Electromagnetism, UFOs, and the Weaponization of Alien Technology

26 October on C2C or Coast to Coast am brought up something called the Lilly Wave which can interfere with a humans brain wave functions. Darpa has and is doing major research efforts in both the transmission and effects of Lilly waves.

It was the first time I had ever heard of this wave. The brain works the range of 0-20 and is broken down to the Alpha, Beta wave frequencies etc. Lilly Waves can do all kinda of things to the human mind.

I went to youtube and found this video that (Jeff Rense interview) speaks about the Lilly Waves and how they can be used. I post for others that have not heard of these transmitted waves and want to do a little research.. The C2C was interesting especially if any of it is true.

The GUT

JayinAR
But it doesn't seem to happen to vehicles with a diesel motor. ... cuz the ignition coil isn't as high voltage.
Magnetic induced or ionized air are the two best things I could find as a possible cause.

A diese enginel, then, is less susceptible to magnetic interference? Because it seems like the 'magnetism' part of electromagnetism is the more active component (as in the "bending" of light.) Also remember the fairly recent findings of magnetite in our brains

edit on 27-10-2013 by The GUT because: (no reason given)

The voltage running through the ignition coil of a diesel engine isn't as high as that of a gas powered motor. Therefore it can handle more interference than can a gas powered motor. Whether that interference is a product of electromagnetic current or ionized air I don't know. Could be either and I am pretty sure the UFOs employ both.

Also, if you review the link I posted above about the toroidal optical effects in various UFO photos, you will see that the source of the light bending effects is most likely due to the light passing through an artificial gravity field. Not magnetics.

As for as the pole reversal jazz I am abandoning that junk. It appears we can't speak about that crap here.

corsair00
It was a little blurb that Dietrich did with a friend of mine on Exopolitcs UK. Aquino appeared out of nowhere a week or so before my thread and we had a conversation there.

Wait, you met Aquino prior to your two posts? If I'm understanding that correctly that's interesting. I'll need to process that.

He told me that he had just been made aware of Dietrich the day before. But actually, there was an ATS thread here where he said the same thing, but from several months earlier.

That's interesting, too, then. If true, it's either a case of early-onset senility or he was being disingenuous.

Dietrich had a lot of people tricked, but since then even my friend at Exopolitics UK has stated he is fishy as all heck. Not only that, but he is also extremely unstable - but he could also be the fall-out of mind control work. In which case he may actually have worked with Aquino after all. In which case, he might actually be telling the truth about some of his claims.

Hmmm, I hadn't thought of that possibility I admit. In that case, Dietrich would be something of a reverse press agent in a "there's no such thing as bad publicity" kind of way. Very psyopian were such a thing to be true.

Aquino has become quite the ATS darling, it seems. I blame you for that haha.

So Alexander saying I got most of that wrong from the start is also pretty vague. His AMA participation was almost entirely vague...Both of those 2 are clearly PsyOps anyways, so they cannot really be trusted entirely...That they are into the occult and paranormal research is very clear, and that I do believe is very genuine.

Luke, be aware, the Force is double-edged. In your threads, and since, you seemed to maybe have gone from being wary of the dark side to being attracted to it. It bothers me, I admit, when I think someone is cheerleading for that team. Especially someone I've become fond of. Like you.

It's always interesting when someone seems into the occult, but it turns out they have more leaning towards nuts and bolts materialism. How boring and out of date!

Now I'm offended. I think. Nuts & Bolts? Hrmmmph!

The GUT
reply to post by lostgirl

 

Note to Self: Bring lostgirl along on road trip.

Only if you have an infallible compass…I have the worst sense of direction in the universe!
If I were lost in the woods, walking in a circle, I would get half-way round and be remarking, "Hey, weird, the moss grows on the other side of the trees over here.."

My turn for a joke -


What do you get when you cross an insomniac, an agnostic, and a dyslexic?





A guy who lies awake all night wondering, "if there really is a dog…."

lostgirl
Only if you have an infallible compass…

I have always said I have a compass in my head (maybe it's the magnetite heheh.)

So, I will never forget hearing the smart-alecky voice of my ex coming from below me (the truck was on its side in a creek passenger side down):

"Yeeeeeeeeah, Mr. Compass-in-his head."

Hey, I was headed in the right direction. I just misjudged the creek that was between us and our destination…

Hey, Gut & Corsair….

Can we kiss and make up now? It's not pretty watching people one admires arguing - especially when it's over (what is essentially) the same case...

I think it's safe to say that the three of us (& one or two other posters here) are on the same page with regard to the multiple spiritual and physical factors inherent to the over-all question of UFO/supernatural entities phenomena…

We're all shooting arrows in the dark anyway, in hopes that bringing up any given topic in those 'areas', we'll spark a 'light bulb moment' and maybe get a better chance at hitting a target...

The GUT
Hey, I was headed in the right direction. I just misjudged the creek that was between us and our destination…

Oh, you men and your shortcuts….!


(we need a 'rolling eyes' icon)

lostgirl
Hey, Gut & Corsair….

Can we kiss and make up now? It's not pretty watching people one admires arguing - especially when it's over (what is essentially) the same case...

We're old friends here. We'll work it out. I think we're getting close to that.

Y'all know how prick-ly I can get. Especially when it comes to a certain group of folk that I often write about. Sorry.

reply to post by 727Sky

Hey thanks, Sky! I'll dig into that later. I'm thinking "Lilly" may refer to John Lilly?

…As Lilly refined his brain “maps,” officials of the CIA and other agencies descended upon him with a request for a briefing. Having a phobia against secrecy, Lilly agreed to the briefing only under the condition that it and his work remain unclassified, completely open to outsiders. The intelligence officials submitted to the conditions most reluctantly, since they knew that Lilly’s openness would not only ruin the spy value of anything they learned but could also reveal the identities and the interests of the intelligence officials to enemy agents. They considered Lilly annoying, uncooperative—possibly even suspicious…

….A few scientists like Lilly made up their minds not to cross certain ethical lines in their experimental work, while others were prepared to go further even than their sponsors from ARTICHOKE and MKULTRA. Within the Agency itself, there was only one final question: Will a technique work? CIA officials zealously tracked every lead, sparing no expense to check each angle many times over.

www.conspiracyarchive.com...

JayinAR

Erno86
I do have laser hologram photographic evidence about the dinosauroid race that some people call the "Grays", believe that they do consider themselves as Gaods. I...as a shaman priest, do consider them as my Gaods as well.

May I ask what a GAOD is?
Guardian Angel Of Destiny?

I figured that Gaod is a facsimile of God...as far as I can ascertain in the laser holographic image, that was projected onto my film; when I took the picture in 1972 --- at Calvert Cliffs Maryland. It was the letters of Gaod... that was projected above a laser holographic image of a possible dinosauroid humanoid, that also projected an image about the biblical story of Jonah and the Whale.

Now let’s get back on track

Were dealing with life and depth here!

A lot of rap on McKenna here

Clearing the record for the uninformed

Terence McKenna punch the CIA card.

I like McKenna and his time wave zero theory, though I haven’t checked how that turned out.

But according to many it’s quite clear Terence punched his CIA card.

No problem necessarily, but that’s something is good to know.



charlesfrith.blogspot.com...

disinfo.com...

www.gnosticmedia.com...

www.gnosticmedia.com...

Now Terence admitting this is a good thing. He may have been giving a warning in good faith

Watch out

JayinAR
Also, if you review the link I posted above about the toroidal optical effects in various UFO photos, you will see that the source of the light bending effects is most likely due to the light passing through an artificial gravity field. Not magnetics.

Thanks, Jay! The toroid may certainly relate to the counter-centrifugal-plasma engines that come up from time to time in ufology---especially when folk are discussing black-ops exotic propulsion and/or reverse engineering.

The Toroid, however, is most definitely associated with electromagnetism. Any reference to "optical toroid" seems to refer to the field disturbance of said toroidial and would basically amount to somehow seeing that magnetic field effect through the density of the atmosphere or some such:

Toroidal and poloidal

The earliest use of these terms cited by the Oxford English Dictionary (OED) is by Walter M. Elsasser (1946) in the context of the generation of the Earth's magnetic field by currents in the core, with "toroidal" being parallel to lines of latitude and "poloidal" being in the direction of the magnetic field (i.e. towards the poles)….

…As a simple example from the physics of magnetically confined plasmas, consider an axisymmetric system with circular, concentric magnetic flux surfaces of radius (a crude approximation to the magnetic field geometry in an early Tokamak but topologically equivalent to any toroidal magnetic confinement system with nested flux surfaces…

en.wikipedia.org...

Magnetic Field of Toroid

Finding the magnetic field inside a toroid is a good example of the power of Ampere's law. The current enclosed by the dashed line is just the number of loops times the current in each loop. Amperes law then gives the magnetic field by...

hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...

Here's an abstract from a Cornell Research Library physics paper on "Optical toroidal dipolar response" where the authors are describing a theory to hopefully make visible the usually invisible toroidal field. Note again that magnetism is key:

We demonstrate that the toroidal dipolar response can be realized in the optical regime by designing a feasible nanostructured metamaterial, comprising asymmetric double-bar magnetic resonators assembled into a toroid-like configuration.

It is confirmed numerically that an optical toroidal dipolar moment dominates over other moments. This response is characterized by a strong confinement of an E-field component at the toroid center, oriented perpendicular to the H-vortex plane. The resonance-enhanced optical toroidal response can provide an experimental avenue for various interesting optical phenomena associated with the elusive toroidal moment.

arxiv.org...

reply to post by Willtell

Great detective work, Willtell. Nicely played.

It would seem to fit snugly enough with the now all-too-familiar patterns and the "7-degrees of Kevin Bacon" connections we see again and again. Connections that are hard to ignore.

Not just between personalities and the intelligence apparatus, but between UFOs, Alien/Entity Contact, the Occult, EM, Remote Viewing, PSI, High Strangeness, Non-Lethal Weaponry, and the Intelligence Community...I'm sure I probably left something out.

"…when I reached La Churerra in 1971 I had a price on my head by the FBI, I was running out of money, I was at the end of my rope. And then “THEY” recruited me. And said, you know, with a mouth like yours there’s a place for you in our organization. And, uh, I’ve worked in deep background positions about which the less said the better. And then about 15 years ago they shifted me into public relations and I’ve been there to the present.” – Terence McKenna

If you have followed the work of mercurial, yet highly intellectual author and scholar, Jan Irvin, you’ve no doubt witnessed many a conversation revolving around the grand conclusion that the New Age and Psychedelic Movements were generated by the CIA

disinfo.com...

reply to post by The GUT


For some reason I did not specify in my OP that Aquino had contacted me through YouTube a week before. He sort of disappeared from there and never actually sent me the link to his review. I found it myself. I was looking around on ATS and discovered that people have been bringing Dietrich up to Aquino for quite some time now. But since he is PsyOps, it may just be easier to introduce himself out of nowhere by saying he was just recently made aware of Dietrich. But it still comes across as doing damage control, either way. At least to me. Either he wants to steer the conversation away from the child abuse and mind control, because it is not true and is damaging to his reputation, or because it actually happened. He offered information to disprove The Franklin Scandal, but I have been looking into that story for years and I know it to be absolutely rock-solid. Not necessarily the SAC Air Force base Johnny Gosch story. We have some pretty solid connections to Aquino through witness testimony. But it cannot or has not been proven in a court of law.

I had heard Dietrich 2 years ago on Coast to Coast AM and bought his DVDs. I was actually the one who pirated them on BitTorrent, which helped make him go a bit viral. My friend from Exopolitics UK was made aware of him through that, and networked with him. They even both made a few appearances on Project Camelot skype webinars. David Griffin, from Exopolitics UK, had been looking into The Bizarre Marconi Deaths, ET Bases & 1980s Falklands Conflict, and was fascinated at what Douglas Dietrich could spout out (at a million miles an hour) on the subject. Recently, David informed me that he asked Douglas to provide some documentation for his service in the military etc and Douglas actually blocked him from Facebook. Douglas' behavior has been very sketchy recently, and I have had him on my Facebook for over a month and can tell the dude is pretty loose mentally! Either way, David had originally done a 3 hour interview with Douglas and read a few questions I had sent in. I even got David to ask him about John Alexander. I had that clip on my YouTube, but as karma would have it, Douglas Dietrich sent in a copyright complaint for the video, which had used footage from his DVD and audio from a podcast, and my account was terminated. That had been my third strike. The other 2 were also mistakes, but I can't do anything about that now! The video clip had several comments from Aquino at the bottom. That was what inspired my thread, and because he came up here too, it took off and turned into the AMA as well. He at least deserves the attention for MindWar.

But you are right about the dark versus the light. You are very perceptive about that. I do have a tendency to sway either way. I am a very caring and loving person, but at the same time I have been royally screwed over by certain aspects of society I have very serious contempt for. So I can sort of go both ways. Hence my avatar picture - if you are familiar with that movie. That is the version of "disclosure" that I most support, by the way. I also apologize for suggesting you are a materialist haha. You don't support psychedelics, but neither do lots of people. Steven Greer knocks psychedelics lots in his books and even says that he met John Mack once who was ripped on mushrooms and actually tripping, over logs, as they walked in the woods. But then again lots of people don't even support Steven Greer either - and really, human interactions can get to be really messy and cliquey. I will hang out with and support anyone, even the underdogs and the crazy people.

Greer actually has published obscure reports of Alexander utilizing his non-local consciousness studies of death and combining it with his "non-lethal" weaponry. I have posted the story of Project Amethyst and the weapons technologies of severing the astral cord from the body on my Aquino thread. "Astral Body Extractions" is the name of a chapter in "Hidden Truth - Forbidden Knowledge". It gets into the idea that so-called "alien" abductions, at least a certain variety, if not all of them, are caused by this technological manipulation of people's etheric bodies. Notice how all of the abductees say they can move through walls and all sorts of paranormal situations. It is not their physical bodies - at least not according to this anecdotal evidence. I was actually going to make a post about that in response to the Jim Sparks info from a few pages ago, but many people discount anything from Greer and I just get crickets. I get information from a variety of sources and use my intuition on whether or not it is true. I don't throw babies out with the bathwater. Greer has actually networked with many reputable whistleblowers. Therefore, just because he can be a nut and seeming charlatan, does not negate all of the things he has reported. I actually believe he is the real deal, and if that is true, then John Alexander has made a valiant effort to try to kill him.

I try to honor the "to each their own" sentiment. But I also seem to be precariously situated spiritually between light and dark. Ideally, I would like to bring both sides together, as evidenced in my thread, but it could be that one cannot get through to the mindset of a psychopath. If it holds any water that ayahuasca and other spiritual practices can give people an awakening, maybe there is still hope that this deathly militaristic mindset can change...

reply to post by Willtell


What is known now, after Terence McKenna's death, is that he was on the run from Interpol back in the 70s for drug smuggling. The "deep background" positions he referred to in that obscure lecture had to do with his drug dealing. He was growing HUGE amounts of mushrooms and bringing them onto the black market. I alluded to this earlier. People have to use very careful wording when talking about such things. Terence was being sly in this talk, and it proves nothing about CIA involvement! Trust me, there is no truth to that whatsoever. Actually, Jan Irvin is 1000 times more mentally deranged than Douglas Dietrich or any other nut case conspiracy theorist. I have been accused on this very thread for reporting information from people who are not deemed reliable. But you just cited info from someone who almost everyone agrees is totally insane. Although it appears to support an opinion some of you already share, congratulations for deepening the conspiracy theory rabbit hole and introducing true idiocy.

Gordon Wasson was a rich banker who was interested in anthropology. Terence McKenna was a hippie interested in altered states. There is no conspiracy here. The New Age movement is a spiritual phenomenon that has to do with our species waking up out of its long slumber. To suggest that it is all orchestrated by shadowy men with a sinister agenda is ridiculous, absurd and delusional fantasy.

Period.

reply to post by The GUT


Hi mate, just a really quick question but have you ever looked into the case of Canneto di Caronia?

If not it's a really crazy one.

In 2007, the task force, after closing the investigations and monitoring, leaked an interim report which raised more questions instead of providing some answers: and the conclusion was that the “bizarre” events were "caused by hundreds of high-power electromagnetic emissions which were not man-made and reached a power between 12 and 15 gigawatts."

UFOs and the Mystery of Canneto di Caronia

Cheers!

But then again, I might be wrong...

I just remembered something. I am more familiar with Terence McKenna's book 'True Hallucinations' as it was recorded in audiobook format in the early 1980s. I forget sometimes that he re-wrote it for Bantam in the early 1990s and there is an additional chapter in the printed form that is not available in the audiobook. I just located a PDF of 'True Hallucinations' and found the elusive extra chapter....



Now, I have to re-read it, mind you, but the above quote about being recruited parallels the quote that Jan Irvin brought up. As I said, I try not to throw the baby out with the bathwater...

This argument has been fruitful. But I must stress that, in my opinion, I do not think that New Age ideals are dark. Since I am not a Christian, of course. I can understand how Christians might be threatened by all of this...

corsair00
But you are right about the dark versus the light. You are very perceptive about that. I do have a tendency to sway either way. I am a very caring and loving person, but at the same time I have been royally screwed over by certain aspects of society I have very serious contempt for. So I can sort of go both ways.

I got into bed early (for me) tonight and read your post a couple of hours ago and couldn't get you off my heart. It made me very sad to read that and I do know that you are a truly good-hearted guy. I finally had to get up and write this.

Seeing that "sway"--twixt dark & light--was the main reason why I decided to bump heads a little. I'm glad I did. I knew we would come out alright.

Plus, I DO understand that we are talking about some very seductive personalities, and it is very tempting to want to get closer to find out more of what they might now.

Your initial instincts about these cats was right on though, imo, so keep remembering that. I've had to remember that more than once myself.

I will hang out with and support anyone, even the underdogs and the crazy people.

Yep, you do have a big heart. There it goes again. Keep fighting the good fight, k?

Notice how all of the abductees say they can move through walls and all sorts of paranormal situations. It is not their physical bodies - at least not according to this anecdotal evidence.

Abductions seem to fit into the realm we're talking a lot about in this OP. Have you ever seen Skyfloating's excellent thread:

Alien Abduction: An astral phenomenon?

I try to honor the "to each their own" sentiment. But I also seem to be precariously situated spiritually between light and dark. Ideally, I would like to bring both sides together, as evidenced in my thread, but it could be that one cannot get through to the mindset of a psychopath. If it holds any water that ayahuasca and other spiritual practices can give people an awakening, maybe there is still hope that this deathly militaristic mindset can change...

I can understand that and I myself have been rather baffled at how one can seek--lets call it enlightenment to make it simple--and still be all gung ho about forcing a destructive and crappy foreign (and domestic) policy (and other crap) down the world's throat. Something seems to have their ear that we can't fix. We can warn our ATS fambly though, eh?

Bro Hug (----O----)

reply to post by karl 12

Mama Mia! Thank you so much for that, karl. I vaguely remember it, but hadn't paid much attention because it was before I got interested in the EM angle I guess. Duh me.

I'll definitely be bringing some of it to this thread. I hope others here will start digging into it and sharing their thoughts, too.

Man...I miss internos. He gave us SO much and was one of the very best things ATS has ever offered.