Best...Sandy Hook...Video...Ever.

reply to post by The GUT


John Woodall.

Aside from the already noted Baha'i ties, the angle appears to be this:

Despite the conventional wisdom that when TSHTF, it's all gonna be cannibal gangs and mayhem, the data shows that people are more likely during a crisis to come together, to help one another out. To cooperate, and to put the needs of others first.

You have exceptions like Katrina, but for the most part, crisis galvanizes masses of humans into unity like no other force.

Video 5: From Newtown to a New America: creating a culture of peace: We find ourselves in this unusual position of being the focus of the attention of the nation. People want change. They want something better in the way we speak to each other as Americans. There is an opportunity in the horror we have experienced to raise the level of discourse in the country. This video introduces that idea.

Read more: www.johnwoodall.net...

An opportunity, indeed. If they're working on bottling the effect produced by mass trauma-- the bonding, the setting aside of religious and political differences, and the spontaneous systems it often generates--they'd want to do it with all variables controlled.

Moreover, if they wanted to find out how to extend that effect past the survivors and to the observers, well... it would suffice to merely stage an event.

I guess it maybe didn't shake out as was hoped.

HeluvaStorm

TKDRL
reply to post by jaws1975

 

Seriously..... "My kid was just shot dead at school yesterday, let's see if we can get interviewed for national television" Who the hell thinks like that? No one I know, that is for sure.

Yet, this is exactly what was done by some of the parents. This is what led to so many people questioning the lack of emotions displayed by the parents.

This is what I don't understand. The school teacher goes on tv that very night, the day of this tragedy and can sit there and talk about it as if it happened a year ago. This woman acts as if it were something that she was recounting from memory that happened months ago, not that very day.

bottleslingguy
reply to post by bigfootgurl

 

What do you get ... people walking around in circles.

so 26 people slaughtered, no blood, no bodies and a bunch of random people walking in and out of the building in a circle? and don't throw in the "maybe it was cold" argument, sounds like you're making things up

reply to post by Eidolon23


note to self: don't espouse any religious dogma no matter how it is packaged because the people who design the package most likely have a "control" agenda

ItCameFromOuterSpace
No one has ever been able to properly explain why Adam Lanza looks exactly like an alien gray. Was he a known entity that went mad? Perhaps that is the coverup. I wonder about ufo activity in the area.

In an age of cell phone cameras, ipod cameras, tablets, and web cams built into computers, I find it hard to understand why we only have these very few, old looking photos of Adam Lanza. And there are only a small few of his mother Nancy. The photos of Adam look old and outdated.

This absolutely seals the deal for me:

google image search for Christmas tree sale:


Behind fire station DURING THE INCIDENT:




THOSE ARE CHRISTMAS TREE RACKS BEHIND THE STATION! Roughly 25-30 trees I can count

Sounds interesting. Sadly I cannot watch it due to claimed copyright infringement, probably some music that was used. I take it the video has been posted not too long ago? So whoever holds those copyrights has been reacting very quickly, as there are still a bunchload of full movies on youtube that you can watch, even though they are clearly in violation of copyrights, yet nobody seems to care. Seems like the authorities have been pointed to... erh... found this one pretty fast...

Aisling
In an age of cell phone cameras, ipod cameras, tablets, and web cams built into computers, I find it hard to understand why we only have these very few, old looking photos of Adam Lanza. And there are only a small few of his mother Nancy. The photos of Adam look old and outdated.

That's actually quite easy, just avoid these morons who film everything 24/7 and you won't get photographed. Also don't post any pictures of yourself on the internet (aka common sense) and don't use a webcam either. For example I think the last photo taken of me was a few years ago for a new passport, except those of various security cameras in shops of course. My last 'public available' picture is from my highschool graduation as well, which was long ago.

I have never replied to any SH thread on ATS but after watching the vid in the OP I feel compelled to do so.

A few things that spring to mind is.

To kill that many people in such a short space of time with no training and under extreme circumstances with all hell breaking lose around and stopping to re-load a number of times takes a trained mind, and not some young man with a fetish for call of duty.

I have seen mothers grieving over the loss of a child and it is a harrowing experience and something that lives with you forever. I have seen the hate and hurt in these mothers eyes, and from the vids I have seen of the parents they do not have this look.

NO air evacuation??

Too many questions not answered for my liking.

One last thing. The Coroner is a absolute joke, he did not have a clue what he was talking about.

I'm at work and on my phone so I'll keep this short and ellaborate later. I found Wayen Carver interesting. Wayne Carver is the chief medical examiner you can see in the video unable to answer basic questions and looking uncomfortable. So anyways I've began some work on uncovering who he is and I think it's interesting that he put in a request to congress to pass the provision of Bill 1054 in February 2011.

Bill 1054 is to prevent autopsy reports of people below the age of 18 being released to the public, under the public information act.

7 months after the request he threatened to resign. 1 month later the bill passed and Carver withdrew his resignation.

Essentially, his office would then be protected from any possible future or past cover-ups. Did he know something?

Sorry - no sources, no pictures and no supporting information. Like I said I'm at work, and I absolutely hate the mobile ATS site.

For now, google it.

reply to post by angryhulk


This is brought up in the video with pics of the documents and the bill.

BTW you did pretty good on a mobile phone compared to oh so many posts I read that are unreadable from a phone.

reply to post by angryhulk

The radio dialogue harping on an inability for a 150lb guy carrying 40 pounds is BS. There are a LOT of guys who join the Army at a lighter weight than that described. What gear was Adam Lanza known to have possessed during his rampage? Missing facts ... and I doubt he was carrying 40lbs at the time. It would have been unnecessary. BS

Around the 8 minute mark: She says the numbers of victims (26) could not have been reasonably achieved in 5 to 7 minutes. I have personally downed 60 targets in two minutes at ranges from 50 meters out to 500 meters. The Army NEVER taught me to shoot out to ranges exceeding 300 meters. The rifle range at West Point (no, I was not a cadet) is a 500m pop-up range, and I was awarded an Impact Army Achievement medal for doing exactly what I described. 60 shots, 60 hits, 2 minute time limit. My proficiency in firearms was developed using a pellet gun i shot BBs out of. There are zero grounds for diminishing Adam Lanza’s proficiency with a firearm. Adam Lanza was probably never more than 15 meters from a victim. BS

Starting at about 9 minutes: She goes to elaborate lengths (brainwashing YOU) into believing that the media takes a multi-faceted approach to control the way you think (I think Angelina Jolie is pretty too, I think AJ IS a bit larger than life. Don’t believe me, try approaching her while she’s on-set and report the results back to us. The presenter kind of drifts off in her conclusion leaving you to believe the news media doesn’t patch reporting together in a way to get the message of its agenda across to the viewer. She makes you think she’s right about everything she says … mesmerizing you in that damned droning monotone voice. Total brainwashing BS.

At 11 minutes in: She grabs your attention by covering the acronyms MCI (Mass Casualty Incident) and START (some triage nonsense) and then "slips in” that victims in an MCI 'are tagged.’ Now this one is again, right up my lane. We do mass casualty training in the hospital where I work. Honestly, we’ve done it twice in the last ten years. What you don’t practice as a matter of routine … just doesn’t happen in the real world when the chips are down. I’m now 12 minutes into an hour and a half long video, and not one salient pice of the Sandy Hook puzzle has jumped out at me. NOT ONE. Sounds like ... wait for it ... BS

At 12:50 she starts describing what would have happened in a perfect world. She’s casually skipped over the part where everyone’s dead. She left that out too when she tacitly admitted that START tarps were laid out in the parking lot a ways down the road, but didn’t say anything about the black tarps being glaringly absent. Black tarps are for dead people folks. Or ... was the black one ... the extra large body bag (as she describes it). Once again ... BS.

At 13 minutes, she goes back again into what procedures were for what would be a ‘normal’ incident. Patients are transported to the hospital and THERE they are treated or pronounced dead. Yeah … right. Somebody on the ground with some common sense apparently recognized that it was 'game over’ and new rules needed to be made up as they were going along. I’m trying hard not to vomit here as she continues on in her monotone voice.

She says she’s been in the ER for five whole years and ‘we’ get all code blue patients. Well … don’t be fooled … a code blue patient is one that doesn’t have a heartbeat … not somebody who doesn’t have a heartbeat because they’ve been shot 11 time with an AR-15. What would make it worse were if those kids did wind up in a little pile and he was ricocheting bullets into them.

I’d like to make a little point here. If you’re ever in, say a supermarket, and some nut-job starts blazing away. Bullets have a tendency to travel parallel to and about an inch or two off the ground. Please consider where your vital organs are before you lay down flat. Better to be on your hands and knees if you want to live. But even better, if you can, just get off the X. Look for me in the turkey freezer.

13:20 now and she’s comparing the victims at Sandy Hook to 80 year old nursing home patients where she happily performs CPR on them after they’ve been dead for 20 minutes. Tell me lady, would you try that with a tot that's missing a jaw? That’s just kinda creepy if you ask me. To hammer home her point, she sites some conversation she had with an EMT (not a doctor mind you, more like a medic). Now me … I just don’t need to be told by somebody special that a dead guy is a dead guy … but she seems to think there’s only one special authority that can tell you that … and that’s final. Last I heard, it was the coroner's call. We don’t have a coroner working “in” our hospital. That guy works on the other side of post … and every hospital I’ve ever worked in seemed to have no problem with ANY member of the staff pronouncing a time of death on a patient. I saw lots of people die at Womack Army Medical Center. Not looking ‘em in the eye, but close enough to hear their families wailing as they passed and then the mad dash to clear the family members from the room. This lady makes the process seem somewhat surreal as compared to real life.

Right about 14 minutes here. Now she’s going after Dr. Carver, Chief Medical Examiner for the ENTIRE state of Connecticut since 1989. The guy makes $300K/year. No telling how old he is, but he is an old codger. Let’s see what revelations she has about this doddering old guy that spends his days with corpses (while she wonders why he’s odd). Here’s a guy facing off against a hungry press corp, with about 50 microphones in an array in front of him, right after he’s been exposed to abject horror, knowing he can’t make a misstatement, and … he isn’t a practiced public speaker. One of the first things he does is admit he’s a bit odd, then he says it’s the worst thing he’s ever seen, then he flubs thanking his staff.

The guy may be odd, but if he was a friend of yours, you’d probably let him off on this one. This was a job no civilian would be prepared for. You’d need an experienced battlefield doctor if you expected dignity and bearing.

At 18 minutes, she starts dissecting the guys statements. I’ve already explained this. The CME is a morbid kinda guy … most of ‘em are in my experience. Trying to make sense of something that sounds cryptic is beyond a stretch here. Anything at this level and you’ve basically got to assume the state’s Medical Examiner was in on it, and in on it from the get-go. This is so ludicrous I won’t even entertain the notion. Who would bring in a guy, from the very edge of sanity, on a ground-breaking conspiracy event. No … if you believe this, you’re stupid. That’s just a spade. BS

Now she faults the guy for keeping the parents away from their recently deceased children … and appeals to basic human nature. Again, I will emphasize, it goes against nature itself for a parent to bury a child … but this is too much of an opportunity to address rationally. She wasn’t even in the coroner’s office … but she knows better … she’s got the right answers. No. It was the coroner’s call, and good or bad, he made it. So easy to sit back in the armchair and call the plays after you’ve seen the game a couple of times, no? Calling BS again … right there.

More??

Aisling

HeluvaStorm

TKDRL
reply to post by jaws1975

 

Seriously..... "My kid was just shot dead at school yesterday, let's see if we can get interviewed for national television" Who the hell thinks like that? No one I know, that is for sure.

Yet, this is exactly what was done by some of the parents. This is what led to so many people questioning the lack of emotions displayed by the parents.

This is what I don't understand. The school teacher goes on tv that very night, the day of this tragedy and can sit there and talk about it as if it happened a year ago. This woman acts as if it were something that she was recounting from memory that happened months ago, not that very day.

This chic has the same dry tears as the president.
She is almost crying

reply to post by Aisling

This is what I don't understand. The school teacher goes on tv that very night, the day of this tragedy and can sit there and talk about it as if it happened a year ago. This woman acts as if it were something that she was recounting from memory that happened months ago, not that very day.

I hope that none of you ghouls is ever as traumatized as the people you are accusing of being bad actors; but if you were, perhaps you would understand why they behave the way they do.

reply to post by Snarl

I already typed it out ... what the heck.

At 19 minutes there’s some smack talk about a woman with a flesh wound and an EMT taking some keys out of her (the EMT’s pocket). The victim, now on a gurney, seems quite coherent, probably just happy things weren’t worse, but probably digging the attention she’s getting. Keep this logged into memory while we cut over to the only other known “surviver” the assistant principal who was hit four times (of course … no further description of “hit”)

Now we cut to Dr. William Begg @ 22:48, attesting to basically nothing in front of Senator DiFi. He’s all confused to … talking about treating the victims (I assume the surviving adults), but he starts rambling on about the kid’s little bodies, and then says they "didn’t make it to the hospital"?? (kinda garbled, but I’m pretty sure that’s what he said). So … why isn’t this guy getting eaten alive like the psycho coroner??? Why does he get a pass. Because he was in an assault weapons ban’ hearing?? Calling BS here again.

About 23 and a half minutes in now. The lady’s asking why it took an hour to transport three victims 12 miles. Let me think about that. Uhhh because the cops were clearing the school? Because the victims had to get from the school to where the ambulances were parked. Yeah … an hour seems reasonable to me … especially for a non-life threatening injury. We always wish things would go faster than they do … but they really don’t. Again … right here … embellishment … and … you got it … BS.

You see how easy it is to dissect something almost line-by-line and make it look dumb? I’m intentionally typing and typing and typing and typing … hoping a dummy will come along and take what I’m putting out here and tear it apart line by line. Good luck!! I’m not even gonna waste time reading it if you do.

24 minutes in … now she’s going after the parents and the parent’s reaction. I’ve already destroyed those arguments. They get no more attention. They need to be left out of this. BS

Now she slips in some BOGINT (Bogus Intelligence) regarding something about an external school video surveillance camera. Well, I’m no imagery analyst, but the photographs prove nothing to me. In the picture at the top left, there’s obviously a camera, but if you look to the left of the protruding wall, the features of the school’s roof don’t entirely jive with the other two photos where you can’t exactly make out a camera. The contrast, angle and blurriness of the ‘proof photos’ don’t prove diddly. But like I said … I’m not an imagery analyst. YMMV

Now I don’t know why she thinks this is important to point out. She claims the camera was installed ‘after’ the shooting. Sounds like good sense to me. And, if you look at where the camera has been placed, it’s a perimeter security camera … not door security. This also makes sense, if you’re planning on keeping sneak-ins to a crime scene honest. Why wouldn’t they put up more cameras after the event? Why is she casting aspersions on camera security systems? She’s leading again … see? BS

At 25 minutes, she covers the guy in camouflage pants. Lots of contradiction in her statements. He’s running through the woods, which we all saw in the helicopter video. But, now he’s running for a masonic lodge (“a kangaroo hop away” for effect), but he’s handcuffed by cops while running around the school.

Here I’m gonna give her one … the guy lives right behind Lanza’s house. But then … she goes off on her little dimensional time travels wondering about why the guy’s wearing camo pants to make gingerbread houses and opines he must have dressed that way because he “planned” to run through the woods afterwards. Come on!! Seriously?? BS

What would have been a far more plausible line for this guy was, “The gubment, having learned from the JFK fiasco, decided they were letting Oswald get away this time. They new it would save a messy clean-up job later.”

26 minutes in … now we’re getting somewhere. We’re gonna talk about the creepiness of the town itself. Here’s where the fish are the stinkiest. Here’s where you need to give the lady two minutes of your time.

But … right after that (28 minutes) … she gets out of this world with some BS about inter dimensional travel, the space-time continuum, wormholes, and whatevahs. Total mind-warping BS.

29:43 The tirade ends with, "Back to Sandy Hook.” My brain still hurts. I’m being programmed. And Wah-La!! Here’s Anderson Cooper leading, manipulating, exploiting a victim’s parents. If you haven’t figured me out yet, I don’t care very much for Andy boy. Never trust the press or anything anyone says about them. They’re bought and paid for. Credit where it’s due … they’re good at what they’re paid for. How can you profile a parent who's way out in deep water ... happy that their child has gone on to Heaven and expect different? Fair? No ... BS.

If this post gets a couple of stars, I'll be back tomorrow with the next 30 minute analysis.

jaws1975


Rightly or wrongly?? You are sick if you think that's ok!

Why is it sick to want to prevent children being massacred?

Note I don't say it was necessarily a good or defensible idea. But that was, I think, the reasoning behind it.

Using your analogy showing the sandy hook kids would have cemented gun control.

I didn't use an analogy. You asked why the situations were treated differently and I answered.

Its always interesting how the "How dare you" tactic appears in the Sandy threads. Here we have a video thats been posted for our attention. As usual the derailers (using every ploy in the now well recognised book), look to intimidate the open minded into a war of words with the outcome being the thread is removed.

Me, I have my own mind and refuse to be intimidated or drawn into the battle. Anyone who cant see the obvious flaws, cover-ups and with-holding of information regarding Sandy Hook is kidding only themselves for whatever reason they deem appropriate.

This is not going to go away.........

It is good to see this thread received so many flags and is active like it is.

I'm sure there are some people behind the scenes that don't like it all, but can't really do anything about it at this point without exposing themselves as the dbags they are.

Snarl
I’m not even gonna waste time reading it if you do.

Ok we can leave it there then.

DJW001
reply to post by Aisling

 

This is what I don't understand. The school teacher goes on tv that very night, the day of this tragedy and can sit there and talk about it as if it happened a year ago. This woman acts as if it were something that she was recounting from memory that happened months ago, not that very day.

I hope that none of you ghouls is ever as traumatized as the people you are accusing of being bad actors; but if you were, perhaps you would understand why they behave the way they do.

I have been around people who just lost their kid. They couldn't stop crying for days, faces swollen, emotional wrecks. That close to the loss, you are either crying or have a blank look on your face. No one smiled. No one could even talk about him without crying. It's the most horrible thing that could happen, and you see it in their faces. These people should look like hell, and it's not a look that makeup can cover up.

angryhulk

Snarl
I’m not even gonna waste time reading it if you do.

Ok we can leave it there then.

Fair enough.

You people need to keep it clean and leave the PEOPLE involved out of this. They're victims for Christ's sake. It feels like your pouring acid on my soul.

Out here.