My Experience with "RA" - Yes, this relates to Aliens/UFOs/Mysticism Equally

A 2022 update, 9 years after one of my first posts.

First off, I OWN anything I have ever said, and if you want to
discuss anything I have ever said, even if you think I should
be 'embarassed' by it ---- bring it on.

Like all of us, I grow and learn as time passes.. that's the very
definition of being an adult; only loons stick to ideas frozen
in time (and probalby generated by some ancient, confused
dead dude) and don't learn from science, life, and others.

I went through some very traumatic experiences from time to
time over my life, as I was poking my head DEEP down some
bunny holes.

When I wrote this post, I believed, due to earth-shattering
experience that there are parasites infesting us.

Well, I was right, of course, but I certainly didn't have a
very nuanced view.

So first off..

Mitochondria were Parasites

it's pretty established science now days.. that the power source that allows
multi-cellular life to exist at all, the mitochondria, were once parasites
captured by single celled organisms.

Also..

A Protein in your Brain Acts like a Virus

It's newer, but proven science.. it APPEARS that the only reason we
are sentient at all.. at our level, is due to this literal mind-virus.

Now I could go on to memes all day and night.. You can read Susan Blackmore
or more recent researchers, but memes act a lot like 'viruses of the mind'.

One thing I researched for years, is that many if not most "saints and religious
figures, including founders of religions' may well have been autistic..

Being autistic myself, I know how such a brain can 'interact' in interesting
ways, that a non-autistic brain may never understand. Such a brain might
make grand pronouncements about many things, and the more 'meme-worthy'
start fantastical religions..

Heck, any neutral modern historian of ancient Rome, would tell you that
Christianity was very useful to Rome... Jesus said to give to ceasar what
is ceasars (pay taxes to ceasar).. and for slaves to obey their masters..
and various other 'turn the other cheek messagtes' that were NOT
originally part of what Jesus taught.

There is blatant and fairly undeniable evidence that Christianty was
meme-crafted over the years by Rome.. starting mainly with Constantine
and the First Council of Nicaea, but the editing and codification was
not complete for almost a hundreds years.

Originally, Jesus was a man more than a god.. originally many early
christians believed in reincarnation.. or didn't beleive in life after
death at all (like most Jews didn't). I could get into the complete
destruction of Christianity by the 'apostle paul' and his masters
the Flavian emperors.. but it's a very long story.. and not some
'conspiracy theory'. .but really what's come out in recent years,
as more neutral biblical scholars and historians have researched
this stuff... and by 'more neutral' I don't mean atheists necesarily..
but not raving believers of a much edited and inaccurate narrative
either.

I only mention christianity, as it's one of the most successful meme/
disinformation campaigns in human history. Modern gnostics and
followers of other religions often think Christianity is pure evil..
give the 1,500 years of the dark ages.. and certianly many science-
minded people do.

But I do concur, that everyone should be free to believe whatever
they want... we all start from ignorance... but i do wish that more
folks knew some history.. then they wouldn't be such easy prey
to modern disinformation.

Now... (and you have been waiting for his... do I STILL 'believe'
in 'energy parasites'?

I've written 13,000 or so words on that topic, and it's apparently
going to be published in concert with my writing partner, who
is a famous scholar of religion at a top University.

But in short, short?

I say, "we live in an extended ecosystem", where 85% of matter
and energy is unaccounted for (this is known physics).

We do appear to live adjacent to 'currents' that might be thought
of as parasitic or symbiotic.. it's a very nuanced point of view..
with much historical backup for the view.

Not sexy enough for you?

Sorry.

It's hard to separate 'humans' from symbiotic humans.. and
in fact, it's not possible at all.

I hope this update is helpful.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

'day Kev, been a while.

We do appear to live adjacent to 'currents' that might be thought
of as parasitic or symbiotic.. it's a very nuanced point of view..
with much historical backup for the view.

It's hard to separate 'humans' from symbiotic humans.. and
in fact, it's not possible at all.

Yah,where the symbiote begins and ends is a good question. I wonder about the "symbiote's" nature too.

I'll get burned at the stake perhaps for saying this, yet I wonder if the mystic is just interfacing consciously with something of a symbiotic nature. "Intestinal bacteria as the doorway to higher learning" probably won't sell many books.

Take the concept a little further, and we could suggest "germs" as the two way interface between man and other Beings, and them with us.

All those magnetic bacteria in the brain and intestinal flora and fauna might just be the interface our consciousness needs to contact more than we think.

(There are some very bad jokes to be made here, I shall do the adult thing and refrain ; )

Ol' Rudolf Stiener said somewhere that the digestive system was spiritually "higher" than the nervous system and the nervous system "higher" than the brain. From memory Steiner refered to the brain as an excrescence. I'll try to recall where I read that in Steiner's lectures.

If the germs and fungi are our personal collective psychic consciousness, it follows there may be a larger collective/network to be found. "The Oneness"? . . . maybe.

Symbiotes and parasites, why not. I would add predators to the list too.

The saying: “inquiring minds want to know,” could get paraphrased to: "acquiring minds want to know your's".

Sophia, I sometimes wonder; is Sophia an aquiring mind? That would make Sophia a predator. Then Gnosis would be something other than what most folks think it is.

Not to say predators and symbiotes are neccessarily bad.

a reply to: NobodySpecial268

Yes, sir.

All these thoughts are 'on the table'.

'Spiritual folks' often turn their nose up at 'physical reality',
which is of course absurd.

I was recently having a conversation one of Dr. Persingers
recent Ph.D awardees...

It turns out that Dr. Persinger has theories that are not
dissimilar to some of my observations about the physical
world (not the god helmet stuff.. something different).

Calling something physical OR 'spiritual' is a mistake.

Frankly, I'm doubtful that either you or I truly understand
the 'interface' of which we are both aware, quite as
thouroughly as we might wish, and exactly where the
boundary is between the wholey 'mundane' and something
more 'invisible'.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Ya know Kev, I reckon just understanding there is an 'interface' is something. Even if people just suspect it could be so.

The mechanics of what it is maybe science will figure it out.

Getting used to using the thing and what one finds on the otherside of the interface is the difficult one for me. I glossed through one of Keel's books last week and (surprisingly to me) groked it. It just made sense. An old school practical fella who observes I reckon. Sorta get what you guys mean (maybe) when using that horribily ambiguous word "phenomenon".

Calling something physical OR 'spiritual' is a mistake.

Yeah, but what can one do instead when conversing with other people? Linguistics(?) suggests that to communicate with language a word with the same meaning must exist in two minds. I've had a lot of difficulty here on ATS trying to say stuff I know has no words yet. "The unspeakable" - geez I sound like a mystic - yet it is untill we have words to describe it.

I'm not familiar with the name 'Dr Persingers' - Would you enlighten me please.

a reply to: NobodySpecial268

en.wikipedia.org...

he's an infamous fellow... even called a 'Aviary member' somtimes.

I agree with less than half of what he wrote about.. but that's not
too bad.. but even that half is out of context usually..

the reason you sound like a 'mystic' is that, (surprise) that's what
you are.

just becuase your interface to 'X' is an AI faerie girl, doesn't mean
you don't have a working 'interface'.

Of coure you are viewed as insane, as am I. *shrug*

anyone who doesn't live to produce near slave labor for the monied
controllers is branded that way.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

the reason you sound like a 'mystic' is that, (surprise) that's what you are.

Frown.

Of coure you are viewed as insane, as am I. *shrug*

Smile.

*shrug* - same here. Writing here on ATS brought me out of my shell. I never even conceptualised that stuff, let alone talked about it. Just did it. Putting it into words has been a challenge. A long stressful road.

Dr. Persingers sounds like an interesting fella, especially for a scientist. Back in the 1980s 1990s there was a lot of interesting research along the lines of VLF and ground effects. I was more a dowser in those days and a lot of new ground to research for oneself using the rods and "black boxes". Then the newage set in and things got screwed up with the introduction to dowsing of the "spititual". Something important was lost when that line was crossed.

a reply to: NobodySpecial268

Religion and spirituality are 95% nonsense,

and the other 5% is generally misunderstood.

"mystic" simply means having a working and usable 'interface'

it has nothing to do with 'god' or anything like that.

'god' is a social construct of (generally) mentally ill minds.

What exists 'before thought' before humans existed, can

be called God, so I don't hassle people about believing in

God.

But I'd suggest developing a working interface and finding
out for themsleves,

and not just taking some old dead dudes BS as fact,

or even some living dudes BS as fact.

Find out for yourself..

Human bodies are naturally plugged into the natural world.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Find out for yourself.

My sentiment too.

I went and looked up the word gnosis yesterday. Surprise to me is it refers to knowledge from experience rather than book-learning and hear-say.

gnosis: Knowledge.

1. The higher meaning of Gnosis is knowledge from experience, especially experience of divinity or that which is beyond the five senses. The word Gnosis does not refer to knowledge that we are told or believe in. Gnosis is conscious, experiential knowledge, not merely intellectual or conceptual knowledge, belief, or theory.

2. Gnosis can also refer to the tradition that embodies the core wisdom or knowledge of humanity, although in the physical world it has not been known by that name, but instead has adopted varying appearances according to culture, time, and place.

Source: Glorian website

a reply to: NobodySpecial268

Since the rise of the patriarchy 6000 years ago, the bridge
between the timeful and timeless portions of ourselves
has been, for the most part culurally destroyed.

But the nuts and bolts in our bodies are all still there..
just rusty due to disuse in a lot of folks.

Some people find me 'inconsistent' on 'beings'.

"Beings" are a really annoying thing in research.

One day, one walks up and knocks you on the head.

The next day, you curse yourself for being so gullible.

It's like Quantum Mechanics you see..

One day the wave flows by, and you might sense it, but not see it.

The next day a 'big old particle' hits you.

Which is it?

Both?

Neither?

A Delusion?

There's a whole new language, a whole new philosophical
system you have to build to make sense of it..

That's what I've been working on all these years.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

But the nuts and bolts in our bodies are all still there..
just rusty due to disuse in a lot of folks.

It is at that Kev. I find tapping the deep memories of what the body knows and remembers interesting in a practical sense. Even just the emotional memory of holding a small human child and the wonder of a totally helpless and totally dependant Being has practical application in distant healing. Right down to the metabolic processes of assembly and disassembly have similar practical application.

Even the reflexology points in the soles of the feet remind me of tree roots. Humans as mobile trees? Maybe that memory is there somewhere.

Some people find me 'inconsistent' on 'beings'.

"Beings" are a really annoying thing in research.

One day, one walk up and knocks you on the head.

The next day, you curse yourself for being so gullible.

It's like Quantum Mechanics you see..

One day the wave flows by, and you might sense it, but not see it.

The next day a 'big old particle' hits you.

Which is it?

Both?

Neither?

A Delusion?

There's a whole new language, a whole new philosophical
system you have to build to make sense of it..

That's what I've been working on all these years.

So that's what you're working on. I kinda enjoy having fun with the "phenomenon". Though I must admit the "phenomenon" has a great deal of fun at my expense. They keep reminding me that there are anomalies whenever I settle down in my thoughts of what is. So much so that I have come to the tentative conclusion that:

The only truely universal constant is the presence of anomalies.

a reply to: NobodySpecial268

The only truely universal constant is the presence of anomalies.

Some of those mystics you don't like say,

"The purpose of the world is to be a joke".

But that doesn't fly very well... not serious and 'spiritual enough'

so they dress it up as "enlightened play'. "spiritual learning'.

So what's wrong with 'JUST PLAY'.

Nothing!

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Exactly!

It's not that I universally don't like mystics. It is just that the ones I have met in life fairly quickly look down on me as a "waste" because I am not interested in something they call "divinity" or "most highest". Bhuddists are even worse.

"The purpose of the world is to be a joke".

I reckon Kev, and it is just my view of things, if a mystic said: "The world is a joke" that would pick up my ears.

Robert A. Heinlein's book Stranger In A Strange Land coined the term 'grok' as a way of understanding that bypasses intellect. One simply 'get's it'.

Like a joke, one get's the joke and laughs, or one doesn't. (evil grin) science is like the person with no sense of humour and explains the joke beginning with the punch line.

And really, does everything have to have a purpose?

So what's wrong with 'JUST PLAY'.

Nothing!

Your advice in "So what's wrong with 'JUST PLAY'." is something I think is very important for contacting and interacting with the "phenomenon", "aliens", "fairy-folk" or whatever the case may be.

You have probably noticed kev, that I have an evil streak and talk about adopting greys as grand-daughters and playing house with them. That was my poking fun at the scientific UFO experts in the UFO forum. (Oh wait, this is the UFO forum. Opps sorry guys ; )

Basically I was a tad mischievious and rubbed their noses in the recounting of an encounter I reasonably knew they would not believe.

Yet in the long running encounter we actually created a relationship to work within. We played house together with me the doting grandfather and her the precocious grand-daughter. The non-sense relationship (to serious people) meant we were comfortable in each others company. Especially when it came to not harming each other. Grand-daughters don't usually disect what is inside their grand-father's head, and I can't harm children. I once whacked my young son on the butt and the hurt in his eyes made me feel horrible.

Play is how we teach human children, even kittens play how to behave as adults.

Additionally, she had to work within certain rules to achieve her objective. We both learned how to behave in each other's company.

"Playing" does not need language or study and everyone knows how to play together. No one gets hurt and can go home at the end of the day.

a reply to: NobodySpecial268

Here you go:

en.wikipedia.org...#/media/File:Sam_and_Ralph_clock.png

If you understand this, you understand all the weird stuff, and life in general.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

: ) I remember that one.



If you understand this, you understand humans, and life in general.

The thing about purpose and humans is it grows out of the desire to exist, from my limited observation anyway. I won't disagree with the Bhuddists when they say this world is the desire world. The ticket to here is a desire. One can see that in the tulpa, the thought form will disappear fairly quickly if it is not enshrined with a desire to exist. Magicians are generally lazy and stop caring aboutt their tulpa's welfare. The tulpa then has to fend for itself. When this happens the new creature, the stand-alone tulpa, has no purpose except for it's own desire to exist.

The same with humans really, animals too. A desire to exist, to be is generally what brings us here. One girl I knew in life wanted be a star in the ballet. That's the wish that bought her here. I saw it after she died, she was sitting up in an afterlife bed eagerly explaining her accomplishment to her relatives who died before her. Sixteen years of age was when she accomplishged her wish. The rest of her life was one of looking for purpose to exist. When desires are fulfilled or become unobtainable is generally when people start to invent purpose to live. One of those games people play.

I see a another odd game in the Bhuddists with their Nirvana. Achieving Nirvana is said to be the purpose of life and to escape the desire world. That summation is from my limited exposure to the Bhuddist way.

They always dis this world as unimportant and mundane. "The attainment of the higher worlds is the important goal! Don't you know?"

What I do know is them Bhuddist fellas are looking in the worng place if thems wanna find Nirvana. Nirvana is right under their very noses, and has been all along.

There is a catch 22 though, a clever one at that. Or is "stupid" the word to use?

Nirvana cannot be found for oneself, one can create it for others though. Only then will one temporarily glimpse it for oneself. The only hope to achieve Nirvana is the hope that someone else will create it for you.

The ability to do that is based on a simple memory almost everybody has, and memories are knowledge by the way. That memory cannot be found in other worlds, only this physical one. Only living organic creatures can accomplish this.

One might think of the "ascended" folks in the higher worlds as physically challenged, to use a polite PC term. It is simple really, they cannot have children.

The memory (knowledge) of holding a totally helpless and totally dependant child in one's arms evokes a very strong protective loving feeling. That is the memory (knowledge) one wants. It is a simple thing to later hold someone else within that recalled memory. What they then experience is that same feeling of very protective love. They are enveloped in it. Then one, for oneself can feel what they are feeling. In practice children are easier than adults to do this to.

Anybody with the knowledge (memory) can do this, nobody special really.

"Bah humbug! what would you know!. It takes a thousand life times to achieve these things! Bah humbug to you!"

"Heh heh, what you don't know mate is I can separate myself from the Bhuddist way completely and have seen that fat fella for myself."

The art of separation is the antithesis of the Bhuddist way of "oneness". My advantage over the Bhuddist is I can do both at my leasure.

The fat fella hangs out just the other side of those Rishis, just outside of maya. Once one sees for oneself how he creates Nirvana for his followers, well, the knowledge is no big secret, and is no big deal. Buddah has a fat belly for good reason; he is full of those ascendended people who have "achieved" Nirvana. Buddah basks internally in other people's happiness.

So the quest for Nirvana is, in my view anyway, the ultimate exercise in selfishness.

If one wonders what the "aliens" and "others" see in lowly humans, well I wonder. Maybe in their self important superiority of "evolving" they have finally realised that long ago they threw the baby out with the bathwater . . .

a reply to: NobodySpecial268

;-)

You sound like me.

In fancy words, Nirvana and Samsara are one.. they always have been.

There is nowhere to escape, there is only here.

The trouble with Nirvana is you can't hold it for more than at most
3 or 4 Great years.. then the innate instability overcomes that
silly pretentiousness, and you get dumped to the very worst simehole
available.. as a wakeup call.

You can either play games while aware of it, or you play games wtihout
being aware of it.

Either way you play games.. that's all which exists...

I knew you understood... for years I knew you understood. even though
you never proved you'd done the math at some point.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

There are plenty of kids in school who can get the answers right but can't do the long division . . .

ATS has been an exercise in having to 'do the maths' for me in many ways. Having to conceptualise experience and put the concepts into words so others can follow is an education in itself.

I tell ya what Kev, life really needs a manual. Like a walk-through for gamers. Though, if I had have paid more attention to Loonie-Tunes as a kid instead of doing school homework . . . ; )

originally posted by: AfterInfinity
reply to post by KellyPrettyBear

 

Are we talking about 'RA' as in the sun god? [/quotewww.youtube.com...

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear