Billboards Declare Prayer, Bibles Not Helping Disaster Victims

reply to post by undo


How does Atheism devalues a human life? or looks at Humans as animals?

reply to post by zillah


I think the whole concept is great. And again, I was impressed that they sent mobile hospitals, water, food and medicine over there first. They seem to be a bunch who will walk the walk.

reply to post by network dude


Well I am not knocking groups that are actually helping I am not commenting on other efforts going on besides those effected by the typhoon in this tread either this isn’t really against religion because if you look at the recommended organizations they linked to send help one is the Red Cross which has religious ties. The main issue is getting the needed funds and help to those who need it and not diverting it to things for proselytization in a country that’s already in the top three of the world as being catholic. The organization is not saying don’t give they want you to give but they would like you to give to organizations that will provide the relief needed by those effected not just the type of relief you or a church would like them to have. You don’t send ice to Eskimos of course you can and you can even expect them to be thankful for it but that doesn’t make your expectations realistic.

Stormdancer777
reply to post by Grimpachi

 

Well it has been my experience that many religious organizations find sympathy for just about everyone but when it comes to atheists not so much.

I am sorry but I find that hard to believe since the message is specifically for those that don't believe.

How does one spot an atheist?
Do the atheist announce themselves?

lol, really?

they will announce themselves.

religious orgs, do not care, what you believe.

Grimpachi
The main issue is getting the needed funds and help to those who need it and not diverting it to things for proselytization in a country that’s already in the top three of the world as being catholic. The organization is not saying don’t give they want you to give but they would like you to give to organizations that will provide the relief needed by those effected not just the type of relief you or a church would like them to have.

Just because many of them already are believers doesn't mean that Bibles and rosaries aren't appreciated. It's very uplifting, in times of trouble, for a Christian to be able to open his or her Bible and read passages that might raise their hope and spirits. It renews their faith in God and the Son.

Grimpachi
reply to post by network dude

 

Well I am not knocking groups that are actually helping I am not commenting on other efforts going on besides those effected by the typhoon in this tread either this isn’t really against religion because if you look at the recommended organizations they linked to send help one is the Red Cross which has religious ties. The main issue is getting the needed funds and help to those who need it and not diverting it to things for proselytization in a country that’s already in the top three of the world as being catholic. The organization is not saying don’t give they want you to give but they would like you to give to organizations that will provide the relief needed by those effected not just the type of relief you or a church would like them to have. You don’t send ice to Eskimos of course you can and you can even expect them to be thankful for it but that doesn’t make your expectations realistic.

ya think??!!!!

proselytizing in the Philippines?

who and what would only give bibles to disaster victims?

zillah

Grimpachi
The main issue is getting the needed funds and help to those who need it and not diverting it to things for proselytization in a country that’s already in the top three of the world as being catholic. The organization is not saying don’t give they want you to give but they would like you to give to organizations that will provide the relief needed by those effected not just the type of relief you or a church would like them to have.

Just because many of them already are believers doesn't mean that Bibles and rosaries aren't appreciated. It's very uplifting, in times of trouble, for a Christian to be able to open his or her Bible and read passages that might raise their hope and spirits. It renews their faith in God and the Son.

looks like they lost their bibles and everything else, in the typhoon.

they would need and want another.

tsingtao
looks like they lost their bibles and everything else, in the typhoon.

they would need and want another.

My point, exactly. Just because atheists don't understand that want/need Christians have for a Bible, doesn't mean that want/need doesn't exist.

reply to post by undo


Since you used Stalin earlier let’s do a decent comparison of monsters from that era. Both Hitler and Stalin were both deplorable human beings they were motivated by different things. One was a stone cold statist that didn’t believe in deity’s the other a self-proclaimed Christian who thought he was chosen by god and was doing god’s work. Stalin wound up killing many more people than Hitler but there is no doubt in most historians minds that if he won the war he would have tried to concur the world purging all who didn’t fit into his belief of a supreme race. Hitler was drug addled and delusional but there is no doubt he had faith if you examine his own writings, upbringing, and how he equated himself with biblical figures. I know most Christians try to claim he wasn’t one however that always seems to happen with self-proclaimed Christians that embarrass the church. Fact is all Christians are sinners and what determines if you’re Christian or not is what is in your heart. He believed he was doing everything for the greater good. It has been said the Pope of that time could have prevented much bloodshed by speaking out against him but didn’t. Its history now. Claiming Stalin killed because of atheism is the same as claiming Hitler killed because of Christianity. They both had to justify their actions to themselves and somehow they managed to do just that.

So which is better?

Answer: Neither.

People have to have morals and morals don’t come from a book. They come from your upbringing your ability to feel empathy and the societal norm. Every culture has had morals every one figured out killing, stealing and hurting others is wrong. The bible didn’t corner the market on morals that’s for sure. Don’t kill (anyone from your tribe) don’t steal (from your tribe) all equal (in your tribe) it goes on and on like that. Stateism is just as bad there isn’t anything good about it. If someone needs stories to find morals though there are plenty of books out there and philosophy of most cultures throughout the ages has supplied many examples. Personally I like basic Buddhism, reincarnation but that’s a preference.

zillah

Grimpachi
The main issue is getting the needed funds and help to those who need it and not diverting it to things for proselytization in a country that’s already in the top three of the world as being catholic. The organization is not saying don’t give they want you to give but they would like you to give to organizations that will provide the relief needed by those effected not just the type of relief you or a church would like them to have.

Just because many of them already are believers doesn't mean that Bibles and rosaries aren't appreciated. It's very uplifting, in times of trouble, for a Christian to be able to open his or her Bible and read passages that might raise their hope and spirits. It renews their faith in God and the Son.

What help exactly did they get from Bibles and beads and wishes when what they really need is food, water, shelter, medical help, money for everything, etc.? Prayer only helps the one praying feel good about doing nothing. Last I checked prayer was free you didn’t need a bible to be religious.

Oh never mind we are going in circles. Your comment is almost exactly the same as someone else’s which I responded to thoroughly.

Next will be someone commenting on the cost of the billboard. Reading the entirety of Ops has become rare even rarer has been those who actually read the pages in the thread before posting. It gets boring answering the same questions. I will be back later today to read replies.

reply to post by Grimpachi


Don't forget...Hitler was an Occultist...not an atheist.

-Peace-

Grimpachi
Next will be someone commenting on the cost of the billboard. Reading the entirety of Ops has become rare even rarer has been those who actually read the pages in the thread before posting. It gets boring answering the same questions. I will be back later today to read replies.

I actually asked you, in my first post to point out, specifically, where Atheists.org donated to the Philippines disaster. But you ignored that.

Where are the reports of what Atheism.org donated to the Philippines disaster? I see on their page that they take donations, so somewhere there must be a statement of where that money goes.

I clicked on the donation link provided in the article. On their page, instead, one gets whisked away to a page that provides a trio of disaster relief aids - Humanitist, Red Cross and Medecins Sans Frontieres.

So, instead of doing their own part (because they do take donations), they choose to attack people who, even if they didn't agree with the donation, did, in fact, donate? It seems to me that these billboards are nothing but their own personal agenda, out to prove Christians misguided and wrong and uncaring.

reply to post by OpinionatedB

Maybe because Atheists seem to be so full of hate they cannot appear to live and let live. Its my business what I do with my money, its others business what they do with theirs. Atheists seem to think they can dictate to others what to do..

maybe that is why there is such a lack of "sympathy"

I don't think that's a fair assessment, OB. I spent a major portion of my life as a serious Christian. I ran into more than my share of hateful, bitter, resentful Christians, who saw anyone outside of their faith as human garbage. (It's amazing what people will tell their counselor and elder in the church.)

As one who is now an atheist. I went through a short time with a chip on my shoulder toward Christianity as a whole. There are members here who can testify to that. In all honesty, I've run across no atheists, face to face who feel hatred or disdain toward Christians. And neither do I. However, I do still feel the same way I did about the leadership of the Christian church. I used to be among them, and I know they are a pack of wolves. There are few good ones. And I tried to be one of them.

My point being, some of the disdain from atheists and Christians alike toward the other side is because they won't stop and remember the people they're hating on are humans with dreams, desires, hopes, and feelings, just like everyone else.

I see an agenda in this renewed push for atheism across the country. And I don't like what I'm seeing. No good can come out of it, and I'm not so sure the people behind it are genuine atheists. I'm hoping to do a thread on this in the near future.

reply to post by Grimpachi


I did get your point and I agree with you. I did just want to share that bit I heard the other day as it was something positive to help a really bad situation. Fake Christians exist, and you don't have to be religious to be a good person. I just cannot help but wonder if the 3-400$ per month that bill board costs might have been better spent as direct donations to the Red Cross or some worthy organization.

I get why Christians would try to sell their side. They have churches to build and maintain.
I just don't see what an Atheist has to gain by advertising. (honest question)

Grimpachi
reply to post by ghostfacekilah00

 

The billboards did not cost the organization or its donors. So the message was posted without cost which means that's more money they can contribute to the cause.
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After losing everything but the clothes on your back nothing feels up a stomach, provides shelter overhead, or keeps you warm like a bible and rosary. End sarcasm.

I don't have any problem with the ones actually helping but diverting money for bibles and rosaries is not helping and I doubt that 99% of the people who donated that money through those organizations thought it would be used that way.

edit on 26-11-2013 by Grimpachi because: (no reason given)

Yeah I don't think you understand how billboards work. You have to pay a monthly fee for the billboard space. I'm guessing you're trying to make it seem like this atheist group spends 100% of its funds on disaster relief? Yeah right.

hitler was an occultist of the new age variety. he was a fan of helena blavastky, most famous for a series of books outlining how the new world order should be accomplished, and a member of a group i forget the name of now... oh yeah, the vril society. he also believed in evolution and thought humans were animals, who had evolved to their peak in the caucasian race, particularly scandanavian races. because he had spiritual interests, he was more of a believer in norse religion, so when he said "god," he meant maybe thor or odin. whether he thought they actually existed or were merely archetypes, i dunno. war is the ultimate goal for a viking, so they can travel to valhalla in the afterlife and be greeted as a hero. instead of 72 virgins maybe they get 72 valkyries hehe . anyway, i don't really think people know as much as they think they do about world history or about hitler. he was stark raving mad.

but that's neither here nor there as the point i made was, if you degrade the value of a man to that of an animal, you run the risks of hitlers and stalins.

reply to post by network dude

I just don't see what an Atheist has to gain by advertising. (honest question)

And it's a good question. I think we have more than one mindset at work here. You have the typical atheist, who really has no interest in spreading the "gospel" of atheism across the world. Mainly, because atheism has no gospel. Then you have those atheists I've talked about before, who have determined it's time to come out of the closet, and be accepted for their non-belief in an overwhelmingly majority Christian nation. They're tired of the heathen, godless, stereotype, and being "oppressed" by the majority. However, even these are not usually activist, just a bit more outspoken. Then it seems we have a group that are "hell bent" on not just being accepted, but they want to diminish religion as a whole, in favor of a godless society. They're radicalist humanist in their views. To me, this is not atheism. It is something else altogether. Unfortunately though, because of their actions, this will become the definition(stereotype) of atheism.

reply to post by undo

but that's neither here nor there as the point i made was, if you degrade the value of a man to that of an animal, you run the risks of hitlers and stalins.

I think you have a valid point here, undo. At the same time, even animals have "rules" that allow them to live together without killing each other to extinction. The same goes for humans. It is the understanding that, as a society, if we are to survive, there must be a certain amount of followed etiquette that allows us to live and benefit together as a group.

Having said that. I may be an atheist, but I'm not convinced we are soulless animals. I suspect there's more than meets the eye to our existence. So I guess you might say I'm an eclectic atheist. lol.

reply to post by Klassified


in humans, the functional psychopaths always climb to the top. so if you equip the psychopath with the belief that humans are merely animals that can be treated however the gov sees fit, you end up with 50 million dead in the ussr, and millions of intellectuals dead in cambodia and who knows how many dead in china, and whatever hitler's death toll was at, on top of the 6 million jewish people he had murdered.

in fact ,one of the things the bolsheviks did, right off the bat, was kill all the people with expertise and educations.

reply to post by Grimpachi


None of those things help one bit.

They can just shove it; less to worry about.

Thank you for this thread.

s&f