Enoch's Dudael

that last post was directed at you, utnapisjtim (notice the -im at the end of your name? sounds like more than one person)

originally posted by: undo
i think that link i posted proves that black holes, white holes and wormholes, do exist.

Despite some tantalizing data, they are all still regarded as hypothetical by physicists.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: undo
i think that link i posted proves that black holes, white holes and wormholes, do exist.

Despite some tantalizing data, they are all still regarded as hypothetical by physicists.

did you watch the video on dailymotion, i posted? i hunted that down for utnapisjtim (and you, apparently). they are not equivocating their comments on the topic with "hypothetical" anymore

originally posted by: chr0naut
I was aware that attempts had been made to change rates of atomic decay but was unaware that there had been any real progress (except under extreme magnetic fields or as a result of increased neutrino flux. In either case, the changes were minute). Please forward me any links you have on this.

I tried to do a search for the article I read about a year and a half ago I think, it was summer out, I remember I was researching the history of the Great Seal on the dollar note, and the symbol below showed up somewhere along the run:



The article I read was about certain (inner?) elements, and about half way down the page, the author referred to some rather recent research made into speeding up or reducing half-life of violent matter. I'll search some more, and hopefully I'll remember this at some point and drop you the link to the article.

Thorium deposits can also occur naturally, from natural fission (as happened in Oklo, Gabon) and also from stellar nucleosynthesis.

But such large quantities of Thorium must have come from decaying plutonium or highly reactive (enriched) Uranium products as far as I can turn it. And in Gabon, the isotopes they found there, I may be wrong, but when looking into this a few years back, I figured plutonium had to have been involved. And plutonium shouldn't occur naturally. The apparent trace amounts of certain plutonium isotopes are explained with spontaneous fission:

en.wikipedia.org...

These trace amounts of 239Pu originate in the following fashion: On rare occasions, 238U undergoes spontaneous fission, and in the process, the nucleus emits one or two free neutrons with some kinetic energy. When one of these neutrons strikes the nucleus of another 238U atom, it is absorbed by the atom, which becomes 239U. With a relatively short half-life, 239U decays to 239Np, which decays into 239Pu.

I find this explanation spurious. Also check out the amount of deutrium on Earth compared to other planets in our solar system. The Rig Veda (I think) speaks of ancient nuclear wars, whole cities blown to pieces instantly and where water sources were polluted leaving religious art of people with elephant heads and androgynous blue dudes with four arms. I believe Earth was terraformed by an alien race who also colonised Mars or Eden (Paradeisos), Adama the "Red Earth" with it's two angels (two moons) and the shining sword that moves back and forth complicating the path to the Tree of Life (the regular apparent retrograde movement Mars draws on the Zodiac as Earth pass in between Mars and Venus).

Well, if you can travel from other stars, you can probably also make energy out of just about anything, and design new life by moulding clay and 3D scan it, hook off Elohim brain, monkey frame, pig engine and smelly feet, then hit print and have a fit Adam prototype walking around giving names to all your other projects.

Also, to produce the vast amounts of O3 to make a functioning ozone shield allowing for land life, demands incredible amounts of energy, and I have yet to see a solid argument for how this could be happening naturally, within a pocket of a few hundred thousand years, and exactly at the time when the Uranium in Gabon was reactive. About a billion years ago. Hmmm....

Nuclear Transmutation ==> en.wikipedia.org...

p.s. gravity lensing = watery appearance

originally posted by: undo

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: undo
i think that link i posted proves that black holes, white holes and wormholes, do exist.

Despite some tantalizing data, they are all still regarded as hypothetical by physicists.

did you watch the video on dailymotion, i posted? i hunted that down for utnapisjtim (and you, apparently). they are not equivocating their comments on the topic with "hypothetical" anymore

As said in this 15 year old documentary "it means that Silk and Reece's theory may be right". Still a theory.

Also, last year we got better data on the theorized black hole in the center of the Milky Way apparently swallowing a star. Which supports their hypothesis but still isn't strong enough yet for us to be absolutely certain that black holes exist (including supermassive ones).

As for me, I'd agree that both supermassive black holes and wormholes exist.

What I cannot see is that a supermassive blackhole could be spinning at superluminal speeds, thereby creating a wormhole traversible by objects larger than atoms.

a reply to: undo

Yes, and I believe they lived north of the Black Sea ("Sea of Death"). The Mariner's name is Heimdall in Norse tradition and he brought with him Vanen Njord whom I believe was Enki. Noatun means Shipyard in Old Norse, notice Noa. Like in the Bible Heimdall had three sons, one named Trell (Slave) who was black and the two other social castes, the citizens and the nobility. Heimdall was the son of nine mothers, just like there are nine mothers from Eve to Noah's mother in the Bible. The first verse of Parasha Noach contains Utna-ishtim written in code. The rainbow appears in all sources, the primordial giants and gods all show up in one or other form. Same story different wrappings. Noah was the greatest story told in the time of Abraham. The number one best seller.

The distance across the Sea of Death is given as 2 x 60 measures. How wide is the Black Sea Across? Shortest crossing from south to north would be about 400 km or about 2000 stades, an astronomical unit standardised in Ur where 600 stades equaled 1 arc degree, which gives a stadium at about 185 meters. Now 2 x 60 x 185 = 22200. Now, have you seen these numbers anywhere else?

originally posted by: undo
p.s. gravity lensing = watery appearance

Possibly, but it's a stretch. I would have suspected a rather smooth and more 'lens like' appearance (hence the name).

Most of the instances of gravitational lensing in Astronomy are where the image of a star is repeated around what is assumed to be a dense object.

a reply to: chr0naut

swallowing gas. if it swallowed a star, it would've went into active phase and that would be BAD! lol that's why the gate of the wormhole itself (my theory) is a teleporter that injects the (did you read the IBM teleportation link i posted?) atoms of the thing to be teleported, into the wormhole, where the gate at the other end, reconstructs the original.

originally posted by: Utnapisjtim

originally posted by: chr0naut
I was aware that attempts had been made to change rates of atomic decay but was unaware that there had been any real progress (except under extreme magnetic fields or as a result of increased neutrino flux. In either case, the changes were minute). Please forward me any links you have on this.

I tried to do a search for the article I read about a year and a half ago I think, it was summer out, I remember I was researching the history of the Great Seal on the dollar note, and the symbol below showed up somewhere along the run:

The article I read was about certain (inner?) elements, and about half way down the page, the author referred to some rather recent research made into speeding up or reducing half-life of violent matter. I'll search some more, and hopefully I'll remember this at some point and drop you the link to the article.

Thorium deposits can also occur naturally, from natural fission (as happened in Oklo, Gabon) and also from stellar nucleosynthesis.

But such large quantities of Thorium must have come from decaying plutonium or highly reactive (enriched) Uranium products as far as I can turn it. And in Gabon, the isotopes they found there, I may be wrong, but when looking into this a few years back, I figured plutonium had to have been involved. And plutonium shouldn't occur naturally. The apparent trace amounts of certain plutonium isotopes are explained with spontaneous fission:

en.wikipedia.org...

These trace amounts of 239Pu originate in the following fashion: On rare occasions, 238U undergoes spontaneous fission, and in the process, the nucleus emits one or two free neutrons with some kinetic energy. When one of these neutrons strikes the nucleus of another 238U atom, it is absorbed by the atom, which becomes 239U. With a relatively short half-life, 239U decays to 239Np, which decays into 239Pu.

I find this explanation spurious. Also check out the amount of deutrium on Earth compared to other planets in our solar system. The Rig Veda (I think) speaks of ancient nuclear wars, whole cities blown to pieces instantly and where water sources were polluted leaving religious art of people with elephant heads and androgynous blue dudes with four arms. I believe Earth was terraformed by an alien race who also colonised Mars or Eden (Paradeisos), Adama the "Red Earth" with it's two angels (two moons) and the shining sword that moves back and forth complicating the path to the Tree of Life (the regular apparent retrograde movement Mars draws on the Zodiac as Earth pass in between Mars and Venus).

Well, if you can travel from other stars, you can probably also make energy out of just about anything, and design new life by moulding clay and 3D scan it, hook off Elohim brain, monkey frame, pig engine and smelly feet, then hit print and have a fit Adam prototype walking around giving names to all your other projects.

Also, to produce the vast amounts of O3 to make a functioning ozone shield allowing for land life, demands incredible amounts of energy, and I have yet to see a solid argument for how this could be happening naturally, within a pocket of a few hundred thousand years, and exactly at the time when the Uranium in Gabon was reactive. About a billion years ago. Hmmm....

Nuclear Transmutation ==> en.wikipedia.org...

Hmm, something to think on but I'll be non-commital until I run the numbers.

I'm pretty sure that other nuclear abundances fit current theory. I can remember seeing a study on meteor impacts by determining changes in isotope abundance of Potassium 40 & 41 in tree rings, fossils and ice cores. I think there have also been similar studies but using different isotopes, too.

I would imagine that ancient atmospheric nuclear detonations would mess with those abundances (but again, I have not run the numbers and cannot say either way).

Ozone can be made from Oxygen (O2) with electrical action, x-rays or ultraviolet light. The reaction is as follows:

O2 + photon (radiation λ < 240 nm) → 2 O (i.e: UV splits the molecule, producing atomic oxygen. Then), O + O2 + M → O3 + M (where "M" is a catalyst that carries off the excess energy of the reaction).

(Or through radiative means) α + β− + O2 → He + O3 (which also explains helium abundances)

The energy is great but Earth has been sitting here in the Sun for some time!

p.s. the ancient texts seemed to suggest such a gate journey was not human friendly, and was a one way trip for humans (perhaps the gates originally were not tuned to reconstruct human tissue??)

originally posted by: undo
a reply to: chr0naut

swallowing gas. if it swallowed a star, it would've went into active phase and that would be BAD! lol that's why the gate of the wormhole itself (my theory) is a teleporter that injects the (did you read the IBM teleportation link i posted?) atoms of the thing to be teleported, into the wormhole, where the gate at the other end, reconstructs the original.

If by "swallowing gas" you were referring to the star falling in to the black hole, then yes, you are correct.

It has been 'spaghettified' into an extended gas cloud by the black hole but I still refer to it as a star because it has not lost its radiance.

In fact the acceleration and tidal forces have made the in-falling matter hotter and more radiant.

originally posted by: chr0naut
... I'd agree that both supermassive black holes and wormholes exist.

I am not so sure. I believe what we see is an optical illusion due to something basic and elemental, some sort of distortion in the fabric of space, something able to distort currents of photons on an epic scale compared to gravitational lensing from the sun etc, that happens due to the shape of things. For all we know what we see is energy turning into matter or simply the light from the star being reflected or magnified, almost like how your head turns upside down in a lense or reflected inside a spoon, or some sort of space-time polarisation

And. We humans record images like frames on a film and inside our brains there is a director that decides what to show and what not to show, and in what rythm the humans within a time-room shall work in (you look awfully groovy sometimes). And what you see in front of you right now is a composite from what the brain has been recording for the last 15 seconds or so. The way the brain works, allows for some pretty amazing experiences, just by moving according to a certain geometry or perform certain movements in given directions humming certain syllables in a certain order, you can open pathways to other times and places. They say there is a spell that turns England invisible....

a reply to: chr0naut

I suppose, but I still don't get it to add up. Cosmic radiation and radiation from the Sun can account for there being ozone present here (as in trace amounts, since we have abundance of water, but it all seems to have happened within a very short period of time. And what's the deal with our nitrogen? This place is designed for life.

Nitrogen:
Atomic number 7
Makes up 77% of the Earth's atmosphere
The 7th most common element in the Universe
Liquifying or boiling point at 77°K

originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
a reply to: chr0naut

I suppose, but I still don't get it to add up. Cosmic radiation and radiation from the Sun can account for there being ozone present here (as in trace amounts, since we have abundance of water, but it all seems to have happened within a very short period of time. And what's the deal with our nitrogen? This place is designed for life.

Nitrogen:
Atomic number 7
Makes up 77% of the Earth's atmosphere
The 7th most common element in the Universe
Liquifying or boiling point at 77°K

We couldn't see it if we weren't here but, yeah.

a reply to: chr0naut

Also, the orbits of our planets?!? It's ridiculous! Someone has been levelling and ordering the orbits here, and as far as I can see, the way they did it was with a structure like the New Jerusalem. It is so huge it has gravitational properties allowing for manipulating direction, spin and turn the planet like on a pivot, I've written quite a lot on it, and done even more thinking, I have diagrams of the box covering a wall of my apartment and for quite a few years I planned to study architecture just so I could work on this cosmic stumbling block. For all I know, I am inside it now, having switched vessel from the smelly one to the stupid who was with everyone at one point in time, and didn't know why. I have a checklist I go through to make sure I am in my right person. You can't see the rainbow inside the Cubus Christi. Closest thing they get is by spraying oil into clouds. Planes make metallic echo sounds like inside tubes or empty apartments. Drrrrr. There are some quite amazing worlds a few floors up, where we make most of your dreams, low gravity allows for flying and jumping skyhigh, and scenarios and effects and an armory that would dwarf any computer game.

a reply to: Utnapisjtim

quantum physics stuff? so you are saying new jerusalem is currently in the sky but we can't see it?

a reply to: undo

I call the process dancing. Me and a future me switch vessels, I have many mes. Even a couple of mini-mes making me dizzy and car sick, there are weird worlds, lady, most of us have died several times, we normally just don't notice it and we can all do magnificent things, like in Matrix one could learn to master just about anything instantly. At least one of you is a nuclear physicist and at least one of you has a burning saxophone. I don't play the piano very well, but sometimes when everything is just right I play it like a pro. Same with guitar or any musical instrument for that matter. Luck in games.

You can theoretically walk inbetween the frames of this here augmented reality and turn the dice in the factory to give you seven straight snake-eyes. Time is a stupid measure man has put on decay and movement. History is just history because of one thing. Technological progress. Sometimes I can easily remember future events, and how I suddenly recognise my exact wherabouts in a dream, and I simply knew what would happen. Which was basically to think about that exact thing, the awareness, the lucidity, how we program ourselves to function and survive, love and deliver 7c by changing body with future or past versions of yourself in your chain. Time doesn't exist, consciousness and memory does. Intellectual and technological development does. Movement and decay. Life is eternal and it always ends well. And there's a lesson to be learned every day. Time is just a machine that makes two arms move at different speeds.

a reply to: Utnapisjtim

I have been writing a play about the descent of the New Jerusalem.

First thought to be a planet killer NEO, then realized to be an 'artificial' structure, a kind of alien space ship.

Early explorers try and explain that it is like it was perfectly built for human beings but find it essentially empty, with a calculated tenant capacity that exceeds the population of the Earth and everything you could ever want supplied from by automation somewhere internal to the city. It is so large it has its own ecologies as well as providing a convenient elevator into space.

While some people begin to see it as the prophesied New Jerusalem, a refuge from Earth's damaged ecology and dwindling resources, others fear that it is some sort of a trick to entrap the human race and steal their resources.

Eventually, millions begin migrating there.

The drama comes from the decision to enter and leave everything else behind (because those who enter usually don't find any reason to ever leave), or to tough it out outside.

... and there is hope for the 'outsiders' too because it appears that the cube is remediating the damages wrought by humanity and industry, filtering the atmosphere, extracting pure water (which runs out underneath the city) and controlling the weather around it.

Both governments and individuals are pushed to make some hard decisions.

How would you decide?