Electromagnetism, UFOs, and the Weaponization of Alien Technology

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Michael Harner's entire visionary experience as related in 'Shamans Through Time' is probably the most intriguing account in the entire volume. Another fascinating aspect of his vision of the giant black creatures that came to Earth eons ago was when he explained it to a blind shaman he was in contact with in the Western Amazon.

"There were these giant black animals, something like great bats, longer than the length of this house, who said that they were the true masters of the world." There is no word for dragon in Conibo, so "giant bat" was the closest I could come to describe what I had seen.

He stared up toward me with his sightless eyes, and said with a grin, "Oh, they're always saying that. But they are only the Masters of Outer Darkness".

He waved his hand casually toward the sky. I felt a chill along the lower part of my spine, for I had not yet told him that I had seen them, in my trance, coming from outer space.

I was stunned. What I had experienced was already familiar to this barefoot, blind shaman. Known to him from his own explorations of the same hidden world into which I had ventured.

As we all know, it was the hallucinogen 'ayahuasca' that Harner had ingested. If you are not familiar with the active psychedelic compounds in this millenia-old jungle sacrament, you may be intrigued to find out that it contains a chemical that is ubiquitous in nature, and is actually produced in the human brain naturally, called dimethyltryptamine (D-M-T). You will note that the enigmatic spook that has inspired many of the GUT's threads etc, John Alexander, has spent a great deal of time studying Amazonian and ayahuasca shamanism.

It has been postulated by Dr. Rick Strassman, in his landmark book 'The Spirit Molecule', that D-M-T might be responsible for the visions in deep REM sleep, alongside the production of melatonin, which coincidentally reaches its peak at 3am.

Excerpt from 'The Spirit Molecule'

The most likely time for us to dream is also the time at which melatonin levels are highest, that is, around 3 A.M. Since melatonin itself has such mild psychological effects, it suggests a role for another pineal compound whose levels parallel those of melatonin. '___' is a likely prospect for such a substance. However, no one has looked at 24-hour '___' rhythms in normal volunteers in an attempt to relate '___' levels to dream intensity or frequency. 

Jace Callaway, Ph.D., has suggested that pineal derived beta-carbolines may mediate dreams. While the uncertain psychological effects of the beta-carbolines shed some doubt on this hypothesis, pineal beta-carbolines certainly could, by virtue of their '___'-boosting effects, indirectly stimulate dream production.

Meditation or prayer also may elicit deeply altered states of consciousness. Pineal '___' production could underlie these mystical or spiritual experiences

In studying the alien abduction literature, you will find that the 3am time-frame comes up again and again. As mentioned earlier, Jim Sparks' experiences, as well as the experiences of members here on ATS, happened around this time.

So if there is already a relation between shamanism and ayahuasca and the pineal gland, as well as between natural rhythms in the body that reach a climax during deep REM sleep, a state where amazingly complex visual psychedelic states happen to everyone every night, I think we have found where the answer lies.

According to David Wilcock's research, the pineal gland may very likely be the place where the 'astral cord' connects to the body. The gland itself is made up of similar cells as the eyes, and is hooked into the visual apparatus of the brain.

Excerpt from 'The Source Field Investigations' by David Wilcock

Since the pineal gland is not protected by the blood·brain barrier, flooding the bloodstream with '___' may load up the pineal gland with piezoelectric microcrystals. This in turn may cause the third eye to pull in many more photons- which might be emerging directly out of the Source Field, thanks to principles we have not yet discussed. (DNA also appears to be pulling in photons by a similar process, as we will see.) Baoonnier's groundbreaking pineal gland studies helped set the stage for this speculative idea of how the third eye could actually be -seeing" photons of light.

"If piezoelectricity were to exist [in the pineal calcite microcrystals], an electromechanical coupling mechanism to external electromagnetic fields may be possible.

"These crystals could be responsible for an electromechanical biological transduction mechanism in the pineal gland, due to their structure and piezoelectric properties."

For this same reason, Baconnier expresses deep concern about our use of cellular phones and other microwave-emitting devices- as they may couple directly with these piezoelectric crystals in the pineal gland and change how they function. This could interrupt our synthesis of melatonin- with negative health consequences.

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I just want to quickly add that I think it is patently absurd that ATS auto-blocks any reference to psychedelic compounds like L-S-D and D-M-T.

Just my 2 cents...

No timing, no exception., no fun.
Truth is, this diatribe is clear to no one.

I watched Quatermas and the Pit last week, essential viewing if you enjoy this thread and its' various strands. Anyway, the thought struck me that what if, the aliens are implanted inside our heads on a subconscious level there lying dormant until we reach a stage where we can unlock it? Or maybe we lost the key to that place inside us that allows us to understand our past?

Is that why , up and including the iron Age, we found certain places comforting and now we find them disconcerting? We cut the circuit as it was standing in the way of individual expression, not in art, or science, rather the blind ability to do things for ones self without and the meme for sociopathic behaviour was set loose?

This might seem oxymoronic in nature however, it is my only recourse with any "factual" evidence so I have to let it rip I guess. During my own "ego deaths", I have always been aware of another intelligence that is non human that is "just there". What's more, it feels totally neutral in it's view towards us as a species. No "demons" or "angels", just a presence that seems to have vast age and depth to it that was not my own experience or ego.

What if, at Rendllesham they knew they had the "right place", with its' thousands of years of history of "strangeness", black dogs, mermaids in pools, red orbs etc etc? So they set up a fileld, the biggest one they had up until that point to test how it would work against a nuclear equipped air base? The field is turned on, from inside one of the nuclear bunkers and then it all goes really rather Pete Tong? In turning the field on, to create an "idea and impression" there was an other worldly visitation, they tripped the circuit in a few too many brains and that non human intelligence bit back and said. "Woaaaahhhh there Neddy not so fast". For one of the few times they have needed to, they did the up close and personnel with humans and the "blue light" seen scanning the bunker was them, turning our machine off at source? The operators being in a nuclear bunker so they wouldn't be affected by it and of course, the first thing everyone thinks is, "oh nuclear weapons, they must have been interested in that".

Pennistone actually "touched" a "craft" from a time when we are actually readmitted to the ranks of the space cowboys and as it was built to interface with a primarily human mind he flipped the download switch by touching it? Pennistone touched an object that was both there, not there, thousands of years old and not yet actually built? Likewise, the fabled Black Knight satellite, it's there, it's not there, it's been there for countless years, it hasn't actually been built yet?

What if, we're all looking down the wrong end of the telescope at "mind control"? What if the executive seeks to actually open select minds who are "on message" however, they don't want us all doing it, as that would then return us to a more "passive" and "socially cohesive", for want of better terminology, nature?

FireMoon
I watched Quatermas and the Pit last week, essential viewing if you enjoy this thread and its' various strands. Anyway, the thought struck me that what if, the aliens are implanted inside our heads on a subconscious level there lying dormant until we reach a stage where we can unlock it? Or maybe we lost the key to that place inside us that allows us to understand our past?

Okay, Quatermass and the Pit it is tonight. All 3 hours. Gonna grab my tablet and snuggle in early. Got hops and popcorn. With all the thumbs up from folk I respect, I'm looking forward to it. Original BBC 1957 mini-series version, right? Need to know soon lol!!

FireMoon: Your thoughts and knowledge of the Rendlesham area and the 'Incident" don't seem to be widely known on this side of the pond. You've turned me on to fascinating aspects I wasn't aware of so I'm thinking you should do a thread from that angle? Bet it would be well received.

What if, we're all looking down the wrong end of the telescope at "mind control"? What if the executive seeks to actually open select minds who are "on message" however, they don't want us all doing it, as that would then return us to a more "passive" and "socially cohesive", for want of better terminology, nature?

If them "executives" seemed a little more enlightened and less married to the military-industrial complex, I could give that some truck. I personally do NOT trust them cats, though. Maybe it's just me.

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The TV version isn't as "flash" as the 1968 movie version however, they both are almost identical in terms of the plot and the TV version does delve a little deeper into the "psy" side of it all. The movie was called "5 million years to Earth" in the USA.

Can we ever know the visitors if we don’t know ourselves?

We call them aliens, ET’s and non humans

Can we really define these terms?

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That our brains have much more potential, I have no doubt. That we are still learning to use them is--on looking around--debatable on how well that's going.

Hi TG,

I just wanted to enthusiastically agree with you on this before I get back to my more on topic ramblings. I know, it's really hard to believe that there would be any issue because we are really kicking ass. I'm staggered almost daily by what a terrifyingly great time it is to be alive. It's hard to believe that we are on the verge of possibly screwing ourselves back in to the stone age.

I think it has to do with secularization, I think it has been a massive thought experiment on our part. I knew something was up when I started to hear stories about married couples in Norway and Sweden having separate apartments because they "valued independence so greatly"

We have gotten really good at it, but it blows me away that the system hasn't changed, just how hardcore we can isolate ourselves within that system while still contributing to it. That faculty within all human beings that allows them to access the communal advantages of religious non-secular life, I don't believe needs to be bent towards the necessarily "religious" for us all to enjoy it. I'm betting that is what we are on the way quickly to learning, but the process will be very disruptive, for many reasons, not the least of which is that we will have to become "naked", or at least more-naked, in ways that are terrifying to us.

At least I hope so because it's getting closer to Halloween.

BRB

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This thread really is a corker my friend and do intend to find the time to go through all 20+ pages (not to mention all the links). Also really appreciate the very kind words and have linked this thread on the other EM one -also thought these ruminations by Professor Michael Swords definitely deserved a place here!

SHAKE, RATTLE, and ROLL: Is There Evidence That UFOs Project Attractive or Repulsive Force?

SHAKE,RATTLE, & ROLL: Can UFOs Project Force, part two?

Like you say about the deflating tyre case, I'd also like to hear an attempt at a scientific explanation as to what's going on -I'm not that clued up about electromagnetics (or electrogravitics) but ATS member Gguyx also makes some intriguing comments in this thread about the work of Robert Schroeder and light beams bending towards UFOs that may be connected - it's shame but there was also a report on there involving multiple people witnessing a UFO drawing electricity over a power station in Puerto Rico, March, 1991 but the only link I could find to it has since been removed -it was a relevant because town residents did report the blades of their ceiling fans were 'bending upwards' as the object passed overhead.

When it comes to speculating about these objects then I suppose the credibility of the witnesses and the detail they can provide are (obviously) important factors -thought the one below from 1979 involving an object being witnessed by five engineers 'discharging a luminous beam like electrical sparks' into the water was a good example and there are more details at the link -the behaviour of the object also sounds a lot like this one from Gosford, Australia in 1994 so if I had to hazard a guess I'd say water is also involved in the mix somewhere.

13 February 1979, Bridge to Mendonça Lima, Drawing of 100-foot diameter ship observed for over an hour daytime.

The huge flying disc executed gentle, silent movements in all directions and occasionally discharged some fumes or gas from vents. About one hour later the huge ship was still there hovering stationary, a little to the south as the whole rim rotated slowly when suddenly, from the base, near the center, three luminous "tubes" of "blue neon light" were projected, like cylinders extended straight down from the ship to the surface of the river. They seemed to be transparent and were rotating, and looked like they were either discharging something into, or were drawing something from, the water. After several minutes the "cylinders" were withdrawn from the water into the object, one at a time.

A moment later the recessed opening at the left, on the rim, suddenly discharged a luminous beam, like electrical sparks, in the direction of the water. When the beam of sparks touched the water it became violently agitated in that local area. A few seconds later this ray of light disappeared and the recessed opening on the right side discharged another ray, similar to the one on the left, and repeated the same phenomenon of disturbing the water..

Now this is truly a remarkable account and should never be overlooked. Here were five expert observers, trained in the use of size, distance and elevation calculations, all engineers, all familiar with the need for technical accuracy, working on their job in full daylight, in full awareness and alertness of all their faculties, and least subject to delusion by darkness, clouds, haze or any other atmospheric phenomena because none of those existed at the time.

WaterUFO

Cheers!

corsair00
Michael Harner's entire visionary experience as related in 'Shamans Through Time' is probably the most intriguing account in the entire volume. Another fascinating aspect of his vision of the giant black creatures that came to Earth eons ago was when he explained it to a blind shaman he was in contact with in the Western Amazon.

It is interesting in a number of respects, and the response of the Shaman to his experience is telling, especially when you balance it with Maria Sabina's account. Ayahuasca, like psilocybin, is not a recreational drug, it's import and potency is lost when used for purposes other than healing. Another aspect of that account that is interesting, is his subsequent visit to his friends the Christian missonaries who see parallels in Harner's experience with the Bible's Revelations, it is a 'vision' that fits any number of rationales. Anyway, I don't know whether your copy includes the footnote where Harner states that in retrospect he equates the entities with DNA, but I found that particularly telling too.

corsair00
As we all know, it was the hallucinogen 'ayahuasca' that Harner had ingested. If you are not familiar with the active psychedelic compounds in this millenia-old jungle sacrament, you may be intrigued to find out that it contains a chemical that is ubiquitous in nature, and is actually produced in the human brain naturally, called dimethyltryptamine (D-M-T). You will note that the enigmatic spook that has inspired many of the GUT's threads etc, John Alexander, has spent a great deal of time studying Amazonian and ayahuasca shamanism.

It has been postulated by Dr. Rick Strassman, in his landmark book 'The Spirit Molecule', that D-M-T might be responsible for the visions in deep REM sleep, alongside the production of melatonin, which coincidentally reaches its peak at 3am.

Excerpt from 'The Spirit Molecule'

The most likely time for us to dream is also the time at which melatonin levels are highest, that is, around 3 A.M. Since melatonin itself has such mild psychological effects, it suggests a role for another pineal compound whose levels parallel those of melatonin. '___' is a likely prospect for such a substance. However, no one has looked at 24-hour '___' rhythms in normal volunteers in an attempt to relate '___' levels to dream intensity or frequency. 

Jace Callaway, Ph.D., has suggested that pineal derived beta-carbolines may mediate dreams. While the uncertain psychological effects of the beta-carbolines shed some doubt on this hypothesis, pineal beta-carbolines certainly could, by virtue of their '___'-boosting effects, indirectly stimulate dream production.

Meditation or prayer also may elicit deeply altered states of consciousness. Pineal '___' production could underlie these mystical or spiritual experiences

Yes, a copy of Strassman's book sits on my bookshelves not far from Shamans through Time. It is a very useful text.

The thing with the Pineal Gland though, beyond '___' production, is that it is responsible for day/night and seasonal regulatory functions, our Circadian rhythms if you will. These are functions that we share with almost all life forms on this planet. The '___' from Ayahuasca stimulates those functions, and since the Pineal Gland is essentially, in part, a photoreceptor, it will relay visual messages to the rest of the brain. The consideration though, is whether, the plant based '___' interacts differently with those cells than the '___' that we ourselves produce which while not negating the effect would impact upon the resulting experience. The Shaman uses the Ayahuasca in part to communicate with the natural environment, the recreational user though does not (necessarily). This is perhaps by the by, other than to emphasise my own personal reservations of the benefit of Ayahuasca as a means of self-exploration.

The other factor, which is a little more off the wall, and based upon purely personal theories and opinions, is the role of the Pineal Gland as a trace of our maternal memory or rather the photoperiod of our mother. In plants, for example, it has recently been discovered that the seed, and subsequent plant, responds in a way that is identical to it's mother. That is, that such information, like the dormancy period of the seed, and conditions for germination, when it will reach maturity, flower and seed, are all predetermined based upon it's mother's life span prior to producing seed and that information is locked into the seed produced. I feel that given the Pineal Glands function and relationship to Circadian rhythms that it serves a similar, though much more complex function in humans, and that this may explain why some dream or trance experiences do appear to be external to our own direct experience. When these images are 'released' the brain, as a whole, attempts to correlate and rationalise them with our direct memories which in some cases may cause a distortion of perception.

The GUT
Then there's the so-called "reptilian brain" that KilgoreTrout referenced. I feel like I understand that aspect of myself fairly well, too. I like to mate, or make sport, and eat, and protective anger can well up within me at all sorts of challenges that contrast with how my ego may prefer it to be. So, I feel like I have a fair grasp on the whys and wherefores of those impulses, too.

That our subconscious life is also complex and comes into play I have no doubt. But does it contain all the mysteries of the universe, and ourselves, held constantly beyond our grasp? I can't go there yet.

In terms of the Reptilian Brain...I think that that is a little overblown, possibly outdated. In context to what Harner stated though, and how he described where that particular information came from, I think that the Pons is the most likely suspect.

The pons /ˈpɒnz/ is part of the brainstem that links the medulla oblongata and the thalamus.[1] In full it is pons Varolii named using the Latin word for "bridge" and after the Italian anatomist and surgeon Costanzo Varolio (1543–75).[2] It is cranial to the medulla oblongata, caudal to the midbrain, and ventral to the cerebellum. In humans and other bipeds, this means it is above the medulla, below the midbrain, and anterior to the cerebellum. This white matter includes tracts that conduct signals from the cerebrum down to the cerebellum and medulla, and tracts that carry the sensory signals up into the thalamus.[3]

The pons in humans measures about 2.5 cm or 1 inch in length. Most of it appears as a broad anterior bulge rostral to the medulla. Posteriorly, it consists mainly of two pairs of thick stalks called cerebellar peduncles. They connect the cerebellum to the pons and midbrain.[3]

The pons contains nuclei that relay signals from the forebrain to the cerebellum, along with nuclei that deal primarily with sleep, respiration, swallowing, bladder control, hearing, equilibrium, taste, eye movement, facial expressions, facial sensation, and posture.[3]

Within the pons is the pneumotaxic center, a nucleus that regulates the change from inspiration to expiration.[3]

The pons is implicated in sleep paralysis, and also plays a role in generating dreams.

en.wikipedia.org...

Most significant about the Pons is it's interaction with the Thalamus. For those of us interested in the mysteries and esoterica in general, it is of note that Thalamus is a Greek word, meaning Bridal Chamber. This is the region of the brain where it all comes together. What I would be curious about, is whether the Pons is capable of transmitting information to the Thalamus for interpretation that can result in visual and auditory stimulus, thus giving the subject a sense of being awake while not being awake. As in the lights are off, but someone is still at home. Does that make sense?

karl 12
Like you say about the deflating tyre case, I'd also like to hear an attempt at a scientific explanation as to what's going on -I'm not that clued up about electromagnetics (or electrogravitics) but ATS member Gguyx also makes some intriguing comments in this thread about the work of Robert Schroeder and light beams bending towards UFOs that may be connected ...

...When it comes to speculating about these objects then I suppose the credibility of the witnesses and the detail they can provide are (obviously) important factors -thought the one below from 1979 involving an object being witnessed by five engineers 'discharging a luminous beam like electrical sparks' into the water was a good example

I've always thought that the "light bending" case had the ring of truth. All light is a form of electromagnetic radiation and, as such, it would seem that a strong enough, or the right kind of, electromagnetic force could affect and bend it.

It's case histories like that, as well as the numerous "trace" cases, that force us to form some sort of hypothesis. If, as the one hypothesis goes, we are the sole creators of 'visions' that straddle both the mental and physical, then we have to give some attention to the theories of Albert Budden---maybe mixed with a little Jung.

Budden postulates (and admittedly offers some intriguing evidentiary items) that those we sometimes call "mediums" are actually "sensitives" to electromagnetic fields. He postulates that a such a sensitive, once 'entrained' by an EM field--either geomagnetic or electromagnetic-- then basically repeats the signal to those around them that are also being affected by the same field.

The subsequent altered-state then facilitates the entire perceived event, which stems forth from the archetypes and subconscious material in the primary's subconscious. Through the EM entrainment, other witnesses are semi-connected to the 'sensitive,' and while the storyline may be basically the same, the differences in the available subconscious material between the experiencers provides accounts that don't exactly match in all reported details. Like Betty and Barney Hill for example.

Budden stops short of being able to explain the physical manifestations, however. It's here that we would have to add something Jungian or the supposed "thought-forms," or egregores, to explain physical traces.

If "they" are "us," then, it follows that we either have to dismiss the physical matter reports as non-existent, or we have to explain how immaterial consciousness can create the material.

On the other hand, if we accept that some truly anomalous cases do indeed leave physical traces not produced by either the subconscious or the so-called 'collective unconscious,' then we are somewhat left with the obverse--one that most indigenous Shaman themselves agree on--"We are not alone." I concur with the Shaman.

So then if the aliens turn out to be baaad guys does that mean we all may end up in the penal gland?

Willtell
So then if the aliens turn out to be baaad guys does that mean we all may end up in the penal gland?

Nice one. A probing question fer sure, ahem.

Hard to say, though, Willtell...but I wouldn't drop the extratesticular soap in the Perseid shower, if'n you know what I mean.

I mean, did you catch Quatermass and the Pit? Er...erm...well...I mean that spaceship and all...um...Jus' sayin'...



Sorry y'all...Let's just change the subject, shall we?:

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That very funny…I HOPE!

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Good eye, because such footnotes are important tidbits of information and tantalizing clues. Yes, the psychedelic insight into DNA is a Pandora's Box that was brilliantly elucidated by none other than the editor of 'Shamans Through Time' - Jeremy Narby - in his own book 'The Cosmic Serpent'. Like me, it probably sits on your bookshelf at home beside The Spirit Molecule, Shamans Through Time and perhaps some Shulgin, McKenna and Schultes books etc.

Jeremy Narby is an anthropologist who has done extensive fieldwork in the Amazon. He was one of the pioneers of participatory anthropology, meaning that he has had his own ayahuasca visions and has learned directly from the shamans. Lucky guy - for most everyone else, such things are illegal and very hard to come by. But with effort and dedication it can be achieved. I just think these medicines and the accompanying shamanic wisdom should be more widely available to the world, and I think with the help of new documentaries such as From Neurons To Nirvana: The Great Medicines, we can keep hammering on the mainstream scientific and government dictatorship to open up to a new paradigm. Without it we are just spinning our wheels...

Among the mind-blowing revelations imparted to the minds of the scientifically-curious, ayahuasca and other psychedelic visions have yielded profound insights into the structure of DNA and its role in evolution.



Screenshot excerpts from 'The Cosmic Serpent' by Jeremy Narby

reply to post by corsair00


Unfortunately, if these materials become widespread some strange law might render them less potent.

Sort of like the present widespread use of antibiotics has rendered them useless. I know this is a biological fact but I think biology and the metaphysics that rules these materials are related.

I think this may be the meaning of Jesus’ “cast not pearls at the feet of swine”

One just might have to navigate those treacherous forests and streams in South America and find some generous shaman. Though there may be some of this material in Western hands.

A few years ago I think Dave Icke went on one of those shaman journeys and got a good trip.

If they do open up availability I advise to get it while the goings are good

BTW there has been an orgy of the Ancient Aliens on cable this week.

This guy Giorgio A. Tsoukalos, the guy who looks like Don Kings son, seems like a nice chap, as it goes, but he bugs the hell out of me with lines like this:

“The ancient texts weren’t speaking of Gods or angels they were extraterrestrials”

Does that line make any sense!?

Since we don’t know what Gods are or angels but we sure as hell have no idea what an extraterrestrial is.

I have to conclude this guy is trying to brainwash rather than educate

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How about that episode where they build a flying replica of that little gold airplane looking artifact and fly it? You know the one I'm talking about? That Tsoukalos dude says something like "The fact that this thing flies proves beyond a doubt that the ancients were visited by extraterrestrials." Not a direct quote, but it gets the point across. I was like, "no, the fact that it flies means that the ancients may have been able to make gliders".

I really can't believe that he even takes himself seriously. I'm not sure what role he is supposed to be taking in all this, but both he and that Bill Burns guy are so ridiculous I can't watch them.