There are enough Republican crossover votes to pass a clean CR, Boehner won't allow the vote

AlienScience
So does anyone on the Right have an opinion of Boehner not allowing a vote that he knows a majority in the house supports that would end the government shutdown?

Seems like all of you want to talk about anything except that simple fact.

Well in the absence of proof that a majority of votes actually exists, I would say our elected representatives in the House are finally representing the majority of the population.

There's no genuine indication from any official sources that say Boehner is holding back anything.

All we are hearing is an illusion from Left Wing puppet sources IMO.

AlienScience
reply to post by xstealth

 

this congress was the one who was voted in to put a stop to Obamacare.

They are doing their job for the first time I can ever recall.

And exactly how are they doing their "job"?

They have shutdown everything in the government EXCEPT the ACA...so how is it exactly that you think they are stopping it?

Obama and the Senate Democrats are not going to fold, Republicans are turning on the Tea Party members every single day, Grover Norquist has turned on the Tea Party members, Wall Street has turned on the Republicans, Corporations are turning on the Republicans, and the latest polls are showing that the public is overwhelmingly against this shutdown and hence telling the Republicans to knock it off.

But please explain, how are their current actions stopping the ACA?

They haven't shut down government, they have provided bills to keep government funded. The democrats have prevented these bills from being voted on.

The buck stops with Obama.

All you're doing is parroting NBC and the Obama administration. I actually feel terrible for people like you, to go through life so gullible never gives you a chance for success.

You believe this clown? He has lied to us every breath out of his mouth, and YOU STILL BELIEVE HIS SIDE OF THE STORY.



AHH LET'S BLAME THE PEOPLE'S REPRESENTATIVES!! Look, NO ONE I KNOW, NO ONE, supports the ACA; and no one I know blames congress for this. So keep believing those B.S. polls, but please don't throw them in my face as fact.

reply to post by AlienScience

Definitely not the CBO, the CBO has actually released very encouraging numbers about the ACA.

Would you like to share that information????

Here is what I found based upon the CBO and it's projections on Medicaid and Medicare!

The growth of health care spending cannot exceed economic growth indefinitely, because if it did, total spending on health care would eventually account for all of the country’s economic output—an impossible outcome. Instead, over time, people will try to limit their spending for health care in order to maintain their consumption of other goods and services. Private insurers and employers will adjust the insurance coverage they offer, the benefits they provide, and the amounts and nature of their payments to health care providers. In addition, state governments—which pay a large share of Medicaid’s costs and have considerable influence on those costs—will limit the growth of spending for health care in order to manage their budgets. Those reactions to cost pressures will increase the incentives for health care providers to invest in cost-reducing technologies and to increase efficiency. Thus, even in the absence of changes in federal law, growth in per capita spending on Medicaid and on health care financed through the private sector will gradually slow. The rate of growth of Medicare spending per beneficiary is also likely to slow, though to a lesser extent, even without changes in federal law—reflecting changes in medical practices common to all patients, payment rate changes allowed or required under current law, and the increasing pressure of premiums and cost-sharing amounts, such as copayments and deductibles, on enrollees’ finances.

CBO.GOV



So as you can see by what the CBO actually stated, versus your opinion and false assumptions, spending on healthcare, (the ACA, will increase to the GDP). How is that a good thing when we can't pay our bills now? What new taxes will our government officials come up with then?

Not only that, but it is forcing the STATES, to absorb the costs that the Fed can't keep up with!

Your painting of ACA, seems purely made up and fictional compared to the actual numbers and projections painted by the CBO, that I easily found by just looking it up..........

But hey, propaganda is great when it is used in your favor right????

Also notice this from the CBO, "Those reactions to cost pressures will increase the incentives for health care providers to invest in cost-reducing technologies and to increase efficiency." This is putting the pressures on the doctors and hospitals and those whom actually provide the health care, while allowing the "INSURANCE COMPANIES" to do nothing more than sit back and make money! Who will suffer????? Those whom need medical help!!! But pretend to be compassionate for your fellow human beings. It just doesn't add up.....

Reminds me of the Banker Bailouts if you ask me......

Indigo5

AlienScience


It's a valid comparison

It's a satire !!!

from the YouTube link;

For a fictional show (based on actual events), this is the truest news story you have ever seen.

xuenchen

Well in the absence of proof that a majority of votes actually exists, I would say our elected representatives in the House are finally representing the majority of the population.

23 GOP Members of Congress have now publicly announced they would vote for a clean resolution.

That plus the Democrats makes for a Majority of Congress.

And those are only the GOP that have spoken publicly.

You are either incapable of math or intentionally lying through your teeth?...No need to answer that...

seeker1963

So as you can see by what the CBO actually stated, versus your opinion and false assumptions, spending on healthcare, (the ACA, will increase to the GDP). How is that a good thing when we can't pay our bills now? What new taxes will our government officials come up with then?

I'll give you the first hint of where your BS is...

How come your chart shows years prior to ACA/Obamacare in that dark blue category??

Oh...that's right...it doesn't show the effect of the exchange subsidies...it shows a bunch of stuff rolled into one, including Medicaid?

Let me know what Medicaid Projections look like before and after ACA/Obamacare and with and without ACA/Obamacare implementation.

Actually don't...You have shown yourself as not capable of interpreting or presenting un-BSed-warped information.

Try here:

But for claims about deficits, we consider the Congressional Budget Office, often called the CBO, to be the standard by which we fact-check claims.

The CBO said this about the health care law back in 2010: It lowers the deficit, by about $124 billion over 10 years.

And in 2011, when Republicans offered a bill to repeal the health care law, the CBO said that increased the deficit, by about $210 billion over 10 years.

www.politifact.com...

Indigo5

AlienScience


Aren't we adults here? ...

I have to stop you right there...Are you new to ATS?

Somewhat, trying to learn quickly.

reply to post by xuenchen

Well in the absence of proof that a majority of votes actually exists, I would say our elected representatives in the House are finally representing the majority of the population.

There's no genuine indication from any official sources that say Boehner is holding back anything.

All we are hearing is an illusion from Left Wing puppet sources IMO.

Proof has been provided to you over and over.

Besides, Fox News has been reporting the same thing all day. They have also been reporting that House Democrats and a group of House Republicans are planning on using a parliamentary petition to force the clean CR to the house floor, but it can only be done on the second or fourth Monday of the month, so they can't introduce it until the 14th.

But you go ahead, and keep saying it is left wing propaganda. One way to prove that 100% is for Boehner to allow the vote and have it fail...why won't he do that?

Thorneblood
reply to post by beezzer

 

Yes, that is at least one standard definition of a Dictator.

And yes, rape, really. It is one of many forms of population control in dictatorships.

Well, no-one has raped my wife. Some could say that Obama has raped the trust of government and bent the American people over..

I cannot decide if your encouraging dictatorship or ignoring reality.

Neither.

If Obama was a Dictator, and this was a police state, Boehner would be dead and i am pretty sure Obama care, welfare and many other government services that people seem to hate on wouldn't exist...

Or. . . with a softer approach, Obama could start with just sending the IRS after people he didn't like.

Wait a minute....that's the answer isn't it. People would be perfectly ok with a dictator as long as he held the same values and ideologies that they held.

Well, that's obviously the case with you. (thumbs up!)

These are the people who control you, and the President. A dictatorship of hundreds? Is that possible?

Sorry. No-one controls me. Some may try to "dictate", but no-one controls me.

Boehner is a prick. Like most politicians this isn't about Americans, is it about his personal viewpoint and the views held by a small minority of elected officials. Naturally we will circle jerk around this for awhile, point the finger at anyone who doesn't sit on our side of the political divide and in the end do nothing about it but wait and bitch.

edit on 4-10-2013 by Thorneblood because: (no reason given)

Finally! Something we can agree on!

reply to post by xstealth

They haven't shut down government, they have provided bills to keep government funded. The democrats have prevented these bills from being voted on.

Ummm...yes, they have shut it down. Doesn't matter how many times you or Fox News says this, everyone knows this is the doing of the Republicans and their temper tantrum about the ACA.

The provided bills to keep their favorite sections of government funded. They are doing this for political reasons...they want to open up the Park Services...but haven't really said much about opening up the NWS or FEMA with a hurricane barring down on us. They will wait for the hurricane to hit, then introduce a bill to fund those specific items as well to try to look like a hero. But they can end it now if they would drop their tantrum about the ACA.

The buck stops with Obama.

Obama doesn't have a vote in the House or the Senate...I fail to see how he holds any blame at all. Until both houses pass a bill and Obama vetoes it, he holds zero blame for this shutdown.

All you're doing is parroting NBC and the Obama administration. I actually feel terrible for people like you, to go through life so gullible never gives you a chance for success.

LOL...yes, please pity my "lack of success"...if you only knew.

Look, NO ONE I KNOW, NO ONE, supports the ACA; and no one I know blames congress for this.

Hi, nice to meet you, I support the ACA and blame House Republicans for the government shut down.

There, no you know at least one.

reply to post by AlienScience

Besides, Fox News has been reporting the same thing all day. They have also been reporting that House Democrats and a group of House Republicans are planning on using a parliamentary petition to force the clean CR to the house floor, but it can only be done on the second or fourth Monday of the month, so they can't introduce it until the 14th.

Really??????? NO!!! REALLY?????

I have had FOX on all day, and really, I don't recall them saying that!! Please tell us whom on FOX news reported this so that it can be looked up!

PICS OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN comes to mind! Especially after you made the comment about the CBO which you haven't managed to back up yet! Seriously, all I have seen from you in this thread is bringing up talking points without anything whatsoever to back up your opinion..................for some strange reason, Joseph Goebbels comes to mind reading your posts....

@AlienScience

@Indigo5

No proof anywhere...

I don't trust the MSM.

Fail.

reply to post by seeker1963

Would you like to share that information????

Sure I can, and unlike you, I will share the total budget impact and not just the spending program. And here is a hint, more spending on healthcare programs saves money in other areas.

www.cbo.gov...

That legislation includes many other provisions that, on net, will reduce budget deficits. Taking the coverage provisions and other provisions together, CBO and JCT have estimated that the ACA will reduce deficits over the next 10 years and in the subsequent decade.

Sometimes you have to spend money to make money, or in this case, save money.

So as you can see by what the CBO actually stated, versus your opinion and false assumptions, spending on healthcare, (the ACA, will increase to the GDP). How is that a good thing when we can't pay our bills now? What new taxes will our government officials come up with then?

Why would you be posting only about the spending portion of the ACA and not the savings or revenue portions of the ACA? You wouldn't have an agenda you are trying to push and putting out incomplete information to accomplish that, would you?

I posted the facts above and you can go to the link to get all the numbers. The overall budget impact of the ACA is that it decreases deficits for at least the next 10 years.

Increased in spending does not automatically equate to increase in deficits. You completely ignored the savings and revenues that the ACA will contribute...very dishonest of you.

Your painting of ACA, seems purely made up and fictional compared to the actual numbers and projections painted by the CBO, that I easily found by just looking it up..........

But hey, propaganda is great when it is used in your favor right????

Projection much?

reply to post by AlienScience


You are correct I'm sorry I just keep forgetting that your logic is the correct one and nobody else is right accept the left.

seeker1963
reply to post by AlienScience

 

Besides, Fox News has been reporting the same thing all day. They have also been reporting that House Democrats and a group of House Republicans are planning on using a parliamentary petition to force the clean CR to the house floor, but it can only be done on the second or fourth Monday of the month, so they can't introduce it until the 14th.

Really??????? NO!!! REALLY?????

I have had FOX on all day, and really, I don't recall them saying that!! Please tell us whom on FOX news reported this so that it can be looked up!

PICS OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN comes to mind!

You are dead wrong...he is right...check actual news sources...It's called a "Discharge Petition"

I'll let reality sort you out, since no one needs to hunt down links to refute flat earth claims.

AlienScience
reply to post by xstealth

 

They haven't shut down government, they have provided bills to keep government funded. The democrats have prevented these bills from being voted on.

Ummm...yes, they have shut it down. Doesn't matter how many times you or Fox News says this, everyone knows this is the doing of the Republicans and their temper tantrum about the ACA.

The provided bills to keep their favorite sections of government funded. They are doing this for political reasons...they want to open up the Park Services...but haven't really said much about opening up the NWS or FEMA with a hurricane barring down on us. They will wait for the hurricane to hit, then introduce a bill to fund those specific items as well to try to look like a hero. But they can end it now if they would drop their tantrum about the ACA.

The buck stops with Obama.

Obama doesn't have a vote in the House or the Senate...I fail to see how he holds any blame at all. Until both houses pass a bill and Obama vetoes it, he holds zero blame for this shutdown.

All you're doing is parroting NBC and the Obama administration. I actually feel terrible for people like you, to go through life so gullible never gives you a chance for success.

Obama doesn't have when to vote when he tells all he will veto any efforts, there is no point of it going to a vote.

Republicans have passes bills to fund the government, Reid will not vote on them and Obama would veto them, he made this clear.

This is on him, his duty is to fix this.

reply to post by AlienScience

Sure I can, and unlike you, I will share the total budget impact and not just the spending program. And here is a hint, more spending on healthcare programs saves money in other areas

Unlike me??? Really? I gave you an example, all you did was give your opinion until I called you out to show some actual proof!!! I am glad I got you on the path that opinions mean absolutely nothing, and forced you to actually show some proof of what your saying! You should thank me for teaching you how to back up your opinion!

Your welcome! Now maybe you might be able to convince someone you know what you are talking about???

But you still refuse to acknowledge how it's a good thing for the ACA to increase to the decrease of GDP!!!!

It is nothing more than robbing Peter to pay Paul!

You also failed to answer how it's a good thing to make doctors and hospitals figure out how to decrease costs, while the insurance companies make out like bandits!

We saw it with Bush and the Banking Bailouts and now we are seeing Obama doing the same damn thing, but disguising it as healthcare!!!

Continue..............

xuenchen
@AlienScience

@Indigo5

No proof anywhere...

I don't trust the MSM.

Fail.

You missed page one of the OP?? Where GOP Reps. Themselves released statements?

Ya Know...I used to be frustrated by your prideful trolling and dishonesty...but the truth is...it is you and your ilk that are destroying the GOP...right now, right before your eyes and you still don't see it.

Good luck and Gods speed wherever your lies and vitriol lead you and yours.

beezzer

Thorneblood
reply to post by beezzer

 

Yes, that is at least one standard definition of a Dictator.

And yes, rape, really. It is one of many forms of population control in dictatorships.

Well, no-one has raped my wife. Some could say that Obama has raped the trust of government and bent the American people over..

Ahhh...I finally get to meet the creative genius behind the Creepy Uncle Sam Anal Probe Ads the GOP are running!!

seeker1963
reply to post by AlienScience

 

Sure I can, and unlike you, I will share the total budget impact and not just the spending program. And here is a hint, more spending on healthcare programs saves money in other areas

Unlike me??? Really? I gave you an example, all you did was give your opinion until I called you out to show some actual proof!!! I am glad I got you on the path that opinions mean absolutely nothing, and forced you to actually show some proof of what your saying! You should thank me for teaching you how to back up your opinion!

Seeker,
Give it up. Liberals don't like proof, because it never tends to back up their lies.

Here is an example of another one:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Truth is not on their agenda, and you can tell by their dear leader, who lies to us every time he opens his mouth.