

If there were a few compassionate individuals, your ”...parents, and a couple of other people...”, who actively attended to this poor woman and did what they could to help her, then I can half-way understand why others might stand back to keep out of the way. Regarding the gawkers, well, it seems people have always shown this sort of morbid curiousity around accident sites, etc. I don’t know what it is that people derive from viewing the pain and misery of others, but whatever it is it seems to be one of those sick, hideous human traits that evolved long ago; long before technology advanced. So, this is nothing new.

What galls me is the thought of all those mindless idiots standing around taking pictures. It’s cold, heartless and disgusting. I imagine those fools then shared the wealth and showed their prized pics to their other brain-dead buddies.

At this point, I must confess, I have a rather dim view of humanity. And, yes, I realize I’m a member of that group, as well. I truly wish that weren’t the case, but after a lifetime of observing this sort of behavior and worse, I guess I’ve become a bit negative and cynical when it comes to human affairs. My faith in Mankind is right about nill. We’re a self-serving, greedy and ruthless lot, and will likely devour our own kind in the end. Too bad, our future could be so bright if we weren’t so damned stupid and short-sighted. I imagine our lack of wisdom to control our technology will inevitably do us in. It’s a cryin’ shame, if you ask me, but it’s hard to keep a positive outlook in light of all the cruelty and inequality rampant around the world.

Funny, when I think of those morons standing around snapping pics of some poor, elderly woman in her death throes, I imagine them to be like a gang of monkeys cheerfully playing with their new iPhones. Then again, maybe I’m giving them too much credit.

Anyway, mlifeoutthere, I share your sentiments. What a shame...

superman2012
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Isn't it legal in the US to sue someone if they try to save your loved one and fail or hurt them in the process of saving their life? The laws make people this way.

Just as it is in Canada, the United States and the several States have a Good Samaritan law, but they vary from State to the State; as in Canada where it varies from province to province.

In Canada, we have the Good Samaritan Act which would protect us in the event that we caused harm while trying to save a person's life. In fact, when I took my First Aid, we were told not to help anyone that didn't specifically request our help if we are in the USA.

This isn't quite true. While you should at least get consent, someone who cannot give that consent verbally due to an ailment, can be implied.

On that note, don't go to New Brunswick as they do not have such legislation to protect you from liability claims...

This has nothing to do with camera phones. This has been going on forever. How else do explain the Coliseum or the crowds that would gather for public executions. For an even more apt illustration look at the Kitty Genovese case.

reply to post by mlifeoutthere


Do you know how to handle such an emergency once the ambulance has been called? If so, that's great, but most people don't!
Would you have some young people try to help, because that's what a good person does, and possibly worsen things, because they're completely clueless?
You say a couple of people came to help. What good would it do if everyone just rushed the scene? Most people have no idea about what to do in a situation like that, and 1-2 people is plenty to follow basic instructions from a phone, till the ambulance arrives.
Standing and staring isn't helping, but it also isn't doing harm. The phone part is just a new phenomenon, people always liked to stare, before smartphones, social media and even before the Internet. Blame curiosity, if anything.

Also, being overwhelmed with a situation and resorting in something you know isn't some evil deed, so give these people a break. Yeah, it would be nice if everyone knew CPR, but can you blame people for not knowing everything?
Considering these points, there really is no reason to create one of these "muh broken society" topics.

Humanity has hit a new low with that... disgusting .. despicable act to stand there filming the woman as she died of heart attack.. hope she comes back as a vengefull ghost and haunts them.. hearing things like that world needs reboot without humans ...

It seems to me that over time we have separated ourselves from the reality of death. We no longer share our homes with the bodies and bones of our ancestors nor do we lay out our loved ones after death in our living rooms.

Gathering en mass to watch fights to the death or packing a picnic lunch and heading of to the hanging is no longer a part of our reality for the most part. I'm not implying that we should go back to these last two but I wonder if our natural curiosity has curled in on itself and what we are left with is this voyeuristic urge to capture the moment.

Penny

Wrabbit2000
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We've become a society full of sick voyeurs. It's an addiction I think, and an illness. Like the rubber neckers at a horrible car crash..but 10x's worse.

Tsk, Tsk, Tsk, my learned friend.

How quickly we forget the Colosseum of ancient Rome and I'm pretty sure there were cheering sections while the Aztec and others throughout history did their sacrifices to their gods etc.

SLAYER69

Tsk, Tsk, Tsk, my learned friend.

How quickly we forget the Colosseum of ancient Rome and I'm pretty sure there were cheering sections while the Aztec and others throughout history did their sacrifices to their gods etc.

You're right, we're still as uncivilised as they were.