Electromagnetism, UFOs, and the Weaponization of Alien Technology

From the reading I've done on Vallee, I would say that his idea of a "Control System" was more along the lines of his conjectures of a 'supernatural' source of UFO/alien abduction phenomena…
…I think that hwith regard to "experiments" with the "Control System", his intentions were to somehow 'trick' that "source" into revealing itself…

And even as he began to attribute certain societal effects to a human control system - he used the term "manipulators" to describe both human and (his conjectures of) supernatural sources and, I think, felt that the subject was not a matter of one or the other, but that the human factors were 'riding the coattails' and utilizing false versions of the supernatural phenomena to further their own 'control system' agendas….I hope that all makes sense...

Just came across a fascinating article, which I'm linking, but really can't quote or describe, because it contains so much and connects so much of everything talked about in this thread so far (and adds even more connections) that you really have to just go and read it, because there's no way to adequately summarize it..

aliens and gnotics and shamans, oh my

I'll be interested to see what you all think of it….be warned it is long and 'involved'…
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Shoot!! Can't get the link to work, I'll keep trying…meanwhile, if you want to search, it is an article in "New Dawn Magazine" called, "The Eden Experiment"…oh and it derives heavily from Jacque Valle's works, and adds some new twists, so really worth the read..

reply to post by lostgirl

I think that's a lot of it with the added aspect that he believes our own mythologies impact the phenomena in ways that shape its future manifestations.

He seems to lean towards Jung to some degree. Something like "mythology can create new human experiences that sometimes have physical properties." I guess that's what you are saying, too?

The thinking of Vallee and the social engineering intelligence apparatus viral meme crowd seems to be that if his theories are correct, then the "system" can be used to shape societal conditions by those who understand it.

I think that they got in over their heads and probably only THINK they understand the supernatural and as such became its puppets.

Thanks for the heads up, here's that link:

The Eden Experiment

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The Eden Experiment: Aliens, Archons & the Associative Universe

The GUT beat me to it! hahahaha

Looks pretty good though. Forgot about New Dawn magazine. My kind of combination of info.

The GUT
Funny you mention Poppy Bush and the convenient memory-fog regarding his whereabouts the day JFK was killed. I woke up this morning and the following picture came to mind and I jokingly asked myself, "I wonder where Alexander was the day Kennedy was killed?"

Now, of course, I don't seriously suggest Alexander's involvement.

But I do make personal note that JFK was the last thing that stood in the way of the Military-Industrial Complex and the Globalist wetdream and the fascination these questionable folk have for one another throughout all the various storylines we've discussed in this thread….Birds of a Feather and all that.

Synchronicity's a funny thing…
From the first I ever read about Globalists and NWO, I have felt that the assassination of JFK was a factor (necessity) in moving any such agenda forward…
And certainly, both Oswald's and Jack Ruby's parts in the assassination (and aftermath) smack heavily of mind control….just sayin'….

And I do believe I recall reading that Bush was a member of the CIA during the "Bay of Pigs" debacle…or at least his name was mentioned as one of the primary advisors to JFK to move ahead on the plan, even though it was known that there were intelligence leaks all over the thing…

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Right on, lostgirl. I highly recommend the following well-researched book. Not only informative but a really great read:

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The GUT
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He seems to lean towards Jung to some degree. Something like "mythology can create new human experiences that sometimes have physical properties." I guess that's what you are saying, too?

I'm not sure what I think about that…although I would say that "new human experiences" probably feed into the Collective Unconsciousness…
Then again, maybe that leads us back into the thought-form/ tulpas area?

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That sounds like a great read, I'll have to put it on my list…

You know, since I started 'picking up' on all this Bush family 'stuff', it has just boggled my mind! I mean, even Bush senior seems such the idiot, how the heck has he managed all the machiavellian antics?!?

lostgirl
I'm not sure what I think about that…although I would say that "new human experiences" probably feed into the Collective Unconsciousness…
Then again, maybe that leads us back into the thought-form/ tulpas area?

I'm not sure what I think about it either, but Vallee seems to suggest it many times in his books while never being totally clear. He also seems, like Jung, to contradict himself at times. I think he's opaque because to test his theories he feels he has to hold back.

My impression is that Vallee has identified some very important aspects of the phenomenon, but that maybe he doesn't understand it as well as he thought he did. I certainly think there's a 'supernatural' component to much of what falls under the heading of ufology and its probably much too smart to be manipulated by mere mortals.

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I woke up this morning and the following picture came to mind and I jokingly asked myself, "I wonder where Alexander was the day Kennedy was killed?"

For what it's worth, the infamous "Dead Man's Trigger" document describes Gordon Novel and John Alexander in relation to JFK's assassination. Make of it what you will:

corsair00
For what it's worth, the infamous "Dead Man's Trigger" document describes Gordon Novel and John Alexander in relation to JFK's assassination. Make of it what you will:

WSFM (Weird Science and Frikkin Magic)…I love that!

I've never heard of this document, where's it from?

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It's juicy, great information until I reveal the source. Then everybody always goes "Oh. Yeah, nevermind."

Dr. Steven Greer and The Disclosure Project.

Yup!

Greer was working with Gordon Novel in the last years of Novel's life, and they were co-ordinating deals with his CIA handler to work on alternative energy technologies, as he had apparently owned the intellectual copyrights on many technologies, as revealed in his explosive Project Camelot interview. Of course, he ended up dead not that long ago under mysterious circumstances himself. Around this time, Greer and company were the recipients of all kinds of intelligence games and PsyOps, so Greer decided to make a "Dead Man's Trigger" document, in the event he was arrested or murdered. The document was given to several Disclosure Project representatives to hold onto for safekeeping. Alfred Webre surreptitiously leaked the PDF copy of a transcript of Greer's testimony for "Dead Man's Trigger", which is only a small part of the overall package. There is allegedly a huge archive of additional documents. Webre released it under strange circumstances which only give credence to the PsyOps of making Greer look like he had done something illegal, which is all revealed in the testimony itself. The Exopolitics site that Webre had this document hosted on has now removed all links to it. I have it archived, however.

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Oh. Yeah, never mind.
Haha

Actually that stuff is pretty interesting if it can be verified.
Unfortunately I don't trust much of anything Greer has to say.

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Throw the babies out with the bathwater!

haha

Gordon Novel and John Alexander and the other spooks with Greer. Think about it... It's all part of the game. It's all valid information too.

The way I personally look at it is Greer is just one dude. He is weird and suspicious to people. But most of what he is saying comes from networking with whistleblowers. That he has networked with whistleblowers is totally well-established and proven. Greer does sometimes drop unsubstantiated claims and anecdotes, all the time, but once you get a handle on the players and the agendas, you will see the puzzle pieces fit together.

What I think people are actually doing, with Greer, is reacting in a cliquey type mindset, much like in high school when the cool kids don't want to be associated with the dorks. I swear, that's all it is. You are all afraid of being thought a fool by looking into someone who is deemed untrustworthy.

I don't fall for that kind of s***.

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Actually, the idea that he may have been involved with some of the spooks makes me even more suspicious of him. I have long thought he may have been a plant. A provocateur, if you will. Seeing his name pop up in those circles pretty much confirms my long-held suspicions. So there was nothing cliquey about it. At least not on my end.

And with that in mind, I don't trust his dead-man's trigger either. Convenient that it "slipped out." But, it is still worth paying attention to I suppose.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if someone found a CIA paycheck stub with his name on it.

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Well, if anyone could confirm that Greer had metastatic cancer back in 1996 - 97 (and then what? he went into remission?), I think that would pretty well validate the "Dead Man's Trigger" doc...

It seems to me a guy like Valle and all his reductionist theories is a bit hyper intellectual and typically displayed a Dawkins like human arrogance as if human beings didn’t murder their own children, starve and exterminate whole branches of the human family, despoil and destroy the environment, torture and oppress its own, and fail miserably to even attempt to deal with these issues, while maintaining an oblivious attitude towards universal destruction.

As hokey and dogmatic as the AA theorists are at least they have a sensible perspective of the predicament of the human race. That is were pretty f…up and don’t know much how to deal with it.

Forgive me for sounding preachy…but to me the point revolves around the developmental evolution of the of the human family or the devolution of it…or real knowledge as opposed to surreal ignorance, or the good for some versus the good for all.

I could, from a certain perspective, understand a guy trying to infiltrate the control groups, but it seems to me that the researchers with the most accolades from their fellow researchers have always seemed to be the ones laying down with the CIA and related organizations.

Many of these types who are so enamored of themselves and their vaunted “human intelligence” don’t seem to understand the simplest of maxims.

If you lie down with dogs you come up with fleas.

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The bit about cancer was just one snapshot from the document. There's all kinds of weird info in there. Most of it is about The Orion Project and their alternative energy "R&D" efforts! Basically, none of it is going anywhere because Alexander and company have other plans. What those plans are, we don't know yet. A staged event perhaps. Or an "Elysium" scenario where the rich elite make it off planet, and the rest of us suffer on a dying Earth.

Yeah, he had cancer. And yeah, Congressman Schiff was working with him and died of cancer - as did Greer's side kick, Sheri Adamiak. This was all in the late 1990s. People that are new to this only know Greer from his silly CSETI pictures on ATS. So, it's really a totally different thing altogether. CSETI is totally different from The Disclosure Project. But I digress...

I mean, what we are really talking about are OPPOSING FACTIONS within the intelligence apparatus. Yes, the CIA is totally involved. Gordon Novel was straight up connected to CIA. But does that mean "they" are all "bad guys"? No, of course not. The other factions, with the Alexanders and the Aquinos etc. Now, are they bad?



We don't want cognitive dissonance tampering with our view of what is going on. It's not all one thing. It is competing spheres of power and renegades trying to do the right thing. To think that Greer is hanging out with Alexander is a mistake, in my humble opinion. There is a power struggle at play here...

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Very interesting!

www.whale.to...

After nearly 80 years of research and development there is now a way to simulate a real heart attack and to give a healthy person cancer. Both have been used as a means of assassination. Only a very skilled pathologist, who knew exactly what to look for at an autopsy, could distinguish an assassination induced heart attack or cancer from the real thing.
Is death by heart attack, burst aneurysm, of cerebral hemorrhage a “natural cause”? Not if government agencies have found a way to influence your heart rate, blood pressure, or vascular dilatation. Neurological research has found that the brain has specific frequencies for each voluntary movement called preparatory sets. By firing at your chest with a microwave beam containing the ELF signals given off by the heart, this organ can be put into a chaotic state, the so-called heart attack. In this way, high profile leaders of political parties who are prone to heart attacks can be killed off before they cause any trouble.
....Among the witnesses, important people and conspirators who might have been eliminated by induced heart attack and cancer are: Jack Rudy (died of a stroke due to an undiagnosed form of aggressive cancer, just weeks after he agreed to testify before Congress about the JFK assassination), Clay Shaw, J. Edgar Hoover, Earlene Roberts (Oswald’s land-lady), Marlyn Monroe, Slobodan Milosevic, Kenneth Lay (former CEO of ENRON – the largest political campaign contributor of Gorge W Bush and Dick Cheney), Matt Simmons, Mark Pittman (a reporter who predicted the financial crisis and exposed Federal Reserve misdoings. Pittman fought to open the Federal Reserve to more scrutiny), Elizabeth Edwards (suddenly diagnosed with cancer while her husband was campaigning against Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton for the presidency of the United States. During a campaign speech to the Council on Foreign Relations in May 2007, Edwards called the War on Terrorism a slogan that was created for political reasons and that it wasn’t a plan to make the United States safe. He went further to compare it to a bumper sticker and that it had damaged the US’s alliances and standing in the world.), … enter here the names of every politically outspoken person, whistle blower or witness who died unexpectedly of a heart attack or who quickly died of an incurable cancer.

and this

an article by Lieutenant Colonel John B. Alexander, entitled "The New Mental Battlefield -- Beam Me Up, Spock", provides further insight into the technical capabilities now at the disposal of the controllers. He writes: "Several examples will demonstrate areas in which progress has been made: The transference of energy from one organism to another. The ability to heal or cause disease can be transmitted over a distance, thus inducing illness or death for no apparent cause. [1994] Serge Monast Talk Explaining NASA's Project Blue Beam

And fromore on Alexander

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An article by Lieutenant Colonel John B. Alexander, entitled “The New Mental Battlefield — Beam Me Up, Spock“, provides further insight into the technical capabilities now at the disposal of the controllers. He writes: “Several examples will demonstrate areas in which progress has been made: The
transference of energy from one organism to another. The ability to heal or cause disease can be transmitted over a distance, thus inducing illness or death for no apparent cause…”

On Lee Harvey Oswald

Jack Ruby, the assassin who killed US president John Kennedy’s alleged assassin Lee Harvey Oswald, died from lung cancer in 1967. What was strange was the cancer cells were not the type that originate in the respiratory system. He told his family that he was injected with cancer cells in prison when he was treated with shots for a cold. He died just before he was to testify before Congress.

Is this the kinder and gentler world that Aquino and Alexander discuss?

Now we need to look at Project Paperclip; was this a wholesale injection of the Nazi virus into the U.S Intel body, metastasizing into the cancers of the JFK assassination, MK-Ultra, and the WTC attacks.

Are the Nazis in charge, and have they been for a long time. People speak of Prescott Bush (grand patriarch of the clan), as if his trading with the enemy was just for the money, yet dismissing Prescott's own eugenics/fascist leanings, and those passed on to Poppy. From his anti-semitic college instructor, right through to the quite large number of people with Nazi/fascist pasts who he tried to include into his administration.

Look at the U.S post 9-11, and some of the seemingly quite fascistic political mind games (as well as laws created), from the administration of GW Bush (the election thief!), and you wonder - is the Bush clan the worst thing that could happen for anyone with even slightly left-leanings, and have they pushed and prodded the U.S.A toward a totalitarian state?

Willtell
If you lie down with dogs you come up with fleas.

Them dang fleas. Persistent buggers.

Personally, I find Vallee to be the most intellectually deep and stimulating of ALL the ufologists. By far.

On page 6 of this thread, we looked at a lot of quotes from Forbidden Science Journal Two, where Doc Jacques made many less-than-positive statements about his experiences with the intelligence cadre----including the strong insinuation that both he and his family were threatened by them.

The question becomes: Is he trying to distance himself from the keen eye of history, or do those statements indicate a man whose brilliance was used, abused, and compromised and thusly wants the truth to be told someday?

Either way, they tell us a lot about what we're up against in this day and age.

It's my conviction that--one day soon--we're gonna wake up and find that the world has become like some high-budget Hollywood spectacle with special FX galore and we're gonna have the choice to believe it or not.

Mebbe me tinfoil's a bit too tight, mebbe it ain't…but my best guess is that someone has some very strange surprises for us ahead.

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For someone wanting a more concise statement about ET physics and the expected human appreciation of them, see the current thread A note on Mitchell in the new section. Actually, it is well understood that the US government had first dibs on the all of that material and data and turned it over to civilian businesses such as the old Bell Labs to find out what made it tick.

I frankly see no reason to delve into the philosophical positions of the possible players. Even ideologies would not be that important as the world powers then and now grapple for control via greed and power via any means militarily and economically. Even the Pope would get into the act.

Personally, my view is that the alien physics of the typical UFO reengineered into our black triangles have given us the greatest development since the invention of the wheel, both as weapons of war, space exploration and transportation in general. It is the reality of the black triangles and probably space platforms enabled by them that keep the Chinese from cashing out our bucks that they are holding. If they attempt to sink us economically, we would literally sink them with war equipment most people can't even imagine.