Utah ancient rock: US scouts could face charges

reply to post by Jedimind


I finally saw the video.

IF the rock was in a national or State Park etc. then fine them suitable for their income levels and require XX hours of community service . . . posting signs about such; cleaning up; cleaning toilets etc.

IF the rock was on unprotected otherwise public or private lands . . .

--if private--ask the landowner if he wants to press charges. Follow accordingly.

--if public--why such a big deal. That particular rock WAS VERY CLOSE to falling after a few more rain storms and freezing/thawing winters anyway.

The noise on this thread is as though each and every case of such rocks is a PRICELESS HERITAGE.

How many 10's of THOUSANDS of PRICELESS can there be? Sheesh.

The numbers of such rocks has probably never even been calculated there are so many of them. They are NOT individually priceless regardless of all the noise hereon to the contrary.

BO XIAN
The numbers of such rocks has probably never even been calculated there are so many of them. They are NOT individually priceless regardless of all the noise hereon to the contrary.

To me, they are as priceless as you or me, as they are unique.
Even the idiot that pushed the rock is priceless.

reply to post by hounddoghowlie


Natural selection. 'Nuff said.

reply to post by ArMaP



After one has seen a thousand and more of them for the several thousandth time . . . they got boring a long time before that.

They are neat in their own way. But the uniqueness is likely very over-rated. Some ARE very unique. Most are not.

BO XIAN
reply to post by ArMaP

 

After one has seen a thousand and more of them for the several thousandth time . . . they got boring a long time before that.

They are neat in their own way. But the uniqueness is likely very over-rated. Some ARE very unique. Most are not.

You may not appreciate nature in it's pristine condition, but others do.

BO XIAN
After one has seen a thousand and more of them for the several thousandth time . . . they got boring a long time before that.

That depends on who is looking, but I think preventing other from seeing it is always wrong.

reply to post by Restricted


Uhhhhhh . . . just how many 10's of THOUSANDS of acres of

PRISTINE

do you NEED?

Or are you part of the globalist oligarchy that worships Nature as god . . . and is determined to exterminate 6.8 BILLION individual unique souls and herd the rest into Soviet style rabbit warren apartments to function as the serfs and slaves needed to keep the machines going for the elite to enjoy the PRISTINE Nature as THEIR sole playground?

BTW, the coming bombs and massive quakes are likely to shake a LOT of those rocks off their perches.

reply to post by ArMaP


So . . . how much of NM, AZ & Utah have you driven through for how many hours how many times?

IT sounds like you have little to no appreciation for the realities here.

Goblin Valley State Park is very unique. I've never seen a place like it which lets visitors freely climb and wander around the rocks. It is not prohibited even to climb on top of the features, but there are signs at the entrance which recommend against this, both for the hazards of rockfall and to prevent damage to the site. It seems that the local operators of the park do not like visitors getting too close to things, but rules at the state level do not reflect this; all the park can do is to ask you nicely to keep off.

The leaders had no excuse. Do they do this on their trips to mountaintops too? Push rocks off the side to make things 'safer'? Anybody walking around in Goblins will quickly gather some respect for these towering blobs of rock, and it's easy to use common sense to see what is safe for climbing, and what looks loose. Most people follow the signs, and don't climb around too much. Those that climb generally know what they are doing, and would understand loose rocks as a risk of their hobby, not something to be 'mitigated.'

reply to post by BO XIAN


You're over the top. Get a grip.

BO XIAN
So . . . how much of NM, AZ & Utah have you driven through for how many hours how many times?

I never went to the US, but I never got bothered with seeing any natural landscape, even if I saw it dozens of times, as there's always some small details that I missed all the other times.

IT sounds like you have little to no appreciation for the realities here.

I just think we have different opinions about reality.

reply to post by Restricted


Over the top?

According to what criteria based on what foundational value system vetted by what universal, eternal authority?

To me, it's over the top to WANT to mess over several blokes' lives for some very ill-advised but relatively inconsequential mayhem.

Those rocks are NOT GOD. I suggest folks quit worshiping them.

Capitalizing Nature does NOT make Nature God.

reply to post by BO XIAN


You're the kind of guy who develops land because you can make a profit. You're the kind of guy who fishes out the oceans. You're the kind of guy who thinks strip-mining is okay. You're the kind of guy who hunts just for the thrill of killing something.

I wish you were the minority.

reply to post by ArMaP


That's likely.

And, mostly, I do appreciate the unique landscapes we have in these parts. I just don't worship it. And I certainly don't worship one redundant example of thousands of rocks on flimsy pinnacles.

The vast desolation in these parts is extensive . . . with such rocks scattered over thousands of such acres. Even dedicated explorers and adventurers don't venture there very often. It's just not THAT exciting. There's plenty of excitement available--such as is available--within a relatively short walk of 100's of parking areas.

Lizards and bugs and occasional buzzards are likely the only things that see most such rocks for millennia. Native Americans don't even frequent most such areas. There's little to no water. No plant life of any great significance. The soils are interesting to a point if one is a geologist . . . but after a few hours . . . one has seen it all.

It's a bit like going to the 10,000th Walmart parking lot and seeing the asphalt or concrete for the 50,000th time. Big thrill.

let us not enjoy the beauty of nature untouched by humans hands, let us destroy or exploit it. let us not compliment and encourage people for their accomplishments, let us deride them for their failures. let us not listen to people and consider their opinions as worthy, let us call them names and dismiss them as being simpletons. let us not build things, let us tear them down, let us not fix things, but leave them to break or fail. let us not punish greed, but worship it. let us not become more educated, and become dismissive of those who are. let us not chastise those that have no empathy for others, let's call them strong and focused.......let us not wallow in Americas greatness, let us work to form a more perfect union.

reply to post by Restricted


Thankfully,

YOUR LEAP TO TOTALLY WRONG ASSUMPTIONS is classic hereon.

You're wrong on all counts. All counts.

I'm not like any of those.

When I was younger, I backpacked a lot and loved the wilderness. It was a sacred experience fostering a greater appreciation for God The Creator.

I just didn't worship the creation.

If strip mines are needed, I think they must put the landscape back in an improved condition. Not just like it was. Less erosion and better plant life. If it revers to former states after that, so be it.

Stewardship of the planet is an important concept. That does NOT mean worshiping every blessed redundant hoodoo.

BO XIAN
And, mostly, I do appreciate the unique landscapes we have in these parts. I just don't worship it. And I certainly don't worship one redundant example of thousands of rocks on flimsy pinnacles.

I don't worship anything.

It's just not THAT exciting.

Big thrill.

I'm not talking about excitement or thrill, I'm just talking about being able to look at something that may look like something else but that has some small things that make it unique. That's what makes it interesting being part of a forum like ATS, the small differences that make each one of us a unique creature.

And it's true, there aren't two parking lots that look exactly alike, there are always small differences.

reply to post by BO XIAN


As someone who rarely gets to see such things I believe I probably appreciate them more than you do. I'd like to see them as nature left them.

As for not being the kind of person I described, I'm glad to hear it.

PS: As I hike these kinds of places I like to envision them before man got to them. This country must have been spectacular. This kind of destruction ruins the experience for other people.

badgerprints

Nah,
No need for that.
Charge them several thousand, give em 20 years solitary confinement and then have a hundred girl scouts pelt em to death with stale snickerdoodles.

They look like they are already on a death sentence of girl scout cookies....

On a side note does anyone who sees this as "just a rock how cares" have a problem if I go into the redwood forest and get me some fire wood from those big dead trees?

LeChatNoir
Goblin Valley State Park is very unique. I've never seen a place like it which lets visitors freely climb and wander around the rocks. It is not prohibited even to climb on top of the features, but there are signs at the entrance which recommend against this, both for the hazards of rockfall and to prevent damage to the site. It seems that the local operators of the park do not like visitors getting too close to things, but rules at the state level do not reflect this; all the park can do is to ask you nicely to keep off.

The leaders had no excuse. Do they do this on their trips to mountaintops too? Push rocks off the side to make things 'safer'? Anybody walking around in Goblins will quickly gather some respect for these towering blobs of rock, and it's easy to use common sense to see what is safe for climbing, and what looks loose. Most people follow the signs, and don't climb around too much. Those that climb generally know what they are doing, and would understand loose rocks as a risk of their hobby, not something to be 'mitigated.'

100% Spot On. Well said.