Obama Care Will be the Catalyst That Will Force a Change for a Better Healthcare Plan for America.

marg6043
reply to post by ChuckNasty

 

No, subsides are to go directly to the insurance companies, on that you are wrong, people are not getting a penny or checks, some may get credits.

And by the way the subsidies are still tax payers dollars no money that is made of thin air, the Obama administration gives the impression that giving away money on subsidies, expansion of Medicaid up to 90% for states that will expand is free for all, is still tax payer dollars and still will cause the mammoth Obamacare program to get costlier and that will fall on the tax payers regardless.

I still like my version best.

So... A Person doesn't pay less when they get a subsides?? The end result is, this is where you fail to understand the system, people pay less from their premium due to subsidy payments... I never stated a person gets a check, but a person does pay less....still not sure where that point was headed of yours.

Checking the post, yup - no mention that govt monies DONT pay anything...

Medicare expansion, or a change in the qualifications, will be paid for by the state....that is why, crazy I understand, it is left up to the state to permit it..

Your version is STILL a Neverland version..

True - this I agree to your statement - taxpayers will end up paying for the ones who get a subsidy.

The end money, however, will go to a corporation.

reply to post by ChuckNasty


Ok, is more to the program than just subsidies, Medicaid and expansions, I guess I wanted to be funny and made a mess of what I was trying to say.

I am going to try again.

Obamacare will end up on one payer system,

How, let me explain.

Obamacare has never been about affordability is about rigging the system into single-payer system, even with the subsidies and expansion of Medicaid for the states that will take the free (tax payer money) that Obama is offering for the first 3 years and then fund 90% until 2017.

While that sounds good and dandy it is not.

Is bound to fail, because the government will incur in so much debt that it will become impossible to fund.

Is more than subsidies, while those help with the cost (for some people) still the out of pocket expenses and deductibles will eat on the working class earnings, is a reason why insurance companies keep increasing the insurance premiums and even with the deductibles it will become too expensive, people will rather pay fines.

Because it was never within the bill how to cap the insurance that has always been the job of the states no the federal government, insurance are not in the business of losing money, so those that can not be mandated AKA taxed will end up getting into Medicaid expansion in the states that will expand.

If people fail to get into the insurance program lay out by Obamacare, insurance companies will no be able to get the quota needed to keep the program going, they need a healthy portion of the population to fill the pot for those that will be using the system with pre existing conditions that now can not be deny, after all we are a capitalistic nation and businesses priority is to make money and profits not to lose it.

At the end, either the program fail within a year or the government to save face will introduce a one payer system and that is what the administration wanted to begin with on that I agree with you.

That is my opinion and my version of how things will go.

reply to post by WeRpeons


As I said in one of my threads about this subject. Until we rein in and put caps on pharmaceuticals we are urinating in the ocean.

You can't talk serious healthcare reform and leave the drug companies out of the mix.

reply to post by NightSkyeB4Dawn


The problem is that it was the back door deals with Obama on Obamacare that won the support of this companies.

Is not going to be any caps on drugs companies at all, the pay outs for campaign money is too good.

That is how we got restrictions on the way that Americans were getting cheaper drugs over the borders.

Once upon a time Obama was all about the rights of citizens to find ways to pay for cheaper drugs, but because he needed big Pharma on his side for Obamacare he did an about face on the issue.

Um, no. Nothing that costs money is a right, it just isn't.

reply to post by proximo


So it doesn't sound like you value human life? So according to you, if you don't have money to pay for a life saving drug or surgery, you should just curl up in a ball and die?

I don't know if you are married or have children, but putting your thoughts in perspective... If you were making minimum wage, had no health insurance coverage, and your five year-old daughter needed hospitalization to save her life, but you were refused because you had no health care coverage and not enough money to pay the bill, in your mind the hospital should reject admission and allow your daughter to just go home and die? You don't have the money so your daughter doesn't have the right to live! I see a major flaw in that perspective.

The majority of conservatives will fight to the teeth to say that an unborn fetus has a right to life. Yet when it comes to the living, to save a life falls by the wayside. Both choices need money. You need to pay for the doctor to deliver the baby and you need a doctor to preserve a life. So isn't this hypocrisy? Either way, human life is valuable.

You can't talk serious healthcare reform and leave the drug companies out of the mix.

reply to post by NightSkyeB4Dawn


I agree with that. Drug companies need to be regulated, there is no ceiling at what they're allowed to charge the consumer. I understand they need profits to research and test new drugs, but the cost for some drugs are just downright ridiculous. Like I said earlier, anyone can compare the cost of the same expensive drugs being distributed in Canada, and you will find the costs much less than in the states.

It's one of the reasons why I mentioned we should build a health care system using the Canadian plan as a foundation. It doesn't mean duplicating it exactly, but it's just like an engineer designing a better product.
You research the good parts about an existing product and than improve upon the features that don't work as well. To create a health care plan from scratch, is really a recipe for failure.

reply to post by WeRpeons


Try as I might, I have not seen anything in our country's attempt at developing a plan for healthcare that even remotely comes near being successful.

I no longer believe we share the same definition for successful.

I am sure that whatever they devise, will work beautifully for them; I just don't think efficient, affordable resolution to health problems are part of their agenda.

Call me not quite cuckoo.

en.wikipedia.org...

The money should have been used to create a Nation of Doctors!

Every student, even adult could have had an education!!

Now we get whatever the Chinese call an education (employee training)...

reply to post by xuenchen


Naughty naughty, come back to logic 101!

Of course we don't see or hear other civilized countries having issues like the US do we?

They have solved this basic issue. Though nothing is perfect. You can't show any country in the world with a health care system like ours that works.

The op is brilliant, it lays out the issue truthfully and a positive outlook of development and progress.

The scoffers have no positive view at all. No ideas of any useful contribution to a human problem, just the same old selfish canards that offer no solutions.

Though not perfect, ALL civilized countries in our world have solved the basic modern health care issue, and the only country that is behind is the US.

Willtell
The op is brilliant, it lays out the issue truthfully and a positive outlook of development and progress.

The scoffers have no positive view at all. No ideas of any useful contribution to a human problem, just the same old selfish canards that offer no solutions.

Though not perfect, ALL civilized countries in our world have solved the basic modern health care issue, and the only country that is behind is the US.

ya by making people pay more for something they were paying less for?

Giving welfare people and illegal aliens a free ride...

By completely screwing over low and middle class people..

Agreed, I would rather say behind with decent payments for ins(I dont have nor do I need) than be forced into getting something 2ce as what its worth and if I dont I get fined out the ass..

Well at least we have a choice..

Seeing a specialist is the ridiculous one. Those can sometimes take six months or more, from a referral. No joke.

reply to post by iwilliam


I hear you, it's the same where I live. This is why it's amazing when they ridiculed the Canadian system about how long it takes to schedule a visit with a doctor, when we're also experiencing the same thing here in the U.S.! You can't believe everything you hear anymore.