There are only two super geniuses of science that I am aware of

doorhandle
No such thing as 'super geniuses', and saying one man or women is smarter than the other is impossible to quantify.Impossible.

Its just luck and circumstance that people like Einstein always head these lists. He is obviously one of the smartest, but no one can claim to be THE smartest. There is probaly some kid in Deli who is cleverer.

I have had no small measure of success in tutoring children.
Turning them into math wiz's and watching a love of learning
blossom into a lifelong pursuit.

The hardest part, after the awkward getting-to-know-you
period, is getting them to believe in themselves. People
are so full of excuses these days.

I apologize on behalf of this world that some may have
spent so much of their lives believing in luck and
circumstance.

Myself, I have found no one that didn't have the potential
to be genius. One of my greatest successes was a kid who
everyone had written off as a hopeless case of Aspergers.

I met him when teaching some youngsters to do old
fashioned story telling via pen and paper role playing games.

When I asked him what he had rolled on three six sided dice,
he hemmed and hawed for a few minutes until one of the
other players answered for him. I realized that he was in
High School and he didn't know how to add.

The other players started making excuses for him. "He has
aspergers", "He's in a special class," things like that. He
just sat there patiently.

So I took his character sheet and wrote a number line down
the side of it. Had him count and place each dice next to
the number, until he reached the total. We played three
times that week. By the second day he was adding on his
own and by the end of the week he was getting faster.

It's not that he wasn't capable.

My conclusion is that no one had taken the time with him.
Since that time he has started to believe in himself, been
moved to the head of his science class, and has started
teaching other kids how to do pen and paper RPGs.

Mike

WhiteAlice
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If you note from your posted image that two words are bolded--Einstein and wife. What that indicates is that your search results were using the terms "einstein" and "wife" and basically loading the search return for that specific subject. A simple search of Einstein does not bring up any of the specific sites that your image listed. In fact, I'm page 4 of scanning through the results and I still have seen no mention or allegation about Einstein stealing wife's work.

It's called cherry picking/confirmation bias and it's a fallacy.

The fallacy lies with you alone.

It was challenged that there was anyone making such claims.
Evidence has been provided. To shift the issue to another
topic and to use emotionally charged phrases like "cherry
picked" is pretty base.






NPR : Einstein's Wife, Mileva's Story

NPR ran a radio show where Einstein was fully indicted
as having stole from his wife, and then characterized
as an evil male who deserted her and ran off to have
an affair, having plundered her mind.

From reading your post, I get the feeling you would
have believed the story, and even now feel that
beating up on men is good for humanity.

That my discussion of loving relationships and the
history of some of the best science ever done, is
somehow wrong.

Do the phrases "overly critical" or "lack of solutions"
mean anything to the reader?

Mike

reply to post by mikegrouchy


Perhaps you misunderstood my intentions, I was insinuating that it is society that labels such people as 'geniuses', and the luck is the becoming known, from there the label of genius, and 'smartest' snowballs, warranted or not. I did not mean to infer that the act of becoming a genius is down to luck. That for the most part, as you state, is down to hard graft and tutoring.

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You presented a screen shot of a Google search return that, based on the practice of using bold font to indicate the search terms, in retort of another poster saying that your statements on the post-modern feminism effects were contentious. You loaded the data. Period. That is fallacious.

Your link does not go to NPR but, instead, goes to PBS...That's a misattribution and provides no evidence to your claim of the NPR radio show.

Personally, it does not surprise me in the slightest that she would have co-authored or participated in coming up with any of his ideas. That's called being in a relationship. My fiance is the source of constant inspiration for me. In fact, the PBS article states just that kind of probable relationship:

However, it is important to note that Mileva never demanded public credit for the work of 1905, nor claimed a role as Einstein's collaborator. Rather, it is much more likely that Mileva's contributions were those of an assistant and a sounding board—a common role among both women scientists and wives of scientists, and one that rendered even the most talented and productive among them virtually invisible.

www.pbs.org...

Not a theft but a collaboration and it has ever been the case where the spouse or significant other of a thinker has been the primary sounding board for their ideas. Probably because, half the time, the thinker cannot shut up about the idea, lol. Even the link you gave doesn't say "theft" but you didn't link at all to the NPR radio show.

Don't presume anything about me.

doorhandle
reply to post by mikegrouchy

 

Perhaps you misunderstood my intentions, I was insinuating that it is society that labels such people as 'geniuses', and the luck is the becoming known, from there the label of genius, and 'smartest' snowballs, warranted or not. I did not mean to infer that the act of becoming a genius is down to luck. That for the most part, as you state, is down to hard graft and tutoring.

I apologize, and thank you for the clarification.





Welcome to the cook out!
Someone fetch a drink and
set a place at the table.


Mike

WhiteAlice

Your link does not go to NPR but, instead, goes to PBS...That's a misattribution and provides no evidence to your claim of the NPR radio show.

I could not find the NPR radio show or I would have linked to that in full.

Mike

WhiteAlice

However, it is important to note that Mileva never demanded public credit for the work of 1905, nor claimed a role as Einstein's collaborator. Rather, it is much more likely that Mileva's contributions were those of an assistant and a sounding board—a common role among both women scientists and wives of scientists, and one that rendered even the most talented and productive among them virtually invisible.

www.pbs.org...

Not a theft but a collaboration and it has ever been the case where the spouse or significant other of a thinker has been the primary sounding board for their ideas. Probably because, half the time, the thinker cannot shut up about the idea, lol. Even the link you gave doesn't say "theft" but you didn't link at all to the NPR radio show.

Don't presume anything about me.

Yes!

It is collaboration that I wish to focus on.









Someone set another place at the table!

Mike

From the Lovers and Collaborators fashion line.
loversandcollaborators.com

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Albert Einstein had 3 pictures on the wall of his study. The pictures where off Englishmen Issac Newton and Michael Faraday, and Scotsman James Clerk Maxwell:-

en.wikipedia.org...

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Einstein regarded those 3 as the greatest ever contributors to Science and Technology.

If they were good enough for Einstein then they are certainly good enough for me.

This thread has been an interesting read through...

Perhaps one whom is able to work collaboratively with others is a rarity. Not necessarily in our current view of proving another to be right or wrong, but both working together, actively, to better understand the topic at hand.

When this mingles with a deep relationship between two parties doing the exploration, perhaps something "magical" happens. Wherein the "super genius" is not an attribute that could possibly be ascribed to one or the other, but to the momentum they both bring to the same table.

An interesting concept, even if it is just my perspective on the presented material. I feel the need to put more thought into it, so for that, thanks grouchy

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Make this area into a more heart shape,,,ie:



and u might have a winner! ( hide the clasp,cute,and functional,

alldaylong
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Albert Einstein had 3 pictures on the wall of his study. The pictures where off Englishmen Issac Newton and Michael Faraday, and Scotsman James Clerk Maxwell:-

Michael Faraday's "Chemical History of a Candle" is one
of the most profound experiences I have ever had
reading a book. I came into my life through an Amazon
gift card, at just the right moment in my studies of
the future and past of science. When I was questioning
the condition of education in America, and pondering
why people here treat children like idiots, instead of
fostering their natural curiosity.

This edition of the Oxford Christmas lectures was from
just one such talk, given to the Children of the Nobility
who came for the Christmas party. They would be left
with the Oxford Don who would teach them the cutting
edge of science.

At the end Faraday demonstrates publicly for the first
time ever, how electricity can be used to weld platinum.

Mike




wikipedia / The Chemical History of a Candle

Perhaps another aspect of lover collaboration could physical contact. There is a wealth of evidence about how beneficial this is for babies, some of it claiming that babies with no skin on skin contact will die, even if their other needs are met. Obviously adults can survive without it but I can well imagine that during stressfull and challenging parts of a project, a little loving physical contact could ease any anxiety and leave the mind calmer and more able to focus on the task at hand.

Some good points being made about how theft isn't a good way to look at this. Not a healthy way to view but it is understandable considering the way society rewards an individuals achievements, both with recognition and money.

Von Neumann. His contemporaries said he was a space alien who had learned to imitate humans.

reply to post by mikegrouchy

There were actually three super geniuses in all of history.

Firstly the guy who invented sliced bread. And secondly the guy who invented peanut butter. And thirdly the masked guy who defeated Vizzini in a battle of wits in the princess bride movie. Einstein, Lavoisier, Aristotle, Michelangelo, Tesla, Galileo, they were all idiots compared to them.

End of Story.

With these kinds of studies being funded,
corporations have a motive to eschew married
science couples.

Scientists discover Married Scientists are not as productive as single ones

I think the study reflects on the destructive
quality of the princess culture and how many
are raised to believe that men should give
over to marriage. That anything else, is
being unfaithful.

I say balderdash.

This is a problem with what peoples
expectations are, nothing else. If they
expect their life's work to be nothing
more than a path to domestic cohabitation,
then yes, publishing and research will drop
off. But, if the expectation is to have a
workplace relationship... the sky is the limit.

I have often wondered why so much stress
in unnecessarily put on relationships by
having each person work in a different place,
have a different goal, and a different peer
group. Why is that?

Just remember I emphasized a loving couple,
who are into the same subject.

Mike

galadofwarthethird
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There were actually three super geniuses in all of history.

Firstly the guy who invented sliced bread. And secondly the guy who invented peanut butter. And thirdly the masked guy who defeated Vizzini in a battle of wits in the princess bride movie. Einstein, Lavoisier, Aristotle, Michelangelo, Tesla, Galileo, they were all idiots compared to them.

End of Story.

Actually the story of Sliced Bread is a tragedy.

Otto Rohwedder, did everything right. He
made sure he had the patents. That the
sliced bread machines worked! And for the
first 15 years, no one knew about it, no one
bought sliced bread. It was a complete and
total failure.

Until the "wonder" bread company came and
bought it, on the cheep, spend a million
dollars on advertising, no one had ever head
the saying "the greatest idea since sliced bread."




Here is Marketing Guru Seth Godin talking about it.

Mike

March of the Fire Ants
Perhaps another aspect of lover collaboration could physical contact. There is a wealth of evidence about how beneficial this is for babies, some of it claiming that babies with no skin on skin contact will die, even if their other needs are met. Obviously adults can survive without it but I can well imagine that during stressfull and challenging parts of a project, a little loving physical contact could ease any anxiety and leave the mind calmer and more able to focus on the task at hand.

Some good points being made about how theft isn't a good way to look at this. Not a healthy way to view but it is understandable considering the way society rewards an individuals achievements, both with recognition and money.

edit on 8-10-2013 by March of the Fire Ants because: to change things

The theft, in my mind, is committed by the companies that hire us.

When will we force them to hire us as teams, and stop treating us
as individuals. Thus sowing tension and creating conflict within
relationships. The destruction of the family.

Mike