There are only two super geniuses of science that I am aware of

All Married Architects,
and doing quite well.

Mike

Tesla++

GEmersonBiggins
Tesla++

May I kindly direct the reader to this post
on page one of the thread, only half way
down the page.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

It addresses Tesla directly.

Mike

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wait what.. einstein was only with Maric for ten years..most of the time they lived separately... Hans Albert said he rarely if ever saw his father growing up and said he was the worst father ever.. and this is your case for strong marriage?

signalfire

mikegrouchy

signalfire
There's plenty more geniuses who, because they were born female, were denied an education, research materials, or laboratories.

HuMans (heh) have wasted more than half of their potential by this slight alone.

And we've all seen what the arrogance and violence of testosterone does to the planet.

Exactly!


And I am calling for Super Genius.
Through collaboration. The entire field of chemistry
was invented by it, and all of modern physics.

The team of lovers both of each other and the subject!


I challenge the characterization of testosterone though,
as it denies it's place in the relationship, and does little
more than vilify half the population while simultaneously
stifling science.

How much genius has died alone and unloved?
Why perpetuate the myth that says we must hate men.

Mike

I'm not vilifying men; I'm complaining that their seeming lack of ability to channel their testosterone into forces for good and not war has been a bit of a problem, historically speaking.

When's the last time you saw women glorifying war? Invading another country? Producing WMDs or considering using them on whole masses of people? Justifying producing weapons for profit? Even one of the people I most admire, Oppenheimer, seemed surprised that his elegant invention ended up being used to kill hundreds of thousands of people, even though that was explicit from the git-go.

Why is it that peaceful men are often ridiculed, and warlike men are honored?

The only fault in your comment is regard to Oppenheimer. He didn't invent the Atomic Bomb. He was just part of a team of American British and Canadian scientists who did so.

Mike said, “One way to look at the size of this ring is if you set off a camera flash on one side of it, it would take two minutes for the light from that camera flash to get to the other side.”

By comparison it only takes one second for a camera flash to get to the earth's moon. Saturn's ring is about 200 times the radius of the planet itself. So how did something so large go unnoticed for so long?

Anne said, “I think the simple answer is that it's just so faint. Visible telescopes would have a very difficult time seeing it."

The astronomy couple used an infrared camera aboard a NASA telescope to make their discovery.



Largest Ring around Saturn Discovered

The two Astronomers, Anne Verbiscer and Mike Strutskie,
are married and they discovered the ring together.

Mike

gnosticagnostic
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wait what.. einstein was only with Maric for ten years..most of the time they lived separately... Hans Albert said he rarely if ever saw his father growing up and said he was the worst father ever.. and this is your case for strong marriage?

It is shocking how destructive fame can be.

At least he wasn't decapitated like Lavosier.

Mike

"I came in as a grad student and was working for a research assistant. He said, `My postdoc will show you what to do,'" Anita recalls. Within two weeks, they were dating.



"Because we're in the same field," Anita says, "we understand what the other person does and why they do it. It's not weird when he says, `I'm working nights.'"



Is there any dark side to being married astronomers?



"If we were looking for jobs, there are not that many astronomy jobs to begin with, and it would be especially hard finding two in the same place, " Anita says. "But we were fortunate enough to wind up here."



Each travels frequently, so they're often in different orbits.


Stars aligned for UT couple

This is the world we have created.
We allow, in the name of business, the hiring of lone individuals.

The idea of a team, being the best, most valuable, highest yield
is alien to both corporations and government. Why?





Why do we continue to let the world atomize us into individuals.

Is that just ... "the way of the world?"

MIke

Their tips for a successful marriage?



"Listen to one another," Anita says. "Try not to fight too often."

I am not going to squabble over specific people and their level of genius. I will, however, happily admit that any man with a good woman and infinite love can be made better by exponential factors because of both.

WIthout my wife, I am just some guy making minimum wage at the nursing home, hanging out and partying.

Focus, purpose, hopes....that is what my wife has given me.

I'm late to the party so I assume this has been mentioned. I'm also very clear about the point you're trying to make. However, your OP ignores people like Newton or Davinci. Not only were they masters of multiple fields they also defined multiple fields. If they weren't "super geniuses" no one is deserving of that title.

Xcalibur254
I'm late to the party so I assume this has been mentioned. I'm also very clear about the point you're trying to make. However, your OP ignores people like Newton or Davinci. Not only were they masters of multiple fields they also defined multiple fields. If they weren't "super geniuses" no one is deserving of that title.

Da Vinci...

The wealthiest City in the world at one point in history was
Venice. They had a crusade sent against their chief shipping
rival the City of Constantinople. Which was sacked, looted,
and the rich stuff brought back to Venice.

Constantinople was the last seat of the Roman Empire, and
had the last remaining temples of Roman Art, Architecture,
engineering, and Science. Finding themselves greatly
weakened, most of them fled the advancing Muslims, to
their Christian brothers in the West.

Where they found themselves the uncredited tutors of
western Nobles. Verrocchio, Antonio Pollaiuolo and the
portrait sculptor, Mino da Fiesole, who Taught Da Vinci,
were second generations of these. Verrocchio, being
from Venice directly.

What I'm saying is that most of the Renaissance was
little more than the introduction of Roman science to
the Western Christian world, with the reigning Nobles
taking all the credit.

Besides, apart from being an artist, what did Da Vinci
actually invent or contribute to science?





As to Newton

May I direct the Readers attention to the bottom of Page one
of this thread where Newton is addressed directly.

And who is to say if Newton had a lover or not.
Some suspect it was a man, but in those days
it would have been scandal to publicize it.

Bottom of page 1

Mike

bigfatfurrytexan
I am not going to squabble over specific people and their level of genius. I will, however, happily admit that any man with a good woman and infinite love can be made better by exponential factors because of both.

WIthout my wife, I am just some guy making minimum wage at the nursing home, hanging out and partying.

Focus, purpose, hopes....that is what my wife has given me.

I like this post,
and find myself rereading it
in hope.

Mike

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No dude your right. But if you have not noticed yet usually those you would call geniuses dont quite make it in our gene pool. I mean Tesla was in love with a pigeon....And any way you slice it the guy was pretty famous, had money, even had the looks and charm, yet he preferred the company of a pigeon to the ladies. Now I know most women cant compare or ever hope to ever be as great or have the magnetic personality as that pigeon had.

And Einstein? Well those two did not seem to have the strongest relationship bond. In fact from all I heard it was more like business between the two of them, and even in that it was a failed business transaction between the two of them.

But you mistake me, as I concur with you. Something must be done about this.

I am merely saying the way we have been going on about it this whole time just may be flawed. Now tell me if something has shown itself to not work over and over again. Do you continue doing it? You seem to be into the science, now tell me if an experiment has never really worked and you try it over and over again.

I mean do you--> A: Consider that experiment a great success. Or do you -->B: Consider it a fail and try a different approach or even scrap the whole thing and start from scratch? Which one would be the logical approach to go about it?

Also this thing is much more complicated then rocket science or creating a warp engine to shift you to the edge of the universe. And quoting or comparing some couples to which it worked is not a very real way of going on about it. Because! And get this, the majority of people are not those people.

Generally speaking your right in many ways, that is people of a feather flock together. You said you were some sort of counselor, well in all your cases have you ever seen a case were it were not so even if it was not at first obvious or at least on surface.

But hey you know what. Whatever works...Works. So ya if your looking for somebody to work and do science project together and live life and love and all that. I do believe there would be if not plenty of females or males out there who would be down with that. So saying that. We come full circle once again...And what exactly is the problem? Life and people are varied, you just may have to consider that for some the alone path may be the only path which can exist.

But again like I said. I agree with you. I suppose it would be a case of its easier said then done. Besides I will say it again. The secret to any relationship seems to be blissful ignorance, and not having to many hurdles to overcome.

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Does twenty two years acting as a marriage counselor count?

No.

And that reply answers my question. You've never been married or in a long-term relationship.

My sympathies go out to those couples you have 'counselled'. You aren't a Catholic priest by profession, are you?

galadofwarthethird
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No dude your right. But if you have not noticed yet usually those you would call geniuses dont quite make it in our gene pool. I mean Tesla was in love with a pigeon....And any way you slice it the guy was pretty famous, had money, even had the looks and charm, yet he preferred the company of a pigeon to the ladies. Now I know most women cant compare or ever hope to ever be as great or have the magnetic personality as that pigeon had.

And Einstein? Well those two did not seem to have the strongest relationship bond. In fact from all I heard it was more like business between the two of them, and even in that it was a failed business transaction between the two of them.

But you mistake me, as I concur with you. Something must be done about this.

I am merely saying the way we have been going on about it this whole time just may be flawed. Now tell me if something has shown itself to not work over and over again. Do you continue doing it? You seem to be into the science, now tell me if an experiment has never really worked and you try it over and over again.

I mean do you--> A: Consider that experiment a great success. Or do you -->B: Consider it a fail and try a different approach or even scrap the whole thing and start from scratch? Which one would be the logical approach to go about it?

Also this thing is much more complicated then rocket science or creating a warp engine to shift you to the edge of the universe. And quoting or comparing some couples to which it worked is not a very real way of going on about it. Because! And get this, the majority of people are not those people.

Generally speaking your right in many ways, that is people of a feather flock together. You said you were some sort of counselor, well in all your cases have you ever seen a case were it were not so even if it was not at first obvious or at least on surface.

But hey you know what. Whatever works...Works. So ya if your looking for somebody to work and do science project together and live life and love and all that. I do believe there would be if not plenty of females or males out there who would be down with that. So saying that. We come full circle once again...And what exactly is the problem? Life and people are varied, you just may have to consider that for some the alone path may be the only path which can exist.

But again like I said. I agree with you. I suppose it would be a case of its easier said then done. Besides I will say it again. The secret to any relationship seems to be blissful ignorance, and not having to many hurdles to overcome.

edit on 13-10-2013 by galadofwarthethird because: (no reason given)

Great stuff GaladOfWarTheThird!

My motive, in this thread, is simple.

This thesis is the antidote to all conspiracies.
Rather than harping on and on about what is
wrong, I have chosen this subject. The loving
relationship between science partners, and
the tragic history of those rare geniuses who
died alone and unloved, as my contribution.

Both to heightening the consciousness of any
who read it, and hinting at a path for future
generations.

Mike

Astyanax
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Does twenty two years acting as a marriage counselor count?

No.

And that reply answers my question. You've never been married or in a long-term relationship.

My sympathies go out to those couples you have 'counselled'. You aren't a Catholic priest by profession, are you?

Actually, the inaccuracy does not lay with me.

I have been faithfully married to the Same woman
since I was 17 and 3/4's, thirty years last May.
I don't know if that also counts as a long term
relationship, but I do feel that my learning curve
has been unstoppable since then.

Not answering a question is not the same thing
as being guilty as charged.


Oh, by the way,
it's funny you mention the Catholic Priest profession.
I don't wear a wedding ring, and have been asked to
become a Friar, by the Franciscans, a Bishop by the
Morman's, and a Priest by a Catholic Diocese that
offered me an all-expense-paid opening at Seminary
and an entire parish of my own on graduation.

I had to politely disappoint all of them.

Mike

A little more than 100 years ago, experts believed that the world couldn’t possibly support more than 4 billion people. Even the most efficient farming in the world couldn’t feed more people than that, the thinking went. But now we have a world of 7 billion people. Something must have happened in the meantime. It did, and it was called the Haber-Bosch process. Fritz Haber and Carl Bosch, two remarkable and flawed men, created a way of extracting nitrogen from the air, and using it to make a stunningly good fertilizer. Or, to quote Hager, “They discovered a way to make bread out of air."



Why Two Men You’ve Never Heard Of Are More Important Than You’ll Ever Be

They rose to the peak of scientific greatness, but died alone and unloved.

Tragedy wide and deep.

Why be jealous of a persons' work,
why is the world made-that-way,
why not join them in the work.

Mike

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Great stuff GaladOfWarTheThird! My motive, in this thread, is simple. This thesis is the antidote to all conspiracies. Rather than harping on and on about what is wrong, I have chosen this subject. The loving relationship between science partners, and the tragic history of those rare geniuses who died alone and unloved, as my contribution. Both to heightening the consciousness of any who read it, and hinting at a path for future generations.

Yes I know, I am quite awesome. Few know it, but meh. Funny no.

Though I admit you are starting to sound like GlaDOS a bit, always going on about making beautiful magical sensual science together in pairs. Getting into the the realm of creepy stuff there dude, when a character from a videogame which is quite unsane starts to sound sane. Though I still think making a super intelligent artificial lifeform just may be a better option.

I dont know man! Maybe! And I suspect were all idiots. If so then we cant argue with ourselfs. It would only lead in circles. And if we make groups of like minded individuals to share our concerns and non-conformity's. Well eventually we would only argue in circles, eventually leading only back to ourselfs.

In this world the thing you most concentrate on become real. You concentrate on the faults and suddenly the universe will start spawning them everywhere for you viewing and enjoyment pleasure, and the reverse is true as well, I know I have seen in and done it. But what is also true is that you can not have one without the other. Or can you? Well I suppose all of that would depend on just how long you would live, and what you have to go through. Yet in the human lifespan I do believe its quite achievable, to an extent.

By the way there mister grouchy. What do you think of the other grouchy's theory on this subject? Its viable I will give it that. And yes! Though not to insult the females or the feminazis on this site. Not that I think they read much into such things, or will read this thread at all. And the sexes could be reversed and the premise could remain the same. Yet Correlation does not imply Causation...Or does it.

And so what do you think on the supposed factual theory that. A woman finds the man she most hates in life and marries him.

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Dude he wasn't famous at all in those years...

The laptop I am typing this on is smarter tham BOTH of those guys, combined!, but probablt not as smart as Gumbercules, the Magnificent. Also, you cannot make this assertion here, nor prove it. Also, you are saying that the only smart people are white, males. Plus, intelligence is realtive. Einstien was incapable of getting a drivers license because he couldn't "understand" how clutch works!

They were smart guys, but all-time smart guys? God couldn't even hold down that title, after all, he created us in his own image, allegedly, right? I rest my case. Yeah, smart is relative, and also, I am SO MASSIVELY STONED RIGHT NOW !