Virginia Democrat Calls For Forcing Doctors To Accept Medicare And Medicaid Patients

beezzer
reply to post by DZAG Wright

 

So you DO think that government should determine the pay/salary of medical professionals, and everyone else associated within the medical field?

You say the government, I say SOCIETY! I think we need to reign in these salaries and set America on the correct path. Now if we do this of course we have to correct the other elevated expenses that go along with these such as education.

Yeah people will pout and stomp but eventually they will fall in line or.....what other choice do they have...detache themselves from society and go live on an island?

DZAG Wright
Basically, you're one of those "if he dies...he dies" people? What type of society is that again?

How you came up with that crap is strange when all I said was ...

- Healthcare is a commodity and not a 'right'. Which is true.
- Doctors are not slaves to the state. And that's what you'd make them.

People have a right to be paid for their efforts.
It takes A LOT OF EFFORT for people to go through medical school.
They have a right to be reimbursed for their skills and knowledge.

NavyDoc

DZAG Wright

NavyDoc

DZAG Wright

badgerprints

kaylaluv
No biggie ..... they better get used to it now, because when we become single-payer, all citizens will be medicare/medicaid -- so the doctors will have to accept them anyway, or they will have zero patients. That won't be good for business.

Doctors don't have to stay in business.
They have degrees. They are pretty smart.
They can find other jobs that pay well.

We can't force them to work.
Half of the emergency rooms on border states have already shut down in the last 15 years because of the mandatory treatment laws.
Costs too much to run em for free.
Doctors will go work elsewhere.

Your next move will be mandatory assignment of doctors (by ones needs as decided by government.)

Good luck with that pancreatic cancer or COPD when your assigned doctor is a 24 year old intern who got his degree in Ixtapa.

edit on 3-11-2013 by badgerprints because: (no reason given)

As the doctors only in it for the money leave, they will be replaced by doctors who are in it for the RIGHT reasons.

There will be a period of pain which will pay off in the end...

ANd then the best and brightest go into other fields? What gives you or society the right to claim ownership on another person just because of the profession they have? What gives anyone the right to simply declare a person's individuality null and void just because you desire his services cheaper? Why can't I declare your profession "essential" and then take away your freedom?

Eventually there won't be "other" fields to go into for the greedy, but that's another topic.

The Right is given by the person who volunteers to participate in our society. What many people such as you neglect to recognize.

We will eventually get to the point where we all recognize our duty is to work yes for ourselves, but also for society and its betterment.

You are pretty #ing generous with someone else's time, education, skills, and life. And you call OTHER people greedy? Hypocrite.

There is no "RIght" to declare servitude on another just because you want his services. That is not "volunteering to participate in society"--that is servitude and something that fascists like yourself don't understand. Yeah, it is very easy to declare someone ELSE should work for the betterment of society...so, do you work for free for "the betterment of society?"

And yeah, I've been in the VA system too, and I think you are nuts if not a bit dishonest

edit on 5-11-2013 by NavyDoc because: (no reason given)

What you are doing is using semantics to your advantage. At my current job I don't consider myself in "servitude" to my customers. Only a sick person would think like this.

Secondly....as is often asked...WHO SAID ANYTHING ABOUT WORKING FOR FREE? You and others always skim over this!!! What is suggested is reigning in this greed and rush to get rich, pricing everything to a fair price (not just what the wealthy or well-saved can afford as we have now).

So no, I do not work for free I pay and make money of course. Lets take one aspect of my work, I prepare resumes for customers. I could be like some and charge $300 for my resume. The market would bear this as there are those who pay this! However their $300 resume is no better and at times WORST than mine! This is what has crippled our country, our prices are out of control using the "what the market can bear" as an excuse.

You are the one being dishonest if you prefer civilian care to military care. Yeah, we all fussed about it while we were in, but upon separation and going to the doctor the first time it is a huge SHOCK when we have to pay $100 for some allergy medicine we paid nothing for in the military! It's a shock when before we are even seen we must part with $30-$50 dollars for a copay!

DZAG Wright

StoutBroux

Cabin

No doctor´s salary should exceed 200k. Even that sounds extreme exploitation of people´s most basic needs.

Boy is that backwards. The one person who can possibly fix you so you don’t die and so you get healthy shouldn’t earn more than $200,000.00 a year????? So let’s see, it’s okay to earn more than that, MUCH more than that if for instance: you hit a small white ball into a small hole or a large orange ball into a large hoop; you walk down a catwalk wearing not much more than your underwear; you sit behind a desk and speculate what the NYSE is going to do and advise your customers; you drive a car very fast around a racetrack; you’re the CEO of a company that provides talkies to the population; you sit behind a large desk and figure out how to screw the American citizens while claiming ignorance of it all.

If anything, the doctors should be at the top of that elite heap and next should be teachers.

edit on 5-11-2013 by StoutBroux because: (no reason given)

Are you all for the people who safeguard this country (soldiers and police, etc) receiving a massive pay boost? I mean their job is possibly even more important than a doctors right?

No, they should do it for nothing for the good of society.

DZAG Wright

NavyDoc

DZAG Wright

NavyDoc

DZAG Wright

badgerprints

kaylaluv
No biggie ..... they better get used to it now, because when we become single-payer, all citizens will be medicare/medicaid -- so the doctors will have to accept them anyway, or they will have zero patients. That won't be good for business.

Doctors don't have to stay in business.
They have degrees. They are pretty smart.
They can find other jobs that pay well.

We can't force them to work.
Half of the emergency rooms on border states have already shut down in the last 15 years because of the mandatory treatment laws.
Costs too much to run em for free.
Doctors will go work elsewhere.

Your next move will be mandatory assignment of doctors (by ones needs as decided by government.)

Good luck with that pancreatic cancer or COPD when your assigned doctor is a 24 year old intern who got his degree in Ixtapa.

edit on 3-11-2013 by badgerprints because: (no reason given)

As the doctors only in it for the money leave, they will be replaced by doctors who are in it for the RIGHT reasons.

There will be a period of pain which will pay off in the end...

ANd then the best and brightest go into other fields? What gives you or society the right to claim ownership on another person just because of the profession they have? What gives anyone the right to simply declare a person's individuality null and void just because you desire his services cheaper? Why can't I declare your profession "essential" and then take away your freedom?

Eventually there won't be "other" fields to go into for the greedy, but that's another topic.

The Right is given by the person who volunteers to participate in our society. What many people such as you neglect to recognize.

We will eventually get to the point where we all recognize our duty is to work yes for ourselves, but also for society and its betterment.

You are pretty #ing generous with someone else's time, education, skills, and life. And you call OTHER people greedy? Hypocrite.

There is no "RIght" to declare servitude on another just because you want his services. That is not "volunteering to participate in society"--that is servitude and something that fascists like yourself don't understand. Yeah, it is very easy to declare someone ELSE should work for the betterment of society...so, do you work for free for "the betterment of society?"

And yeah, I've been in the VA system too, and I think you are nuts if not a bit dishonest

edit on 5-11-2013 by NavyDoc because: (no reason given)

What you are doing is using semantics to your advantage. At my current job I don't consider myself in "servitude" to my customers. Only a sick person would think like this.

Secondly....as is often asked...WHO SAID ANYTHING ABOUT WORKING FOR FREE? You and others always skim over this!!! What is suggested is reigning in this greed and rush to get rich, pricing everything to a fair price (not just what the wealthy or well-saved can afford as we have now).

So no, I do not work for free I pay and make money of course. Lets take one aspect of my work, I prepare resumes for customers. I could be like some and charge $300 for my resume. The market would bear this as there are those who pay this! However their $300 resume is no better and at times WORST than mine! This is what has crippled our country, our prices are out of control using the "what the market can bear" as an excuse.

You are the one being dishonest if you prefer civilian care to military care. Yeah, we all fussed about it while we were in, but upon separation and going to the doctor the first time it is a huge SHOCK when we have to pay $100 for some allergy medicine we paid nothing for in the military! It's a shock when before we are even seen we must part with $30-$50 dollars for a copay!

Why not do it for free, if it is the for the good of society? That is the same principle in action--you just get upset when people point out the poor logic of it.

What do you charge for a resume? Whatever it is, it is too high and unfair because poor people who most need a resume to get a job are least likely to afford you so we, as a society, think you should only charge $1, who cares how many hours it takes you to make a good one, we should only permit you to charge $1. It is for the good of society.

Nope. I've been to many a VA. Only an idiot prefers VA care to civilian care. Now you blanch at the COST, you prefer the COST of VA care over civilian care, but you get what you pay for. You just don't like paying for a service...rather hypocritical since you charge for a service.

I know an individual who charges $1000 for what you (seem to ) do and he gets it because he has the clout, connections, and experience that make something with his touch worth it. Perhaps you can't get more than $300 for your product because you don't produce one that is worth it.

I get it, you don't want to pay for someone's service so you want to force them to work "for the good of society."

FlyersFan

DZAG Wright
Basically, you're one of those "if he dies...he dies" people? What type of society is that again?

How you came up with that crap is strange when all I said was ...

- Healthcare is a commodity and not a 'right'. Which is true.
- Doctors are not slaves to the state. And that's what you'd make them.

People have a right to be paid for their efforts.
It takes A LOT OF EFFORT for people to go through medical school.
They have a right to be reimbursed for their skills and knowledge.

edit on 11/5/2013 by FlyersFan because: (no reason given)

Well lets dissect what is asserted by your statements:

Healthcare is a commodity not a right: Not everyone in our society can afford commodities right? So is what we're saying that people who can't afford these commodities should not receive them? Correct me if I am wrong?

Are we not ALL slaves (if you want to use the term) to the State? Or should doctors be exhaulted over the rest of us and not have to play by the same rules?

Who said people don't have the right to be paid for their services? I'm sure I didn't! Even AHCA doesn't say so. What it is saying is that the value of their service will be given a value decided by society (which is what medicaide actually do).

One thing I've learned about government pricing is that they pay you according to a very detailed breakdown. THIS is what doctors are squawking about! Instead of determining their time is worth $3000 per hour, medicaid may say it's only worth $200 per hour.

DZAG Wright

beezzer
reply to post by DZAG Wright

 

So you DO think that government should determine the pay/salary of medical professionals, and everyone else associated within the medical field?

You say the government, I say SOCIETY! I think we need to reign in these salaries and set America on the correct path. Now if we do this of course we have to correct the other elevated expenses that go along with these such as education.

Yeah people will pout and stomp but eventually they will fall in line or.....what other choice do they have...detache themselves from society and go live on an island?

Or put them in some sort of "camp." Now...where has this been done before?

NavyDoc

DZAG Wright

StoutBroux

Cabin

No doctor´s salary should exceed 200k. Even that sounds extreme exploitation of people´s most basic needs.

Boy is that backwards. The one person who can possibly fix you so you don’t die and so you get healthy shouldn’t earn more than $200,000.00 a year????? So let’s see, it’s okay to earn more than that, MUCH more than that if for instance: you hit a small white ball into a small hole or a large orange ball into a large hoop; you walk down a catwalk wearing not much more than your underwear; you sit behind a desk and speculate what the NYSE is going to do and advise your customers; you drive a car very fast around a racetrack; you’re the CEO of a company that provides talkies to the population; you sit behind a large desk and figure out how to screw the American citizens while claiming ignorance of it all.

If anything, the doctors should be at the top of that elite heap and next should be teachers.

edit on 5-11-2013 by StoutBroux because: (no reason given)

Are you all for the people who safeguard this country (soldiers and police, etc) receiving a massive pay boost? I mean their job is possibly even more important than a doctors right?

No, they should do it for nothing for the good of society.

Away with the strawmen....

Again...WHO SAID ANYTHING ABOUT ANYONE WORKING FOR FREE? You can't honestly answer this can you?

DZAG Wright

NavyDoc

DZAG Wright

StoutBroux

Cabin

No doctor´s salary should exceed 200k. Even that sounds extreme exploitation of people´s most basic needs.

Boy is that backwards. The one person who can possibly fix you so you don’t die and so you get healthy shouldn’t earn more than $200,000.00 a year????? So let’s see, it’s okay to earn more than that, MUCH more than that if for instance: you hit a small white ball into a small hole or a large orange ball into a large hoop; you walk down a catwalk wearing not much more than your underwear; you sit behind a desk and speculate what the NYSE is going to do and advise your customers; you drive a car very fast around a racetrack; you’re the CEO of a company that provides talkies to the population; you sit behind a large desk and figure out how to screw the American citizens while claiming ignorance of it all.

If anything, the doctors should be at the top of that elite heap and next should be teachers.

edit on 5-11-2013 by StoutBroux because: (no reason given)

Are you all for the people who safeguard this country (soldiers and police, etc) receiving a massive pay boost? I mean their job is possibly even more important than a doctors right?

No, they should do it for nothing for the good of society.

Away with the strawmen....

Again...WHO SAID ANYTHING ABOUT ANYONE WORKING FOR FREE? You can't honestly answer this can you?

I've answered it over and over again. The principle of forcing someone to work for whatever you deem is "enough" for the "good of society" is exactly the same principle. You might as well use the exact same justification and say they should work for free "for the good of society" because that is what it all boils down to--someone else deciding to force someone to work for less than they want them to work for.

Like I said, for the good of society, you must only charge $1 for your resumes and you are a greedy bastard if you want to charge more.


Man, you are go damned kind, permitting me to make a certain wage after I put in decades of my life to learn my craft. Gee whiz, you are such a kind and generous person, thank you for determining what my life is worth and attempting to control it.

An article, with facts, that explains how doctors in the US are grossly overpaid.

www.bloomberg.com...

NavyDoc

DZAG Wright

NavyDoc

DZAG Wright

NavyDoc

DZAG Wright

badgerprints

kaylaluv
No biggie ..... they better get used to it now, because when we become single-payer, all citizens will be medicare/medicaid -- so the doctors will have to accept them anyway, or they will have zero patients. That won't be good for business.

Doctors don't have to stay in business.
They have degrees. They are pretty smart.
They can find other jobs that pay well.

We can't force them to work.
Half of the emergency rooms on border states have already shut down in the last 15 years because of the mandatory treatment laws.
Costs too much to run em for free.
Doctors will go work elsewhere.

Your next move will be mandatory assignment of doctors (by ones needs as decided by government.)

Good luck with that pancreatic cancer or COPD when your assigned doctor is a 24 year old intern who got his degree in Ixtapa.

edit on 3-11-2013 by badgerprints because: (no reason given)

As the doctors only in it for the money leave, they will be replaced by doctors who are in it for the RIGHT reasons.

There will be a period of pain which will pay off in the end...

ANd then the best and brightest go into other fields? What gives you or society the right to claim ownership on another person just because of the profession they have? What gives anyone the right to simply declare a person's individuality null and void just because you desire his services cheaper? Why can't I declare your profession "essential" and then take away your freedom?

Eventually there won't be "other" fields to go into for the greedy, but that's another topic.

The Right is given by the person who volunteers to participate in our society. What many people such as you neglect to recognize.

We will eventually get to the point where we all recognize our duty is to work yes for ourselves, but also for society and its betterment.

You are pretty #ing generous with someone else's time, education, skills, and life. And you call OTHER people greedy? Hypocrite.

There is no "RIght" to declare servitude on another just because you want his services. That is not "volunteering to participate in society"--that is servitude and something that fascists like yourself don't understand. Yeah, it is very easy to declare someone ELSE should work for the betterment of society...so, do you work for free for "the betterment of society?"

And yeah, I've been in the VA system too, and I think you are nuts if not a bit dishonest

edit on 5-11-2013 by NavyDoc because: (no reason given)

What you are doing is using semantics to your advantage. At my current job I don't consider myself in "servitude" to my customers. Only a sick person would think like this.

Secondly....as is often asked...WHO SAID ANYTHING ABOUT WORKING FOR FREE? You and others always skim over this!!! What is suggested is reigning in this greed and rush to get rich, pricing everything to a fair price (not just what the wealthy or well-saved can afford as we have now).

So no, I do not work for free I pay and make money of course. Lets take one aspect of my work, I prepare resumes for customers. I could be like some and charge $300 for my resume. The market would bear this as there are those who pay this! However their $300 resume is no better and at times WORST than mine! This is what has crippled our country, our prices are out of control using the "what the market can bear" as an excuse.

You are the one being dishonest if you prefer civilian care to military care. Yeah, we all fussed about it while we were in, but upon separation and going to the doctor the first time it is a huge SHOCK when we have to pay $100 for some allergy medicine we paid nothing for in the military! It's a shock when before we are even seen we must part with $30-$50 dollars for a copay!

Why not do it for free, if it is the for the good of society? That is the same principle in action--you just get upset when people point out the poor logic of it.

What do you charge for a resume? Whatever it is, it is too high and unfair because poor people who most need a resume to get a job are least likely to afford you so we, as a society, think you should only charge $1, who cares how many hours it takes you to make a good one, we should only permit you to charge $1. It is for the good of society.

Nope. I've been to many a VA. Only an idiot prefers VA care to civilian care. Now you blanch at the COST, you prefer the COST of VA care over civilian care, but you get what you pay for. You just don't like paying for a service...rather hypocritical since you charge for a service.

I know an individual who charges $1000 for what you (seem to ) do and he gets it because he has the clout, connections, and experience that make something with his touch worth it. Perhaps you can't get more than $300 for your product because you don't produce one that is worth it.

I get it, you don't want to pay for someone's service so you want to force them to work "for the good of society."

What's poor logic is the suggestion anyone is being asked to work for free...

Most of my resumes actually are free as I work for a non-profit and only charge for resumes on the side.

If society deemed resumes to only be worth $1 then so be it.

The individual you know who charges $1000 is guilty of what has destroyed this country (and is enticing to greedy people in other countries). He has found a niche of people who have it and WILL pay this and he is taking advantage of them. As someone who writes resumes...LOL.....there is NO WAY IN HAIL...it can ever be worth $1000!!!!

I mean thank you for that as it is EXACTLY WHAT DESTROYED OUR COUNTRY!

NavyDoc

DZAG Wright

NavyDoc

DZAG Wright

StoutBroux

Cabin

No doctor´s salary should exceed 200k. Even that sounds extreme exploitation of people´s most basic needs.

Boy is that backwards. The one person who can possibly fix you so you don’t die and so you get healthy shouldn’t earn more than $200,000.00 a year????? So let’s see, it’s okay to earn more than that, MUCH more than that if for instance: you hit a small white ball into a small hole or a large orange ball into a large hoop; you walk down a catwalk wearing not much more than your underwear; you sit behind a desk and speculate what the NYSE is going to do and advise your customers; you drive a car very fast around a racetrack; you’re the CEO of a company that provides talkies to the population; you sit behind a large desk and figure out how to screw the American citizens while claiming ignorance of it all.

If anything, the doctors should be at the top of that elite heap and next should be teachers.

edit on 5-11-2013 by StoutBroux because: (no reason given)

Are you all for the people who safeguard this country (soldiers and police, etc) receiving a massive pay boost? I mean their job is possibly even more important than a doctors right?

No, they should do it for nothing for the good of society.

Away with the strawmen....

Again...WHO SAID ANYTHING ABOUT ANYONE WORKING FOR FREE? You can't honestly answer this can you?

I've answered it over and over again. The principle of forcing someone to work for whatever you deem is "enough" for the "good of society" is exactly the same principle. You might as well use the exact same justification and say they should work for free "for the good of society" because that is what it all boils down to--someone else deciding to force someone to work for less than they want them to work for.

Like I said, for the good of society, you must only charge $1 for your resumes and you are a greedy bastard if you want to charge more.


Many, you are go damned kind, permitting me to make a certain wage after I put in decades of my life to learn my craft. Gee whiz, you are such a kind and generous person, thank you for determining what my life is worth and attempting to control it.

edit on 5-11-2013 by NavyDoc because: (no reason given)

edit on 5-11-2013 by NavyDoc because: (no reason given)

Just pouting and foot stomping...

Perhaps we should spit society into those who agree to what society suggests and those who don't. An example is some will agree a resume is worth from $1 to $300, and then we have those who insist upon charging $1000. If society is aware of the price set, how many will keep the $1000 man in business?

DZAG Wright

beezzer
reply to post by DZAG Wright

 

So you DO think that government should determine the pay/salary of medical professionals, and everyone else associated within the medical field?

You say the government, I say SOCIETY! I think we need to reign in these salaries and set America on the correct path. Now if we do this of course we have to correct the other elevated expenses that go along with these such as education.

Yeah people will pout and stomp but eventually they will fall in line or.....what other choice do they have...detache themselves from society and go live on an island?

Hey. Fair enough. You answered the question and for that, I thank you. At least you are honest.

My response?

Um, no. The day I let someone else, anyone else determine what I should make/charge for my services is the day that they'll have to shoot me.

DZAG Wright

NavyDoc

DZAG Wright

NavyDoc

DZAG Wright

NavyDoc

DZAG Wright

badgerprints

kaylaluv
No biggie ..... they better get used to it now, because when we become single-payer, all citizens will be medicare/medicaid -- so the doctors will have to accept them anyway, or they will have zero patients. That won't be good for business.

Doctors don't have to stay in business.
They have degrees. They are pretty smart.
They can find other jobs that pay well.

We can't force them to work.
Half of the emergency rooms on border states have already shut down in the last 15 years because of the mandatory treatment laws.
Costs too much to run em for free.
Doctors will go work elsewhere.

Your next move will be mandatory assignment of doctors (by ones needs as decided by government.)

Good luck with that pancreatic cancer or COPD when your assigned doctor is a 24 year old intern who got his degree in Ixtapa.

edit on 3-11-2013 by badgerprints because: (no reason given)

As the doctors only in it for the money leave, they will be replaced by doctors who are in it for the RIGHT reasons.

There will be a period of pain which will pay off in the end...

ANd then the best and brightest go into other fields? What gives you or society the right to claim ownership on another person just because of the profession they have? What gives anyone the right to simply declare a person's individuality null and void just because you desire his services cheaper? Why can't I declare your profession "essential" and then take away your freedom?

Eventually there won't be "other" fields to go into for the greedy, but that's another topic.

The Right is given by the person who volunteers to participate in our society. What many people such as you neglect to recognize.

We will eventually get to the point where we all recognize our duty is to work yes for ourselves, but also for society and its betterment.

You are pretty #ing generous with someone else's time, education, skills, and life. And you call OTHER people greedy? Hypocrite.

There is no "RIght" to declare servitude on another just because you want his services. That is not "volunteering to participate in society"--that is servitude and something that fascists like yourself don't understand. Yeah, it is very easy to declare someone ELSE should work for the betterment of society...so, do you work for free for "the betterment of society?"

And yeah, I've been in the VA system too, and I think you are nuts if not a bit dishonest

edit on 5-11-2013 by NavyDoc because: (no reason given)

What you are doing is using semantics to your advantage. At my current job I don't consider myself in "servitude" to my customers. Only a sick person would think like this.

Secondly....as is often asked...WHO SAID ANYTHING ABOUT WORKING FOR FREE? You and others always skim over this!!! What is suggested is reigning in this greed and rush to get rich, pricing everything to a fair price (not just what the wealthy or well-saved can afford as we have now).

So no, I do not work for free I pay and make money of course. Lets take one aspect of my work, I prepare resumes for customers. I could be like some and charge $300 for my resume. The market would bear this as there are those who pay this! However their $300 resume is no better and at times WORST than mine! This is what has crippled our country, our prices are out of control using the "what the market can bear" as an excuse.

You are the one being dishonest if you prefer civilian care to military care. Yeah, we all fussed about it while we were in, but upon separation and going to the doctor the first time it is a huge SHOCK when we have to pay $100 for some allergy medicine we paid nothing for in the military! It's a shock when before we are even seen we must part with $30-$50 dollars for a copay!

Why not do it for free, if it is the for the good of society? That is the same principle in action--you just get upset when people point out the poor logic of it.

What do you charge for a resume? Whatever it is, it is too high and unfair because poor people who most need a resume to get a job are least likely to afford you so we, as a society, think you should only charge $1, who cares how many hours it takes you to make a good one, we should only permit you to charge $1. It is for the good of society.

Nope. I've been to many a VA. Only an idiot prefers VA care to civilian care. Now you blanch at the COST, you prefer the COST of VA care over civilian care, but you get what you pay for. You just don't like paying for a service...rather hypocritical since you charge for a service.

I know an individual who charges $1000 for what you (seem to ) do and he gets it because he has the clout, connections, and experience that make something with his touch worth it. Perhaps you can't get more than $300 for your product because you don't produce one that is worth it.

I get it, you don't want to pay for someone's service so you want to force them to work "for the good of society."

What's poor logic is the suggestion anyone is being asked to work for free...

Most of my resumes actually are free as I work for a non-profit and only charge for resumes on the side.

If society deemed resumes to only be worth $1 then so be it.

The individual you know who charges $1000 is guilty of what has destroyed this country (and is enticing to greedy people in other countries). He has found a niche of people who have it and WILL pay this and he is taking advantage of them. As someone who writes resumes...LOL.....there is NO WAY IN HAIL...it can ever be worth $1000!!!!

I mean thank you for that as it is EXACTLY WHAT DESTROYED OUR COUNTRY!

You are such a contradiction in terms. You work for an non-profit (how am I not surprised by that...some leftist "community organizer" perhaps?) and charge for resumes on the side? Why not do them for free just like you do at the non-profit? You must be greedy and money hungry! HOW DARE YOU! How dare you charge some people for something you do for free to other people.

The very way you think this was shows you haven't a clue about medicine...I give away a lot of my services for free too...from operation smile to volunteer clinics, but screw me if I don't want to be a slave to the state.

Society does have a way of controlling wages--the free market. The further you distance things from the free market the worse it gets.

Bull#...people gaining skills and providing goods and services that people want is WHAT MADE THIS COUNTRY. It is SOMETHING FOR NOTHING FREELOADERS like yourself that have DESTROYED THIS COUNTRY. THANK YOU FOR BEING A DRAIN ON SOCIETY AND A BURDON TO THE PRODUCTIVE.

beezzer
So basically, you're in favour of government dictating salary based upon profession.

You do know that this has been attempted before in other countries.

Not all professions, but doctors are one position which should, reasonable salary though, 1.5 - 3 times the nationl average, for certain specialists a´la heart surgeons up to 4-5 times.

Doctors in many European countries are government employees like police, firefighters or public school teachers, in some even university lecturers and overally that is working well.


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Nobody has said anything about no pay, but reasonable one as I mention above.

For me, it seems as if you are basically saying that people who can not afford treatment should just die off...

One´s financial status should not dictate whether he/she survives or not. Everybody have the same right to live. Why should people be financially "punished" for receiving worse genetics? There are many diseases which make working/studying significantly harder for people, so how should they earn their extreme income needed for "survival"? For example, certain adrenal gland issues, which are quite common, can cause exhaustedness, concentration. How can you expect the person to be productive at work wich such issues so that he/she can earn enough to survive.What should a 27 year old do if he/she gets some bad disease? Just couple of years out of college does not usually earn well. Just die? Get into extreme debt added to the college costs to survive?

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No doctor´s salary should exceed 200k. Even that sounds extreme exploitation of people´s most basic needs.

Boy is that backwards. The one person who can possibly fix you so you don’t die and so you get healthy shouldn’t earn more than $200,000.00 a year????? So let’s see, it’s okay to earn more than that, MUCH more than that if for instance: you hit a small white ball into a small hole or a large orange ball into a large hoop; you walk down a catwalk wearing not much more than your underwear; you sit behind a desk and speculate what the NYSE is going to do and advise your customers; you drive a car very fast around a racetrack; you’re the CEO of a company that provides talkies to the population; you sit behind a large desk and figure out how to screw the American citizens while claiming ignorance of it all.

If anything, the doctors should be at the top of that elite heap and next should be teachers.

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Are you all for the people who safeguard this country (soldiers and police, etc) receiving a massive pay boost? I mean their job is possibly even more important than a doctors right?

No, they should do it for nothing for the good of society.

Away with the strawmen....

Again...WHO SAID ANYTHING ABOUT ANYONE WORKING FOR FREE? You can't honestly answer this can you?

I've answered it over and over again. The principle of forcing someone to work for whatever you deem is "enough" for the "good of society" is exactly the same principle. You might as well use the exact same justification and say they should work for free "for the good of society" because that is what it all boils down to--someone else deciding to force someone to work for less than they want them to work for.

Like I said, for the good of society, you must only charge $1 for your resumes and you are a greedy bastard if you want to charge more.


Many, you are go damned kind, permitting me to make a certain wage after I put in decades of my life to learn my craft. Gee whiz, you are such a kind and generous person, thank you for determining what my life is worth and attempting to control it.

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Just pouting and foot stomping...

Perhaps we should spit society into those who agree to what society suggests and those who don't. An example is some will agree a resume is worth from $1 to $300, and then we have those who insist upon charging $1000. If society is aware of the price set, how many will keep the $1000 man in business?

Meh, the pouting and foot stomping are those who demand some one's else's labor for whatever they decide they want it for.

Here is a better idea, how about letting people be free to make their own decisions? If people think that a $1000 is worth it, they will flock to him, if not, he'll adjust down to $500, or $300, or $200, or $50. The free market works if it is allowed to. The problem is that leftist non-profit types like yourself do not want it to work.

Cabin

beezzer
So basically, you're in favour of government dictating salary based upon profession.

You do know that this has been attempted before in other countries.

Not all professions, but doctors are one position which should, reasonable salary though, 1.5 - 3 times the nationl average, for certain specialists a´la heart surgeons up to 4-5 times.

Doctors in many European countries are government employees like police, firefighters or public school teachers, in some even university lecturers and overally that is working well.


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Nobody has said anything about no pay, but reasonable one as I mention above.

For me, it seems as if you are basically saying that people who can not afford treatment should just die off...

One´s financial status should not dictate whether he/she survives or not. Everybody have the same right to live. Why should people be financially "punished" for receiving worse genetics? There are many diseases which make working/studying significantly harder for people, so how should they earn their extreme income needed for "survival"? For example, certain adrenal gland issues, which are quite common, can cause exhaustedness, concentration. How can you expect the person to be productive at work wich such issues so that he/she can earn enough to survive.What should a 27 year old do if he/she gets some bad disease? Just couple of years out of college does not usually earn well. Just die? Get into extreme debt added to the college costs to survive?

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You do realize that medical professions (ALL medical professions) would be affected by this, don't you?

RN's
LPN's
Techs
Biomeds
Cleaning staff
Sterilization staff
Office support
Sales staff
Billing departments
Anesthesia staff
Anesthesia techs
Groundskeepers
Maintenance staff

But sure, lets focus on the greedy doctors. (rolling eyes)

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Yes, all.

No person born into a modern country nowadays should be given the choice : pay or die.

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So you DO think that government should determine the pay/salary of medical professionals, and everyone else associated within the medical field?

You say the government, I say SOCIETY! I think we need to reign in these salaries and set America on the correct path. Now if we do this of course we have to correct the other elevated expenses that go along with these such as education.

Yeah people will pout and stomp but eventually they will fall in line or.....what other choice do they have...detache themselves from society and go live on an island?

Hey. Fair enough. You answered the question and for that, I thank you. At least you are honest.

My response?

Um, no. The day I let someone else, anyone else determine what I should make/charge for my services is the day that they'll have to shoot me.

But can you not see that this greed is what has upset this country? It's fine when a single person chooses to charge 100x what a product or service should charge. But what about when companies and corporations and EVERYONE begin doing this? Without wages inflating to meet this onslaught?

You get housing contractors who price their houses at $500000 when it only costs $100000 to build and make a profit. You have everyone raising their price to "what the market can bear" which means what the upper-middle class and rich can bear.

You get the little guys priced out of everything and beginning to grumble because they don't know WHAT is wrong, but they can sense SOMETHING is wrong.

So I amend what YOU can charge for your service, it's just that society should set what we deem a FAIR price for any services or products.

Dctors get paid so much because there is no free market when it comes to medical care.
The fees are all set by insurance companies and the government is lobbied hard by medical groups.
When was the last time you could shop around for a doctor for a procedure?