Massive amounts of methane spewing from the Arctic

jjkenobi
I don't know man. What's your response to 2013 being the calmest weather year ever? You mention extreme storms and such, but the data doesn't show it.

www.climatedepot.com... ally-low-levels/

www.usatoday.com...

www.washingtonpost.com...

Well, I don't know except that you're citing a story from a website claiming the weather isn't extreme, that also claims there was no radiation leak at Fukishima.

Physicist claims there was no radiation leak at Fukishima

I think I'll believe the hundreds of links I have provided over the past year in my threads versus a phony propaganda website claiming there hasn't been extreme weather or any other climate changes for that matter. I wonder who funds that website?

And the Post and USA Today...also, who gains by their phony stories. I don't believe anything I read in those papers including the worst of them all...the New York Times!

reply to post by Rezlooper


The radiation leak was inconsequential on a global scale. I'm pretty sure that's all he meant, and he is correct.

People who take in the information released without understanding the scales and values think it's really scary, but once you understand that the levels are very minute practically everywhere except onsite, I think it's time to call shenanigans.

reply to post by dlbott


The arctic isn't a very hospitable place. The logistics of getting men and machines there would be a nightmare and would far outweigh the benefits at least for now. Not saying it couldn't be done mind you as we do have the technology to perform such an operation. Just as the oil sands wasn't viable at one point in time as it was too costly for oil/gas companies to extract.

reply to post by webedoomed


From the article

Firstly let us get something clear. There was no Fukushima nuclear disaster. Total number of people killed by nuclear radiation at Fukushima was zero. Total injured by radiation was zero. Total private property damaged by radiation….zero. There was no nuclear disaster. What there was, was a major media feeding frenzy fuelled by the rather remote possibility that there may have been a major radiation leak.

At the time, there was media frenzy that “reactors at Fukushima may suffer a core meltdown.” Dire warnings were issued. Well the reactors did suffer a core meltdown. What happened? Nothing.

- See more at: www.cfact.org...

What nonsense

webedoomed
reply to post by Rezlooper

 

The radiation leak was inconsequential on a global scale. I'm pretty sure that's all he meant, and he is correct.

People who take in the information released without understanding the scales and values think it's really scary, but once you understand that the levels are very minute practically everywhere except onsite, I think it's time to call shenanigans.

If the world was led by similar logic. Then you are correct on one thing...we be doomed.

reply to post by Rezlooper


Show me where that is wrong.

I challenge you.



I'm recruiting you to join in.

Show me where that was wrong.

Thanks!


DIrectely after the section rez quoted, I found this:

Certainly from the ‘disaster’ perspective there was a financial disaster for the owners of the Fukushima plant. The plant overheated, suffered a core meltdown, and is now out of commission for ever. A financial disaster, but no nuclear disaster. - See more at: www.cfact.org...

and

Recently some water leaked out of the Fukushima plant. It contained a very small amount of radioactive dust. The news media quoted the radiation activity in the physics measure of miliSieverts. The public don’t know what a Sievert or a milliSievert is. As it happens a milliSievert is a very small measure.

Doubling a very small amount is still inconsequential. It is like saying: “Yesterday there was a matchstick on the football field; today there are two matchsticks on the football field. Matchstick pollution has increased by a massive 100% in only 24 hours.”

The statement is mathematically correct but silly and misleading.

- See more at: www.cfact.org...

.. and there you have it, folks ... you've been mislead. No understanding of scale in relation to presented value.

It would be nice if some type of submersed structure was designed to extract this gas before it reaches the surface. Like something that sits on the sea floor latex like with expansion properties that is grounded to see floor and gas will build up inside latex like bladder and be extracted from structure above for energy usage. Will be keeping this in mind more now since data is being shared more on the methane developments.

NAMASTE*******

Yes, if the greenhouse effect gets out of hands, mother nature finds way to balance the system. Its bad for us humans, and animals. The balancing system is gulf current, it slows down when Earth is getting warmer. As it slows down, it doesn't bring so much warm air and water to Northern Europe and Arctic. Ice cover will spread out. More light gets reflected back to space, this lessens the warming effect. Oceans will get colder. Cold sea is excellent way to capture CO2, the colder the water is, more it captures CO2. There will be Ice Age and temperatures drop down around the world, while ice sheets grow in north and south. Even more light gets reflected back to space. And Ta-da! Greenhouse effect is gone, Earth will be cold, maybe too cold. Getting back to warmer era takes thousands of years.

The atmosphere of the planet just before the 'Great Oxygenation Event' (GOE) was methane. As free oxygen moved into the atmosphere above oxygen saturated oxygen sinks, it oxidised the atmospheric methane and turned it into the weaker greenhouse gas carbon dioxide and water, turning the planet colder and triggered the Huronian Glaciation period. This trapped massive amounts of methane, and with continued organism waste over the millions of years has added to planetary methane amounts.

It has been known for many decades that the trapped methane would one day be released into the atmosphere, all it required was the right conditions. Where methane found release into the atmosphere, it would undergo oxidation with atmospheric oxygen, and drop back into the seas as carbon dioxide and water. However, many seas are already at saturation point as carbon dioxide sinks, and thus the CO2 has nowhere to go. So, although carbon dioxide is weaker than methane as a greenhouse gas it is increasing, and thus trapping and warming areas of the planet. This kick starts the feedback loop, where warming causes more methane release, particularly from areas of thawing permafrost, thus adding more carbon dioxide from oxidised methane.

The process starts slow, but over time, begins to speed up. Eventually the ratio between oxygen and methane switches towards methane favour, and towards that point, oxygen-breathing life forms will start to die off, including of course, mankind. Other factors to take into consideration as this methane injection occurs, is how the extra heat disrupts the quasi-balanced and moderate climate the planet has had for hundreds of thousands of years. Disruption to the planet's moderate climate is the first sign that changes are occurring. What we won't see initially is a continued disruption, we will experience brief anomalous extreme weather events of unusual intensity, then a return to moderation.

As the changes continue in earnest, extreme weather events will become more frequent and severe, acting as preludes to difficult conditions arriving. Man's fossil fuel usage and polluting will add to the mix and help to speed things up. We won't make the change to clean energies, and even if we did, I think it is now to late, we simply can't take out of the environment what we have dumped into it for over 300 years of industrial revolution, we've helped to saturate the carbon sinks of the seas, and we have cut down most of the land-based carbon sinks...the trees.

Carbon dioxide heat is going to increase, and this will lead to thawing permafrosts and ice, and vast quantities of methane will be released back into the atmosphere. While it was only carbon dioxide we had to contend with, we had an option to scale back, but now it does indeed look like methane release is under way, and there isn't a damn thing we can do about it. With methane release occurring on the scale it's occurring, and no doubt will increase, oxygen-breathing life forms are now in long term peril, with the emphasis on 'long term' shortening every passing year.

This knowledge will want to be kept from the masses. It will be cleverly rebutted, denied, and shouted down, more for the sake of both social order and profit. Mankind is probably on death row, with its allotted rendezvous with extinction set and unalterable.

KellyPrettyBear

This may well be the start of our extinction event.
Ive been yelling about it for years. Almost nobody cares.

Go figure.

I've been at this theory in numerous threads for the past year, and yeah, it's amazing how so many refuse to pay attention, or write it off as nothing and yet, every day these events continue right before our eyes!

reply to post by Rezlooper


I like the idea of capturing the methane and using it as an alternative fuel source. The benefits would be astronomical! If the methane is causing the co2 which will in turn deep freeze the planet then using it as a fuel source would begin the healing process for the planet and therefore save mankind. I for one refuse to believe that it is too late to affect any changes.

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Rezlooper this should help give everyone a idea how much methane being released.
nothing like a pretty picture to get the point across.

I know this is a little off topic question but is that you in your avatar dressed like a
Klingon?

elysiumfire
The atmosphere of the planet just before the 'Great Oxygenation Event' (GOE) was methane. As free oxygen moved into the atmosphere above oxygen saturated oxygen sinks, it oxidised the atmospheric methane and turned it into the weaker greenhouse gas carbon dioxide and water, turning the planet colder and triggered the Huronian Glaciation period. This trapped massive amounts of methane, and with continued organism waste over the millions of years has added to planetary methane amounts.

It has been known for many decades that the trapped methane would one day be released into the atmosphere, all it required was the right conditions. Where methane found release into the atmosphere, it would undergo oxidation with atmospheric oxygen, and drop back into the seas as carbon dioxide and water. However, many seas are already at saturation point as carbon dioxide sinks, and thus the CO2 has nowhere to go. So, although carbon dioxide is weaker than methane as a greenhouse gas it is increasing, and thus trapping and warming areas of the planet. This kick starts the feedback loop, where warming causes more methane release, particularly from areas of thawing permafrost, thus adding more carbon dioxide from oxidised methane.

The process starts slow, but over time, begins to speed up. Eventually the ratio between oxygen and methane switches towards methane favour, and towards that point, oxygen-breathing life forms will start to die off, including of course, mankind. Other factors to take into consideration as this methane injection occurs, is how the extra heat disrupts the quasi-balanced and moderate climate the planet has had for hundreds of thousands of years. Disruption to the planet's moderate climate is the first sign that changes are occurring. What we won't see initially is a continued disruption, we will experience brief anomalous extreme weather events of unusual intensity, then a return to moderation.

As the changes continue in earnest, extreme weather events will become more frequent and severe, acting as preludes to difficult conditions arriving. Man's fossil fuel usage and polluting will add to the mix and help to speed things up. We won't make the change to clean energies, and even if we did, I think it is now to late, we simply can't take out of the environment what we have dumped into it for over 300 years of industrial revolution, we've helped to saturate the carbon sinks of the seas, and we have cut down most of the land-based carbon sinks...the trees.

Carbon dioxide heat is going to increase, and this will lead to thawing permafrosts and ice, and vast quantities of methane will be released back into the atmosphere. While it was only carbon dioxide we had to contend with, we had an option to scale back, but now it does indeed look like methane release is under way, and there isn't a damn thing we can do about it. With methane release occurring on the scale it's occurring, and no doubt will increase, oxygen-breathing life forms are now in long term peril, with the emphasis on 'long term' shortening every passing year.

This knowledge will want to be kept from the masses. It will be cleverly rebutted, denied, and shouted down, more for the sake of both social order and profit. Mankind is probably on death row, with its allotted rendezvous with extinction set and unalterable.

Fantastic post! I couldn't have said it better myself.

elysiumfire
The atmosphere of the planet just before the 'Great Oxygenation Event' (GOE) was methane. As free oxygen moved into the atmosphere above oxygen saturated oxygen sinks, it oxidised the atmospheric methane and turned it into the weaker greenhouse gas carbon dioxide and water, turning the planet colder and triggered the Huronian Glaciation period. This trapped massive amounts of methane, and with continued organism waste over the millions of years has added to planetary methane amounts.

It has been known for many decades that the trapped methane would one day be released into the atmosphere, all it required was the right conditions. Where methane found release into the atmosphere, it would undergo oxidation with atmospheric oxygen, and drop back into the seas as carbon dioxide and water. However, many seas are already at saturation point as carbon dioxide sinks, and thus the CO2 has nowhere to go. So, although carbon dioxide is weaker than methane as a greenhouse gas it is increasing, and thus trapping and warming areas of the planet. This kick starts the feedback loop, where warming causes more methane release, particularly from areas of thawing permafrost, thus adding more carbon dioxide from oxidised methane.

The process starts slow, but over time, begins to speed up. Eventually the ratio between oxygen and methane switches towards methane favour, and towards that point, oxygen-breathing life forms will start to die off, including of course, mankind. Other factors to take into consideration as this methane injection occurs, is how the extra heat disrupts the quasi-balanced and moderate climate the planet has had for hundreds of thousands of years. Disruption to the planet's moderate climate is the first sign that changes are occurring. What we won't see initially is a continued disruption, we will experience brief anomalous extreme weather events of unusual intensity, then a return to moderation.

As the changes continue in earnest, extreme weather events will become more frequent and severe, acting as preludes to difficult conditions arriving. Man's fossil fuel usage and polluting will add to the mix and help to speed things up. We won't make the change to clean energies, and even if we did, I think it is now to late, we simply can't take out of the environment what we have dumped into it for over 300 years of industrial revolution, we've helped to saturate the carbon sinks of the seas, and we have cut down most of the land-based carbon sinks...the trees.

Carbon dioxide heat is going to increase, and this will lead to thawing permafrosts and ice, and vast quantities of methane will be released back into the atmosphere. While it was only carbon dioxide we had to contend with, we had an option to scale back, but now it does indeed look like methane release is under way, and there isn't a damn thing we can do about it. With methane release occurring on the scale it's occurring, and no doubt will increase, oxygen-breathing life forms are now in long term peril, with the emphasis on 'long term' shortening every passing year.

This knowledge will want to be kept from the masses. It will be cleverly rebutted, denied, and shouted down, more for the sake of both social order and profit. Mankind is probably on death row, with its allotted rendezvous with extinction set and unalterable.

scary... so... how much time left till the start of dying ?

KrzYma
scary... so... how much time left till the start of dying ?

13 Years.

reply to post by webedoomed


do you really believe what you are spouting?....if thats what you need to believe to get to sleep at night kuddos for you but dont expect others to ....your head must be so far up your own a## that you smell roses even if someone were to point out that is the smell of SH##....

great thread by the way OP ...the only way people will take notice sadly is when it affects their daily lives until that point in time we just get to watch the roller coaster crash and burn

Vexatious Vex

KrzYma
scary... so... how much time left till the start of dying ?

13 Years.

13 Years when ??? Oktober 31st ? and where will it start first ? or will it happen like a switch... off... and we all dead ?
Maybe not 13 Years but it has already started, dying birds and other species...
if so, why some cluster of people didn't die ? must be an larger event such CO2 cloud if it kills in masses

...

OK, maybe different... how long will it take till we realise people are dying because they can not brief ???

will/can somebody survive this??

reply to post by Rezlooper

Once again, I'm not trying to create doom porn here.

Well you should do a little research first then.

I'm just trying to point out the obvious...something is off with mother nature. How do we explain the increase in these events;

Who says there has been an increase? An increase in detection as more and more exploration for oil and gas is performed is much more likely.


@dlbot

For me it is free energy let's get it. I'm really surprised we are not capturing this gas.

Some is captured off the California coast, not sure if it is at Coal Oil Point, but there are others too I think. Oil and methane seeps are found all over the world, and provide the food for organisms at the base of the food chain. Methane Munchers. In the Gulf of Mexico it is believed that without the seeps (500+ at last count) there would be much less life due to the lack of the small organisms the bigger ones feed on.

Coal Oil Point seep field

en.wikipedia.org...

skuly
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Rezlooper this should help give everyone a idea how much methane being released.
nothing like a pretty picture to get the point across.

I know this is a little off topic question but is that you in your avatar dressed like a
Klingon?

edit on 31/10/2013 by skuly because: my spelling

It's Halloween...that's my costume

Thanks for posting the picture, it does bring it home a bit.

I don't suppose there's an off chance that the methane will cancel out the radiation from Fukushima or vice versa, is there?

Or that our Reptilian Overlords are more susceptible to high methane levels than regular humans are?

Gawd, it's like the world's scariest science fiction novel but it's all real.

I can't think of an ecological system that isn't fully in dire straits or a governmental system that isn't fully corrupt.

And the only proof anyone needs that the 'Defense Department' hasn't got our best interests (or their own) at heart is the total lack of concern for either the methane or the radiation problems.