End this media-promoted, "kung-fu" madness!

Some of these pro-gun threads are getting a little ridiculous on the logic side.

Comparing a gun with Kung-Fu is like comparing a crossbow with karate - there is little logical comparison between the two. I could expand on this, but I really shouldn't need to...

reply to post by Dark Ghost


Sure, a gun sounds much more dramatic than simple punches, right? Fists act like simple blunt weapons, unlike bullets or arrow, which are penetration weapons.

But I am one who believes, that for instance if a man beats his wife, this man shouldn't get clemency simply because he didn't used a gun.

swanne
reply to post by JDmOKI

 

Well obviously you weren't doing it correctly... because I feel amazing after breathing exercises.

And I feel amazing without it.

can I ask how far you studied? or did you state it in you OP already?

Oh! You didn't read my OP?! No, it's not just something I got at school. These... studies are a part of my past. That is all I can say.

Your hatred spawns from ignorance/scientific bias, open your mind to new ideas.

There is a reason why the scientific method came into existence. Yin/yang is not an acceptable scientific theory. It is falsified by the mere nature of subatomic particles and their laws (which varies for all 4 forces), and also Einstein's Relativity. And the Copenhagen interpretation. Oh, and also the Many-World interpretation.

I studied under Grandmaster Rick Ward of the Blue Ridge Kung Fu Arnis Association

Awesome. But this isn't about you, and it isn't about me. This thread is about the potential lethality of centuries-old martial "arts". Many of them were created to literally fight armed forces, meaning they contain techniques which have the potential to kill. Yet these very techniques are now taught to children, psychopaths, ANYBODY. There is just no restriction.

Driving a car can make you dangerous. That's why car owners have to have a license to use it. Having a gun can make you dangerous. That's why gun owners have to have a licence to use it. But when it come to kung-fu, anyone can use it without any restrictions, and the big media actually pushes the fad, by emphasizing on its non-existent magical powers.

So you are a scientist, huh. Hasn't science, and technology killed tons of people, too? Does that make you go into cold sweats at night, and have feverish, and hellish dreams?

Seriously, the drama is quite off the scale with this thread....

In our style we learn that if you get into a fight then YOU yourself have done 100 things wrong...
Don't go to stupid places
With stupid people
And do stupid things

We do learn killing moves but it's like this: When you know how you have a quiet confidence that makes people not want to try you out.
If we learned how to stage fight we would know it was weak sauce and that anti-confidence would follow us around.

I say get a teacher better suited to your temperment.
Aikido sounds like a perfect fit for you. Seriously.

reply to post by swanne


Well.... I'm a gun owner and I do Kung Fu. FEAR ME!

so that would mean that all martial arts would be outlawed or greatly regulated. I will never agree with that idea. next you would go after wrestling or fencing since they can be used for deadly force.

and in my opinion the art of Kung Fu counters psychopathic tendencies. Like I asked before, find me a trend where Kung Fu practitioners killed and was convicted of murder

reply to post by GrislyAddams


Thats why I think the OP's teacher was a joke, otherwise he would have learned these fundamental teaching. 101 really

I was taught to give the attacker my money if i felt he was gonna kill me, not kill him with my bare hands.

JDmOKI
reply to post by GrislyAddams

 

Thats why I think the OP's teacher was a joke, otherwise he would have learned these fundamental teaching. 101 really

I was taught to give the attacker my money if i felt he was gonna kill me, not kill him with my bare hands.

I agree.
I'd like to know the teacher's name. He could already be on the Bullshido wall of shame. Since they seem to hate everyone it's good to look there as well as at your own school's website.

It's good to be privately skeptical of what you might want to learn and whom you might be learning from.

reply to post by GrislyAddams


I believe life or death issues that I control are best used for the appropriate time.I will be the final judge.So far I STILL don't need to harm ANYONE using more that an intelligent argument.I don't go to bars and I don't look for trouble.
A good Sensei is like a surrogate father,are YOU gonna make you Dad angry. You do know some will stop you anyway if you're too dangerous to teach,they can tell.

"I should have known you'd be behind this, Fiendish Dr. Wu Your knowledge of scientific, biological transmogrifications is only outmatched by your zest for Kung Fu Treachery!"

But, is not the essence of true martial arts, to defend yourself and/or defeat your opponent and inflicting the least amount of damage to them and with using the least amount of effort possible from yourself? Is that not true mastery? If I can grab my attacker in a wrist lock, taking him to the ground and restraining him until he can be arrested and doing so without breaking a sweat, have I not attained mastery and proven that 'kung fu' is truly peaceful and that learning to fight brings peace to all around me by making sure that myself, my friends and family and associates and my attackers are all protected from harm at the same time?

oh i see you have a bit of an error in your post there, let me go ahead an correct that one line for you

swanne
It's a weapon created by mankind to Defend mankind.

there we go, all better now.

pryingopen3rdeye
It's a weapon created by mankind to Defend mankind.

Hm, Not bad at all! But it's still not perfect yet. There:

pryingopen3rdeye
It's a weapon created by mankind to harm mankind.

Hey, just like guns...

But hey, surely we pacifists are mad, isn't obvious that fighting fights with even more fights is the path to world peace.

amazing
But, is not the essence of true martial arts, to defend yourself and/or defeat your opponent and inflicting the least amount of damage to them and with using the least amount of effort possible from yourself?

It may strongly be. But let's face it, how many wannabe-bruce-lee will follow this "essence"? Nothing prevents Mr Nobody to learn a few good tricks, and then use it anywhere, including in the streets (even if he is kicked out of a sect).

Simple logic: being kicked out of a sect is not a guarantee that the guy won't show off and use what he learned.

reply to post by swanne


No but the individual may get a lethal retaliatory effort( KILLED ) that is authorized and LEGAL in all 50 states. Martial arts are considered dangerous weapons BY LAW if it is employed in any criminal endeavor.

Most experts don't go around being bullies because of their respect of self and their art.

I sell knives at my art supply store.
All the time, people, with a turned up nose and an indignant attitude, ask, "Why do you sell weapons?"
I don't. If you saw a sculpture tool as a weapon it says acres about you and nothing at all about why I have that tool in my store.

I have been studying martial arts for 30 years this April. I have never been in a real, life or death, fight. Do you know why?
Because, for the most part, people are pretty damned reasonable.

Don't put on others what is in your own head.

reply to post by darkbake


hey I'd be careful man. The Wu family secret silk ribbon fist is no joke. I've been to Kung Fu island. Barely made it out alive. Some dude set everything on fire and then took off in a helicopter talking about operation Anaconda.

Guess it gave him "Oooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhh!!!!" and I don't want none of that!!!!

reply to post by amazing


YEs and no. Martialarts for peacful purposes, where the goal is to subdue your opponent with minimal effort and harm done to the attacker is a modern myth and fairy tale. Created by mr. miyagi type of hollywood fictional characters. Ask the actual masters of martial arts back in the day and they weren't teaching it for peaceful purposes.

Look at Cheung lai chun. HE taught a pretty effective street fighting style of kung fu. He was also a head instructor at the wah po military acadamy cranking out soldiers and mercs. He was so popular as a teacher of deadly fighting arts that he was revered by chinese triade gangsters in canton and hong kong. So much to the point that they would follow him around and dote on him while he blew them off trying to distance himself from the image that most of his students were professional soldiers, mercs and gangsters or streetfighters.

What about the Kajukempo/ wun hop chaun do guys they aren't learning to bake cookies over there. Lots of martial arts were designed from the ground up to destroy. some don't even have defensive principles. So thnking that a martial arts master was a peaceful dude who attempts to end all altercations with minimal harm to their opponent because they are so magnanimous is bull poop. Look at Wily Wetzle. He lived by and died by the sword. Was a assassin for the dutch in indonesia. Moved to america started a martial arts school. Had a reputation as a master. He got angry at his son over a tax return and money one day and charged him with a literal sword in his dorm room. Son ended up killing his dad with a pair of nunchuks he had laying around. This is how a actual master of martial arts chose to live right or wrong. Its all really up to the individual. Some "Masters" might choose o simply subdue you. Not likely though, they'll probably try and find a way to knock you down with one blow/beat for their own safety as that is what experience has probably taught them is the best option. Or they might say to hell with you (the attacker) and maim you for life. They are just people too. So the OP does have a point that a guy trained how to use his hands and is good wit his entries and counters is very deadly, If the dude is also a psycho then you have a problem. Same thing with a gun.

But you guys gotta get over this martial arts is for defense and hippy gumdrops of love and benevolence towards their attacker. Most when looked into their roots and application are not. Look at Chung lai chun again. THe very first move he taught all his student was a stop hit coupled with a finger jab to the dudes throat while sinking your entire body weight into said trachea with finger tips. It's lightning fast, effective, and not very friendly or zen like. Oh yeah after that the next two moves he drilled into his students was to follow up said finger jab to throat with right cross to face. followed up with grab/ mash back of head with left hand and elbow to face as hard as you fing possibly can with right. Follow up with unwinding your elbow into backfist/ reap throw to/using guys face. Next move in ata. Move on to next opponent cause that guy he aint your opponent anymore. He's dead. SO yeah lots of martial arts the highest level was not how nicely you could let down some other psycho transgressor down and then chastize them for being so unsophisticated and spiritually immature to attack someone. But to destroy as resolutely and quickly and efficently as possible the oher guy. Thats the reality. If you are not adhering to that you are practicing an art and leaving out the whole martial part.

Yet another bloody Hollywood movie in which Kung-Fu is shown to be the ultimate tool, to uses in the streets:

Grandmaster

Even when unlawful incidents take place around him, he withdraws himself from all responsibilities and is happy to live quietly. But he is forced to change and take up his duties

In other words, Hollywood is telling people that, there's no use in trying to be pacifist.

Sickening.

Then folks wonder why there are news like, Another couple found guilty of murder for parenting by "To Train Up a Child". No more morality, only promotion of violence.

Late one night in May this year, the adopted girl, Hana, was found face down, naked and emaciated in the backyard; her death was caused by hypothermia and malnutrition, officials determined. According to the sheriff’s report, the parents had deprived her of food for days at a time and had made her sleep in a cold barn or a closet and shower outside with a hose. And they often whipped her, leaving marks on her legs. The mother had praised the Pearls’ book and given a copy to a friend, the sheriff’s report said. Hana had been beaten the day of her death, the report said, with the 15-inch plastic tube recommended by Mr. Pearl.

reply to post by JDmOKI


Could not agree more, the ignorance in this thread shown by the OP is simply staggering. Martial Arts being a favorite subject of mine, I have to jump in (for what my opinion is worth). I began martial arts training to build my physique and increase my self confidence; I had the big Bruce Lee phase with the Jeet Kune Do type philosophy and training methods, experimented with the Wing Chun System...

Eventually I came in contact with a T'ai chi ch'uan teacher and have been studying with him for a while now. My attitude towards life and the martial arts has undergone enormous change. Where once I had a violent streak, a fear of being beaten and a desire to prove that I could beat some one, I know see that the battle takes place inwardly. The OP seems to fail to grasp the concept of Yin/Yang or duality, mutually arising and codependent, and how that metaphor relates to both the macro and micro levels of the cosmos. That is something that belongs in the philosophy and metaphysics discussion...

As for martial arts promoting violence... I don't know where to begin. It depends on teacher and student. It depends on the school and the culture surrounding it all....

for one thing, sparring can be great fun, it is great exercise, and if done properly with the right intention in mind, it is very safe. It can help release aggression in a fun, controlled manor. When I spar with my friends, there is no anger involved and only a playful aggression.

as far as Kung Fu being ineffective and useless... It depends on teacher and student. I will speak now from the view point of a tai chi student, from what I have seen. Many people believe tai chi to be aerobics for old people, as this is what we see portrayed since the cultural revolution in china. They persecuted the old masters and reformed the system into what you see being practiced in parks, 'finger painting' in the air. This has very little health benefit and is not the deeper, esoteric level. I believe my teacher is one of the few that truly has the 'art'. I have experienced both him and his teacher release a great deal of power and throw me a long way back from my genuine attempts to punch them in the head. At the very least, tai chi (when properly studied) develops excellent wrestling and defensive skills. I speak for tai chi in particular because it has the most confused and misunderstood reputation, but when demonstrated by a true practitioner, there can be no doubt as to the effectiveness of the method. To top this off, my teacher is the most peaceful, content person I've ever met, and he would never harm another person unless his life was in danger. Even in that situation, he would have the self control to do only what was necessary to defend himself.

There is much esoteric wisdom in the martial arts, self knowledge and higher wisdom to be unlocked. I pity those in this thread that won't understand what I am saying, and I highly recommend that you find yourselves a good teacher of an internal martial art. If do not have the eye to understand esoteric knowledge, at the very least you might feel a little healthier

reply to post by BASSPLYR


I agree with you, to an extent. You are right that practicing without the martial intent is merely are or 'finger painting' as my teacher calls it. But there is a level that a practitioner can reach in the internal styles that can end a situation quickly whilst still remaining passive and causing minimal harm. That isn't to say that if I were attacked I would use soft energy to redirect an attack and gently deal with the aggressor, most likely that would all go out the Window. But I am not a master, and that is the point. The way I see it, if two true masters fought, they would size each other up, suss out the the other from distance, bow and leave