Gov't shutdown and Chemtrails link???

reply to post by Mikeultra

What about Jerry E. Smith? Is he OK by your standards?

An author? Better than selling snakeoil but it doesn't make him knowledgeable.

You do know that both of those books make connections between the HAARP Ionospheric Heater experiments and chem-trails. Is that why you label him a snake oil saleman?

Yes, I know about those claimed connections. Too bad they don't make any sense. No, I call Begich a snakeoil salesman because that's what he is.

Nanotronic nutrients, indeed.

reply to post by Mikeultra


Just because someone publishes a book or has a book with a bibliography does not mean they know what they're talking about. Just because someone has a website doesn't mean they're legitimate either.

It's how that person uses their sources and whether or not their sources are legitimate. That's the problem with your citations.

reply to post by Phage

Well consider this. How many years did the government not acknowledge the existence of Area 51? Don't you think they're capable of keeping chem-trails secret too? They were recently supposed to declassify JFK's assassination and decided the public just can't handle the truth. There's a lot of classified stuff going on. Whatever the true purpose for chem-trails are, it must be for some other terrible reason that the masses must never be told about it.

Someone in an earlier post here in this thread mentioned that he/she thinks the sun appears to be white now, as opposed to yellow years and years ago. On the rare occasions now when the filthy chem-trail filled skies are normal and clear, the sun on my skin feels like I'm sticking it in an oven. I think "they" have screwed up the ionosphere with that HAARP heater, and now the Earth is being bombarded with heavy, heavy, HEAVY doses of UV radiation. Chem-trails is the band-aid the mad scientists are using trying to limit the damage they've inflicted.

Mikeultra
reply to post by Phage

 

Well consider this. How many years did the government not acknowledge the existence of Area 51?

So what? There was still ample evidence of its existence, right down to civil registered airliners flying into it from a public airport. If you got too close yuo could also be asked to leave by veryreal security, there are (I believe) signs all over the place saying "keep out", and many of its products were public knowledge even as hte place itself was "a secret".

There is no such implicit evidence for the existence of chemtrails.

In fact there is no verifiable evidence for their existence at all!

reply to post by Mikeultra

How many years did the government not acknowledge the existence of Area 51? Don't you think they're capable of keeping chem-trails secret too?

Whether or not the government acknowledged the existence of Area 51 is sort of pointless. It was no secret.
Could the government keep "chemtrails" a secret? Sure. If there were a few planes doing it occassionally. But that doesn't mean they are and it sure doesn't mean they could keep an operation on the scale that the "chemtrail" crowd claims a secret.

Someone in an earlier post here in this thread mentioned that he/she thinks the sun appears to be white now, as opposed to yellow years and years ago.

The Sun has never been yellow except maybe when drawn with crayons.

On the rare occasions now when the filthy chem-trail filled skies are normal and clear, the sun on my skin feels like I'm sticking it in an oven. I think "they" have screwed up the ionosphere with that HAARP heater, and now the Earth is being bombarded with heavy, heavy, HEAVY doses of UV radiation.

Two problems with your idea.

1) UV radiation doesn't feel hot.
2) The ionosphere doesn't really have much affect on UV radiation.

Chem-trails is the band-aid the mad scientists are using trying to limit the damage they've inflicted.

"Chemtrails" are persistent contrails. The result of flying aircraft in certain atmospheric conditions.

reply to post by Mikeultra


They didn't keep Area 51 secret, they refused to acknowledge it. Everyone knew it was there, and that they were testing top secret aircraft there.

As for chemtrails, we've gotten up to a cast of thousands, minimum, possibly in the tens of thousands to spray around the world. And not a single deathbed confession, not a single crisis of conscience, not a single whistleblower. Yet the NSA couldn't keep its activities secret for a couple of years, and this has been going on for over 20 years.

Mikeultra

What about Jerry E. Smith? Is he OK by your standards? You do know that both of those books make connections between the HAARP Ionospheric Heater experiments and chem-trails. Is that why you label him a snake oil saleman?

I can make a connection between HAARP and Russel's Teapot - did you know that HAARP has actually found Russell's teapot?? Well it has, and they are keeping it secret.

There you have it - a connection.

And my connection has just as much validity as theirs.

Zaphod58
reply to post by Mikeultra

 

They didn't keep Area 51 secret, they refused to acknowledge it. Everyone knew it was there, and that they were testing top secret aircraft there.

As for chemtrails, we've gotten up to a cast of thousands, minimum, possibly in the tens of thousands to spray around the world. And not a single deathbed confession, not a single crisis of conscience, not a single whistleblower. Yet the NSA couldn't keep its activities secret for a couple of years, and this has been going on for over 20 years.

The number of people in the know would not be as high as you say, if the foul substance is something that is added to the jet fuel. I've actually had some type of fallout on my vehicle from the stuff. Ever see some type of petroleum based product smeared around on a windshield? The rainbow like colors? I didn't have the money to collect a sample and have it examined by a lab, so don't go there. But the crap was all over truck! Chem-fallout!

reply to post by Mikeultra

Ever see some type of petroleum based product smeared around on a windshield? The rainbow like colors? I didn't have the money to collect a sample and have it examined by a lab, so don't go there. But the crap was all over truck! Chem-fallout!

You don't suppose it could have come off the road or some other source?
It must be them "chemtrails".

Aloysius the Gaul

Mikeultra

What about Jerry E. Smith? Is he OK by your standards? You do know that both of those books make connections between the HAARP Ionospheric Heater experiments and chem-trails. Is that why you label him a snake oil saleman?

I can make a connection between HAARP and Russel's Teapot - did you know that HAARP has actually found Russell's teapot?? Well it has, and they are keeping it secret.

There you have it - a connection.

And my connection has just as much validity as theirs.

Remember the "Star Wars" weapon system back during the Reagan era? That's what HAARP is. Chem-trails are part of it. Used as a mirror or reflector for HAARP.

Mikeultra

The number of people in the know would not be as high as you say, if the foul substance is something that is added to the jet fuel.

Except they would then have to pay off every lab in the world capable of analysing jet fuel - the specification is public knowledge and anything added to it outside that specification is illegal for use on civil aircraft.

The specification is Def Stan91-91 and you can look it up on google. You can alos go buy jet fuel from any FBO to test agaisnt this standard.

I've actually had some type of fallout on my vehicle from the stuff. Ever see some type of petroleum based product smeared around on a windshield? The rainbow like colors? I didn't have the money to collect a sample and have it examined by a lab, so don't go there. But the crap was all over truck! Chem-fallout!

And you know it came from an aircraft how?

Why couldn't it have been garden chemicals from your next door neighbor that over-sprayed in the wind? Or a splash of an oil-slicked puddle on the street, or any one of any of the other non-fantasy possibilities?

Do you get it every day you see a "chemtrail", or was it just the once that your posting implies? If so why do you think you were targeted on only that day and how come I have never been targeted?? ;puz:

Mikeultra

Aloysius the Gaul

Mikeultra

What about Jerry E. Smith? Is he OK by your standards? You do know that both of those books make connections between the HAARP Ionospheric Heater experiments and chem-trails. Is that why you label him a snake oil saleman?

I can make a connection between HAARP and Russel's Teapot - did you know that HAARP has actually found Russell's teapot?? Well it has, and they are keeping it secret.

There you have it - a connection.

And my connection has just as much validity as theirs.

Remember the "Star Wars" weapon system back during the Reagan era? That's what HAARP is. Chem-trails are part of it. Used as a mirror or reflector for HAARP.

See - you just made a connection with as much evidence as I had for mine - making connections is easy.

Making meaningful, sustainable, valid and/or provable connections is a little harder.

Phage
reply to post by Mikeultra

 

Ever see some type of petroleum based product smeared around on a windshield? The rainbow like colors? I didn't have the money to collect a sample and have it examined by a lab, so don't go there. But the crap was all over truck! Chem-fallout!

You don't suppose it could have come off the road or some other source?
It must be them "chemtrails".

No, this crud was not there when I parked it. The next morning it was all over the place. Even on the wet roadway. I forgot to mention it was a misty, drizzly kind of morning. Adding to the fallout effect.

reply to post by Mikeultra

Remember the "Star Wars" weapon system back during the Reagan era? That's what HAARP is.

No it isn't.

Chem-trails are part of it. Used as a mirror or reflector for HAARP

Those jets are flying in the ionosphere? I had no idea they could get that high.

Mikeultra

No, this crud was not there when I parked it. The next morning it was all over the place. Even on the wet roadway. I forgot to mention it was a misty, drizzly kind of morning. Adding to the fallout effect.

Let's see if I understand what you are saying -

There was some crud on your truck in the morning in drizzle, and the crud wasn't here the previous night.

You don't know what it was. You didn't see it "arrive".

It must have been chemtrails.

Is that right?

Aloysius the Gaul

Mikeultra

Aloysius the Gaul

Mikeultra

What about Jerry E. Smith? Is he OK by your standards? You do know that both of those books make connections between the HAARP Ionospheric Heater experiments and chem-trails. Is that why you label him a snake oil saleman?

I can make a connection between HAARP and Russel's Teapot - did you know that HAARP has actually found Russell's teapot?? Well it has, and they are keeping it secret.

There you have it - a connection.

And my connection has just as much validity as theirs.

Remember the "Star Wars" weapon system back during the Reagan era? That's what HAARP is. Chem-trails are part of it. Used as a mirror or reflector for HAARP.

See - you just made a connection with as much evidence as I had for mine - making connections is easy.

Making meaningful, sustainable, valid and/or provable connections is a little harder.

Well I won't show you the U.S. Patent describing in detail what it's all about. ..."you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink it."

Phage
reply to post by Mikeultra

 

Remember the "Star Wars" weapon system back during the Reagan era? That's what HAARP is.

No it isn't.

Chem-trails are part of it. Used as a mirror or reflector for HAARP

Those jets are flying in the ionosphere? I had no idea they could get that high.

Yes, it is. And I didn't say the jets are flying in the ionosphere! I said HAARP is messing with the ionosphere!

reply to post by Mikeultra

And I didn't say the jets are flying in the ionosphere! I said HAARP is messing with the ionosphere!

So, if "chemtrails" are a "reflector or mirror for HAARP" and if they are below the ionosphere, how can they help HAARP affect the ionosphere? If they are a mirror, aren't they going to reflect the HAARP beam downward?

A bit more of a technical question. Do "chemtrails" show on radar?

reply to post by Mikeultra


Big claim to make without any proof. You're talking about a meteorological modification that you don't know anything about. Show proof to support your claims please.

Phage
reply to post by Mikeultra

 

And I didn't say the jets are flying in the ionosphere! I said HAARP is messing with the ionosphere!

So, if "chemtrails" are a "reflector or mirror for HAARP" and if they are below the ionosphere, how can they help HAARP affect the ionosphere? If they are a mirror, aren't they going to reflect the HAARP beam downward?

A bit more of a technical question. Do "chemtrails" show on radar?

1.The HAARP heater beam bounces of the upper ionosphere down to the chem-clouds, which bounces back up to ionosphere and than back down through an area clear of chem-clouds. It's used as an around the curvature of the globe relay.
2.See above answer.
3.See above answer.
4.I'm not sure