Angola Bans Islam - Destroys Mosques

reply to post by dava6711


Correct its more about preferential treatment but I feel that for them its about us being Christians in essence or not being Muslim..whichever

reply to post by phyllida


I don't see it as unfair to compare....

First, in the UK the "sharia zones" or whatever those were do you even know who instigated those and how many people were actually behind it?

That was instigated by a WHITE BRITISH convert to the most radical sect of Islam that exists today... he was not born Muslim, he did not even have any religious knowledge of Islam and Muslims were against him and his little gang of converts who wanted a ruckus caused, from the first day he started that crap.

Muslims were appalled at what he was doing, and the consensus in the Muslim community was that he was working for your government in an attempt to create strife between average British peoples and average Muslims...

and a political agenda has nothing to do with the wahabbis you say? That is the only thing the wahabbis care about is the political agenda.... so you CAN compare them to other religious groups who do what they do for political agenda....

reply to post by OpinionatedB

I don't think you can use the Boston Marathon bombing in your argument.

First, these were Chechnyan's pissed off at Russia so bombing the US simply doesn't make any sense whatsoever, then add to that, the alleged bombers themselves were executed and never had the ability/opportunity to speak in their own defense or even to their own reasoning if it did happen to be them that did it, and you have a basic conundrum.

To entirely too many people, they are all equally worthless and there is no distinguishing between Radical or Normal Muslims... From Chechen punks vs. Wahabi extremists.

The level of hateful ignorance is really scary and says a lot about how far our level of society is falling. When hate and ignorance take the place of reason and sound logic.....Well? They called it the Dark Ages the last time this happened to society as a whole, at the end of the Roman Empire. Looks we're following the path a second time.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


I know, and I agree...

The Angolans can do as they wish it's their country afterall

I believe in freedom of religion

but I don't believe that any "religion" who oppresses women and treats them as subhumans should be classed as a religion of anything !

My cousin who is white from Canada of Scottish decent , lives as an English teacher in Vietnam
who converted to Islam to marry a Chinese girl when he lived there for 5 years , he then left China
and lived in Malaysia in Jakarta was then asked to leave by the Canadian embassy because of Islamic riots against white Christians in the country even though he attended mosque on the daily

he fled to Vietnam and is still a Muslim.

I have alot of muslim friends in Scotland , but they arent 100% dedicated to their religion as they drink , smoke and gamble so are more modern western muslims I dont know what that suggests about muslims in scotland

reply to post by Wrabbit2000

Sorry Wrabbit but alleged ignorance and hate go both ways

The West has been extremely tolerant and bends over backwards to accomodate most if not all peoples. We have had in drummed into us for years just what rotten people we white folks were and how we must change and how we must accept and how we must be tolerant and understanding...seems it doesn't go both ways however.

I'm sick to death of people playing on the white guilt trip in order to get their own way

If the West was so bloody bad immigration would cease to be a problem!

OpinionatedB
reply to post by phyllida

 

I don't see it as unfair to compare....

First, in the UK the "sharia zones" or whatever those were do you even know who instigated those and how many people were actually behind it?

That was instigated by a WHITE BRITISH convert to the most radical sect of Islam that exists today... he was not born Muslim, he did not even have any religious knowledge of Islam and Muslims were against him and his little gang of converts who wanted a ruckus caused, from the first day he started that crap.

Muslims were appalled at what he was doing, and the consensus in the Muslim community was that he was working for your government in an attempt to create strife between average British peoples and average Muslims...

and a political agenda has nothing to do with the wahabbis you say? That is the only thing the wahabbis care about is the political agenda.... so you CAN compare them to other religious groups who do what they do for political agenda....

Bingo!
A bit like Adam Gadahn, real name Adam Pearlman, the press hyped "American Al Qaida" who is really a good Jewish boy and grandson of a highly placed member (now retired) of the ADL.

As I said in a previous post, there is a lot of misdirection at play by the government and it's various agencies and people really need to stop and think before joining any group and voicing support, or opposition. It's all simple psyops aimed at keeping people divided and distracted, and sadly it seems to work in a lot of cases. Groups like the EDL don't just pop up with funding for the buses to transport members and all the nicely printed placards and t-shirts, without having someone provide those funds. As with most things these days, follow the money!
It wasn't so very long ago that a British police officer was outed as being a deep cover infiltrator in the anti-war movement. This practice is more rampant than many people think.

reply to post by phyllida


No one should be or feel "guilty" for being white. That is equally stupid.

The problem that most people from other countries have is with the governments, and those political problems became a useful tool for political extremists all the way around..on both sides of the fence.

reply to post by Britguy

Can someone please explain why Governments allegedly want the people divided? Surely that is the complete opposite of what they want. Far harder to control a divided public. I've never quite understood that concept when its been suggested seems pretty pointless

phyllida
reply to post by Britguy

 

Can someone please explain why Governments allegedly want the people divided? Surely that is the complete opposite of what they want. Far harder to control a divided public. I've never quite understood that concept when its been suggested seems pretty pointless

Simple really. If we were all united, we become a threat to their power, as we all speak as one and not necessarily in support of them. They thrive on creating division and it also helps to support the theatrical politics, when in fact the leaders of both main parties are chosen by the very same highly placed financial elitists.
Think about it for a moment. Despite decades of political theatre and the main parties slagging off each others policies, when did an incoming government roll back or nullify the unpopular legislation put in place by the previous government?

Lurker1

 

The answers to your questions are yes, yes, and yes. I'm happy to see someone has the courage to send a message to the Muslims.

Yes, we all know that it is best if someone else is sending message to Muslims as long as they can't do any harm to you. But what about religious minorities in countries where Muslims are majority?

In all your wisdom, don't you think that this can 'green light them' to 'clean' their own country and send a message to those Christians?

This is in my opinion stupid and oppressive move. It is like committing genocide just because other side did/does the same.

Don't get me wrong, I would love if ALL religions get banned, as I never was able to see that 'great good' from religions. All I see is centuries of wars, killings in name of * (any of religions) and suffering of common humans, while few on top lived in all luxury.

reply to post by Britguy


ahhh doh! feel stupid now! Clearly I'm not conspiratorial enough

reply to post by phyllida


www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by OpinionatedB


ta dear I will have a read..although I wasn't aware actually that false flag events were designed to divide the people I thought they were more of an experiment on the human psyche or just an excuse to create fear to pass legislation or go to war or whatever the agenda of the day was

As far as Angola is concerned they can surely do as they please in their own country however I hope they have considered the repercussions as no doubt there will be plenty.

reply to post by SuperFrog


it isn't religion that's creating wars. it's human societies. for example, stalin was the worst dictator in human history, created a purely atheistic society, and the western elite knew how bad he was, while he was doing it, and they hid it from us for 60 years. and this wasn't a case where he just went out and killed 20,000 of his citizens like saddam. he killed millions. last count was around 50 million of his own people, 15 million or so, he starved to death in their own homes. look up :stalin starved the ukraine" on youtube. he was several times over, worse than hitler, and was doing it at the same time hitler was up to his schenanigans and our press never said a word. instead they collaborated with communists and socialists, which we are seeing the results of now. they let us know about hitler though.

then there's that bastion of western revolutionary thought, the french revolution, that ended up with huge amounts of people being guillotined who were actually members of the revolution in the first place. it didn't just go after people it thought might be on the wrong side, it ended up eating its own.

then there's pol pot who killed people if they wore glasses or had an education.
and let's not forget mao's chinese revolution.

reply to post by phyllida


they are a marxist state. repercussions don't worry them too much. they are already on amnesty international's list for some of the worst human rights abuses in the world today...

too bad people with 'western' ideals are cheering them on.

Just a note again. Islam is not banned. It just has never been recognized by the Angolan goverment thus can not build churches or schools. In theory anyway. It is not just Islam it is any religion or sect that has less than 100,000 adult members. 85 sects are currently recognized with about 1000 on a waiting list. Mostly they are local religions along with Catholics and a few of the larger global Protestant sects. The rest however like Islam are not allowed to build churches etc. Islam is about 10,000 adults from meeting the requirement. These rules have been around for decades and mostly have to do with the Civil war.

By only allowing a small number recognized sects the Goverment has greater control over them and can easly pull recognition if they get to anti government. So you ask, how did the Muslims gets mosques, the evangelicals get churches etc. that they are now all getting thrown out of? Well that is sort of the way it works. You pay local officials to look the other way and they do. After awhile you have lots of illegal churches everywhere and then you get the backlash and they are all shut down. Then it all starts again. So if you are Muslim, a Jew, a Hindu, a Buddist, a Southern Baptist, a Mormon, an Evangelical etc. your religion is banned in Angola. Sort of.

reply to post by MrSpad


that place must be a trip. sorta reminds me of the stories of china's laws regarding religion. your holy texts can't have anything subversive in them, according to chinese thought of what is and isn't subversive. bibles are edited, and ideas, words and thoughts removed that might encourage believers to rise up against the government. even the pastors and priests, are officially approved, and have officially approved sermons and services. you can't have a bible study at home, and no church services at home. if you're caught doing this, you go to prison.

same idea?

i know!

let's all move to tibet.