Does God and his --- Obey or Die law--- say that Christians are to be slaves forever?

Does God and his --- Obey or Die law--- say that Christians are to be slaves forever?

If not, when does your slavery to God or Satan end?


In a discussion of God’s murder of Adam and Eve, a Christian said the following.

“My understanding is that they were created innocent with the hope of the reward for life if they obeyed and the consequence of death if they didn't.”

What this Christian said I believe is true Christian dogma and tradition.

I believe that it basically shows Christians with characters or egos that want to be or will settle for perpetual slavery.
As Paul says, be a slave to sin or a slave to God.

My reply was basic and true to his, ---- Obey or die, statement.

“IOW. Be my slave and do as you are told or die.”


If true, then who in their right mind would or should ever want to be a Christian?

Do Christians want to be free men and women or slaves to a God who creates us ill and demands we be well, ----- or suffer his punishment of death?

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Was man created to be a slave and to obey or die?

The sin of Eve and Adam was to decide to be educated and wise instead of just slaves to ignorance.

Were Adam and Eve murdered by neglect by a callous God just because they wanted their eyes opened and to exercise the free will that Christians say God gave us?

The Christians God and his --- Obey or Die --- says that Christians are to be slaves forever.

If not, when does your slavery to God or Satan end?

Regards
DL

The greatest laugh on the diety is that we are going to die anyways....what a crock of control mechanisms.....
be sure and tip the priests on the way out........................

I've always thought it amusing how the Abrahamic gods, or at least the followers of them, are so bent on the whole getting sent to Hell thing.

I mean, if someone doesn't even acknowledge that mythology as having any kind of legitimacy, where instead they pay homage to Marduk, Odin, Krishna, The Great White Buffalo, whatever may be the case, then Hell plays no part in their choice of life faith in a mythology and faith in whatever afterlife mythology is attached to such choices.

The Christians seem pretty bad about this too.
At every turn Hell is hanging over their heads.
They try to sell you Life Eternal, and all you have to do is BE A CHRISTIAN, but, low and behold, once you're a Christian, simply being a Christian is NOT ENOUGH. You're then required to jump through all sorts of theological and philosophical hoops to continue what was suppose to be a guarantee of Eternal Life, but, nope.

Turns out it's the old Mafia Protection racket. Not only did you buy into Heaven, but, you also get Hell thrown in for free.
Keep jumping through the Christian Hoops, paying the Christian Dues, living the Christian Life, and so long as you're Christian ENOUGH you'll still (maybe) get to heaven, but, oh, if you ever turn away ... that's some eternal hell fire.

Greatest I am
Does God and his --- Obey or Die law--- say that Christians are to be slaves forever?

If not, when does your slavery to God or Satan end?


In a discussion of God’s murder of Adam and Eve, a Christian said the following.

“My understanding is that they were created innocent with the hope of the reward for life if they obeyed and the consequence of death if they didn't.”

What this Christian said I believe is true Christian dogma and tradition.

I believe that it basically shows Christians with characters or egos that want to be or will settle for perpetual slavery.
As Paul says, be a slave to sin or a slave to God.

My reply was basic and true to his, ---- Obey or die, statement.

“IOW. Be my slave and do as you are told or die.”


If true, then who in their right mind would or should ever want to be a Christian?

Do Christians want to be free men and women or slaves to a God who creates us ill and demands we be well, ----- or suffer his punishment of death?

www.youtube.com...

Was man created to be a slave and to obey or die?

The sin of Eve and Adam was to decide to be educated and wise instead of just slaves to ignorance.

Were Adam and Eve murdered by neglect by a callous God just because they wanted their eyes opened and to exercise the free will that Christians say God gave us?

The Christians God and his --- Obey or Die --- says that Christians are to be slaves forever.

If not, when does your slavery to God or Satan end?

Regards
DL

edit on 24-11-2013 by Greatest I am because: (no reason given)

God is the creator of the universe who exists outside of it space and time..... HOW CAN GOD MURDER ANYTHING?
If that's the case you committed murder when you edited your post and deleted key strokes. How many innocent stickman drawings have been murdered???? Where is their justice?

No one is Gods slave you have freewill and your mind and body belongs to you. The soul is by default a gift offered from God but the soul belongs to God he already gave you a mind and body to do with as you please. If you choose the gift of eternal life it is of your own freewiil.

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You are either a slave to the flesh or a slave to spirit.


Acting on impulses of lust, wrath, and envy are all forms of the labors of the flesh.
The fruits of The Spirit are love, peace, and joy.

You could do both, but you will not be faithful loving one more than the other.

But most Christians would argue that serving God forever doesn't qualify as slavery because it's more like an eternity spent in fellowship.

In my personal opinion, sounds droll and monotonous and enough to put me asleep for a few thousand years. But there are people who think they would enjoy spending forever singing praises and constantly kissing up to God. To each their own, I guess.

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I have recently been reading an online version of the Apocrypha it is my understanding that God makes a covenant with adam that he and his future offspring (mankind) will be taken back to the garden of eden 5500 years after Adam and Eve's exile well the righteous ones will anyway lol but he seems quite a demanding God not sure most of us will make it but hey theres always a small chance i suppose

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5500 years already passed.
It's a false prophecy.

Look at the Jewish calender based on the old testament and see what year we are on NOW.

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I did not say i believed it for I do not was merely using it to answer the original posters question and yes that time passed long long ago by whatever calender you use

AliceBleachWhite
I've always thought it amusing how the Abrahamic gods, or at least the followers of them, are so bent on the whole getting sent to Hell thing.

I mean, if someone doesn't even acknowledge that mythology as having any kind of legitimacy, where instead they pay homage to Marduk, Odin, Krishna, The Great White Buffalo, whatever may be the case, then Hell plays no part in their choice of life faith in a mythology and faith in whatever afterlife mythology is attached to such choices.

The Christians seem pretty bad about this too.
At every turn Hell is hanging over their heads.
They try to sell you Life Eternal, and all you have to do is BE A CHRISTIAN, but, low and behold, once you're a Christian, simply being a Christian is NOT ENOUGH. You're then required to jump through all sorts of theological and philosophical hoops to continue what was suppose to be a guarantee of Eternal Life, but, nope.

Turns out it's the old Mafia Protection racket. Not only did you buy into Heaven, but, you also get Hell thrown in for free.
Keep jumping through the Christian Hoops, paying the Christian Dues, living the Christian Life, and so long as you're Christian ENOUGH you'll still (maybe) get to heaven, but, oh, if you ever turn away ... that's some eternal hell fire.

edit on 11/24/2013 by AliceBleachWhite because: (no reason given)

And do lest we forget, it is stated that the vast majority of even the believers will end in hell because of the narrow path to heaven. J W say just 144 thousand of the billions upon billions that will and have dies over time.

God is such a loser of souls.

Regards
DL

SasquatchHunter

Greatest I am
Does God and his --- Obey or Die law--- say that Christians are to be slaves forever?

If not, when does your slavery to God or Satan end?


In a discussion of God’s murder of Adam and Eve, a Christian said the following.

“My understanding is that they were created innocent with the hope of the reward for life if they obeyed and the consequence of death if they didn't.”

What this Christian said I believe is true Christian dogma and tradition.

I believe that it basically shows Christians with characters or egos that want to be or will settle for perpetual slavery.
As Paul says, be a slave to sin or a slave to God.

My reply was basic and true to his, ---- Obey or die, statement.

“IOW. Be my slave and do as you are told or die.”


If true, then who in their right mind would or should ever want to be a Christian?

Do Christians want to be free men and women or slaves to a God who creates us ill and demands we be well, ----- or suffer his punishment of death?

www.youtube.com...

Was man created to be a slave and to obey or die?

The sin of Eve and Adam was to decide to be educated and wise instead of just slaves to ignorance.

Were Adam and Eve murdered by neglect by a callous God just because they wanted their eyes opened and to exercise the free will that Christians say God gave us?

The Christians God and his --- Obey or Die --- says that Christians are to be slaves forever.

If not, when does your slavery to God or Satan end?

Regards
DL

edit on 24-11-2013 by Greatest I am because: (no reason given)

God is the creator of the universe who exists outside of it space and time..... HOW CAN GOD MURDER ANYTHING?
If that's the case you committed murder when you edited your post and deleted key strokes. How many innocent stickman drawings have been murdered???? Where is their justice?

No one is Gods slave you have freewill and your mind and body belongs to you. The soul is by default a gift offered from God but the soul belongs to God he already gave you a mind and body to do with as you please. If you choose the gift of eternal life it is of your own freewiil.

So Peter was lying then was he?

How can a slave to God have free will? A & E did not have it or the first time they did their will and not God's he threw his fit and murdered them by neglect.

Regards
DL

arpgme
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You are either a slave to the flesh or a slave to spirit.


Acting on impulses of lust, wrath, and envy are all forms of the labors of the flesh.
The fruits of The Spirit are love, peace, and joy.

You could do both, but you will not be faithful loving one more than the other.

"wrath, and envy are all forms of the labors of the flesh".

God has shown his wrath quite often and he is certainly envious of all the other Gods so are you saying God is of the flesh?

Regards
DL

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I think he murdered them by more than neglect allow me to explain.

He takes them out of the garden and strips them of their immortality he places a lifespan on them that in itself is a willful act of murder he may not have shot them or stabbed them through the heart so not murder in that sense but still murder

AfterInfinity
But most Christians would argue that serving God forever doesn't qualify as slavery because it's more like an eternity spent in fellowship.

In my personal opinion, sounds droll and monotonous and enough to put me asleep for a few thousand years. But there are people who think they would enjoy spending forever singing praises and constantly kissing up to God. To each their own, I guess.

edit on 24-11-2013 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)

Fellowship usually includes reciprocity. One who perpetually serves and is never served back cannot say that he is in fellowship with the other. He is subservient to him. Right?

Regards
DL

coldlikecustard
reply to post by Greatest I am

 

I have recently been reading an online version of the Apocrypha it is my understanding that God makes a covenant with adam that he and his future offspring (mankind) will be taken back to the garden of eden 5500 years after Adam and Eve's exile well the righteous ones will anyway lol but he seems quite a demanding God not sure most of us will make it but hey theres always a small chance i suppose

So we should all line up to be slaves just so that we can all have a lottery's chance to get into heaven.

# those odds man. I prefer to keep my freedom and pride.

Regards
DL

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You are either a slave to the flesh or a slave to spirit.


Acting on impulses of lust, wrath, and envy are all forms of the labors of the flesh.
The fruits of The Spirit are love, peace, and joy.

You could do both, but you will not be faithful loving one more than the other.

Always has to be one extreme or another, eh? Never a balance between the two as we learn more about each and accept the elements of both within ourselves. We must always be denying either our past or our future. If we accept the animal physicality of our mortal coils, we feel we are forsaking the higher functions we are developing in our heads. If we yearn for the barely definable sensations we call love and hope, if we seek to compose ourselves with the thousand shades of these emotions, we forswear the material nature of our world and surrender ourselves to the void. The coin that is forever caught between the feud of two faces, neither of which care to consider the fact that they are each the backside of the other. But when the sides work together, the coin balances on edge! The point being, if the two sides do not work together, there will always be a disgruntled party on the bottom ready to stab the party on top.

In our quest to find direction and meaning, we've given ourselves over to barreling recklessly in circles in the thoughtless hope of finding our prize sooner rather than later. Because above all, we're impatient. And we want it now. This is why I am not convinced that we know what we're trying to leave behind, let alone what we're looking for. Motion provides the illusion of progress, and so long as you content yourself with moving in circles forever, you'll never see the end. Have a peek at my signature. That's why I chose it.

coldlikecustard
reply to post by Greatest I am

 

I think he murdered them by more than neglect allow me to explain.

He takes them out of the garden and strips them of their immortality he places a lifespan on them that in itself is a willful act of murder he may not have shot them or stabbed them through the heart so not murder in that sense but still murder

No argument my friend.

Regards
DL

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I could not agree more sir!

reply to post by Greatest I am

Fellowship usually includes reciprocity. One who perpetually serves and is never served back cannot say that he is in fellowship with the other. He is subservient to him. Right?

Making my arguments for me! Bravo! Yes, I do agree. There is a reason that if ever I desire salvation, it will not be the Christian salvation. There are several reasons, actually, but this is one of them.

AfterInfinity
reply to post by arpgme

 

You are either a slave to the flesh or a slave to spirit.


Acting on impulses of lust, wrath, and envy are all forms of the labors of the flesh.
The fruits of The Spirit are love, peace, and joy.

You could do both, but you will not be faithful loving one more than the other.

Always has to be one extreme or another, eh? Never a balance between the two as we learn more about each and accept the elements of both within ourselves. We must always be denying either our past or our future. If we accept the animal physicality of our mortal coils, we feel we are forsaking the higher functions we are developing in our heads. If we yearn for the barely definable sensations we call love and hope, if we seek to compose ourselves with the thousand shades of these emotions, we forswear the material nature of our world and surrender ourselves to the void.

In our quest to find direction and meaning, we've given ourselves over to barrelling recklessly in circles in the thoughtless hope of finding our prize sooner rather than later. Because above all, we're impatient. And we want it now. This is why I am not convinced that we know what we're trying to leave behind, let alone what we're looking for. Motion provides the illusion of progress, and so long as you content yourself with moving in circles forever, you'll never see the end. Have a peek at my signature. That's why I chose it.

edit on 24-11-2013 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)

Yep. Seems like the Christian way and God's way is ---- my way or burn. So to speak.

Regards
DL