Almost Too Horrible to Contemplate: Global Warming Could Destroy the Lives of 750 Million People in

I haven't seen much attention on ATS about the recent Climate report by "he IPCC – the international body of scientists analyzing global climate change"

www.alternet.org...


Thom Harmanns take on Alternet about GLOBAL DROUGHT

Almost Too Horrible to Contemplate: Global Warming Could Destroy the Lives of 750 Million People in the Short Future

To put that in perspective, 750 million people is more than twice the current population of United States. It's about the population of all of Europe. In the year 1900 there were only 500 million people on the entire planet. Seven hundred fifty million people is a lot of people.

And that's just the Himalayas and the rivers flow out of their glaciers toward South Asian regions including India, Pakistan, Nepal, Bhutan, and China. There are similar glaciers along the mountain ranges of western South America that supply water to other hundreds of millions of people – they are all at risk, too. We're even seen it here in the United States, with last year's drought in the West. Glaciers are changing in Europe, and the regions of Tanzania supplied by the famous "Snows Of Kilimanjaro," are drying up in ways that are creating serious drought problems for the people in those parts of Africa.

It means that hundreds of millions of people will be displaced, will starve, and will die. It means wars. It means famines. It means raging forest fires and the death of grasslands. It means the acidification of our oceans and the destruction of our ocean ecosystems. It means that we stand on the edge of tipping points that hurtle humanity toward extinction.

Yes, extinction.

Thom Hartmann is not an alarmist.

Then there was:

Destabilization of Arctic Sea Ice Would Be Game Over for Climate by by Subhankar Banerjee
at common dreams:

www.commondreams.org...

“[Arctic sea ice extent] certainly is continuing the long–term decline,” Julienne Stroeve, a scientist at the National Snow and Ice Data Center in Boulder was quoted in a Guardian article. “We are looking at long–term changes and there are going to be bumps and wiggles along the long–term declining trend, but all the climate models are showing that we are eventually going to lose all of that summer sea ice.”

After an amusing riff on 'Climate Zombies' (or it would be amusing if it weren't so dangerous).

There has been plenty more over the weekend.

Don't worry God's gonna rapture good republican talking heads.....

I have no argument with your thread, just that with or without human intervention it was bound to happen.

The earth has gone through this numerous times, did human activity slow or speed the process? I don't know. Dose it matter? In my opinion no.

It was bound to happen instead of the "blame who game" let's just admit it is happening, and work to limit the damage.

Or have the PTB done that with the seed bank, and in fighting of manmade verses natural argument?

terriblyvexed
I have no argument with your thread, just that with or without human intervention it was bound to happen.

The earth has gone through this numerous times, did human activity slow or speed the process? I don't know. Dose it matter? In my opinion no.

It was bound to happen instead of the "blame who game" let's just admit it is happening, and work to limit the damage.

Or have the PTB done that with the seed bank, and in fighting of manmade verses natural argument?

Well said. We can do things to mitigate the damage if we accept the reality of the situation. Well Said.

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Well is bound to happen, we humans are like a virus we just reproduce and contaminate everything in this earth because the bible said "we are special".

But the truth is that we are nothing but another species and worst than any other, so the same way that nature climate change got rid of the Dinosaurs so we will be exterminated also, we will become the fossil fuel of the species of the future.

Let see how "special we truly are"

Wow, those figures are staggering...
I honestly think the biggest obstacle facing those of us understanding these issues, is not the blatant disregard of facts that the majority of the public exhibit towards purported "global warming" (symptoms alone humanity cannot seem to agree upon). More so the question that I am sure many of us have asked too many times ourselves..

What can we do about it?

Sure I can recycle everything, keep compost, attend rallys and even leave behind society and live in the wild.
But when my ecological stain on this earth over my lifetime is just a drop the ocean of daily mega-business... well..

At this point it just feels like Bandage-Over-Bullet-Wound Syndrome....

reply to post by NightTImeLord


Climate change is part of earth nature is nothing we humans can do about it, is going to happen regardless as it been happening since earth beginnings.

reply to post by FyreByrd

G,day mate. No, negative. belay that. Piffle poppycock and bloody rubbish. the info is avail on this site, that disproves your fears. Junior u need to get out more. the top gear blokes drove to the north pole just after Al bloody Gore had stated the there was no ice at the pole. he is a wanker and an f/wit. but as cunning as a pack rat. this site yeah this one AT BLOODY S also contains the info that global warming was first put forward in a 1941 council on foreign relations document. the seas are not rising the boffins have stated that the earths magnetic field has weakened resulting in a flatter sea causing the ocean to move further inland. what they cannot understand is the increase in winds causing higher wave motion and further encroachment of the ocean upon low land. search this site it is all here,. don't bloody panic, search. this old vet needs a carlton. the stuff they make beer from.
lol.
oorroo civvie. and again doooont panic. don't play the game. look listen and search never take the first offered truth as the truth

Mate u need to understand that if the govt, the media and the govt paid boffins tell u its fair dinkum, there is a ninety percent probability that it IS NOT.

reply to post by marg6043


True, however you cannot deny that human activity has affected the earth.
If only to the point of exacerbating preexisting climatic conditions.
Matter cannot be destroyed, it can only change its state of existence.
And humanity sure has been doing a lot of converting...

The side effects of which don't just dissipate because you cannot see them.

reply to post by FyreByrd

Yeah you had better start paying more tax so your government can fix it

marg6043
reply to post by FyreByrd

 

Well is bound to happen, we humans are like a virus we just reproduce and contaminate everything in this earth because the bible said "we are special".

But the truth is that we are nothing but another species and worst than any other, so the same way that nature climate change got rid of the Dinosaurs so we will be exterminated also, we will become the fossil fuel of the species of the future.

Let see how "special we truly are"

edit on 30-9-2013 by marg6043 because: (no reason given)

We are not just another species we have the ability to actually change the planet for the good or the bad. No other species has this ability so yes we are special.


Why bash people religious beliefs? It comes off as intolerant and bitter.


The progressives want people to buy into this crap for one reason and that is money they could care less about fixing anything. It is yet one more way to control the weak of mind.

reply to post by FyreByrd


There are moves afoot to shutdown the Elites' counterfeiting machine, and they're just about desperate enough to do anything. That's why all the sudden new fear-porn about Global Warming.

They're after more opportunities to take your money, and that's all. I suggest you all go do some real research on your own—if for no other reason than to calm those screaming alarms they keep setting off in your head.

Seriously. They've gotten in your head. And when they do that you're already defeated....

Yah the ice is melting. But is it because of increased temperatures or soot?

Dark Snow

Maybe the "Global Warming" is really a distraction from the real reason ice is melting (pollution). Maybe the coporations responsible for that want us fighting amongst each other about it instead of looking at them.

Like 911, the War on Terror, etc.

Bicker, bicker...

reply to post by Ex_CT2


al "global warming" gore is so worried about it, he bought a million dollar mansion on a cliff in california - I guess he just wants to get the insurance money out of it.

The global warming crook scientists have long been shown to be propagandists - to get money to show their phony studies and get MORE tax money from the world.

GROW UP, you idiot morons - see the criminals for what they are.

Yes, we need to clean up pollution in the world - why not go after the really big polluters - like China, africa, and the nuclear energy companies?

faith of humans against rule of nature..

the faster is grows the quicker it dissapears...

humanity is one of the fastest growing spieces..it will not last.

reply to post by marg6043

Yes that is what was going through my enraged mind as I read about the
80 elephants in Zimbabwe whose waterhole was poisoned by poachers,poisoned with cyanide.VIRUS.

But then I remember the anti-poaching units all over Africa-the trueblue heroes who put their lives on the line every day to fight to fight the malignant strain of the virus.

As in that situation,same with this-the sole focus now should be trying to find solutions to help as many as can be helped-so much time has been spent debating whether climate change is part of a natural cycle of Earth/caused solely by humans/natural but exacerbated by humans-now the full focus should be on saving what can be saved.

Well.. thats a relief.

I don't even know 750 million people.

.. Oo

By time we're all done arguing about is it, isn't it, it won't be possible to do anything proactive to help ourselves anyway. I'm just investing in both thermal jumpers and air conditioning.

And wellington boots.

reply to post by FyreByrd


Whilst i applaud your thread i do take exception to your declaration that Thormann isn't an alarmist - whatever way you look at it, extinction really isn't on the cards (even though mass loss of life is). Mass loss of life is tragic and appalling but it isn't extinction.

As to the thread itself, i am not sure where is stand on the IPCC. I really think the climate change argument is a side issue that just encourages arguments. I have long thought we (as a species) should simply concentrate on the major pollution we are doing to our planet, not arguments as to whether the changes in climate are down to us or not.

Really, who cares if we are responsible or not? What we should be much more worried about is leaving future generations a planet with creatures still in the sea, or coasts that can be enjoyed instead of avoided due to toxic spills or oil in the water, etc, etc.

Whatever our personal views on climate change, we all know we are polluting this planet - that is what our focus should be on.

Personally I'm on the fence about global warming. Too many people are saying that it's happening, and too many people are saying that it isn't happening. And I get tired or trying to believe one group of people.

Although I will say that us humans are treating our planet like our personal garbage can. We consume everything we can, with little regard as to how much we're actually taking. And not everything on this planet will be in an endless supply. We really need to devise a system that accounts for our planet. We need to make sure a certain resource doesn't run out, we need to make sure we are doing everything we can not to pollute our environment, and so on.

And as far as population goes, humanity can't keep reproducing at the rate we are now. The planet just won't be able to handle it eventually. As of right now, there is roughly 7 billion people on earth. Imagine our planet with 14 billion people, then multiple that by 2 over and over again. We just can't afford to end up with billions of people. And over population would be a very simple to take care of. All you have to do is stop reproducing. Or at least stop doing it so much. I understand people want kids, but only have one, maybe two. If you have two, then they will replace you and your spouse once you die, so you end up with an eve amount of people. There will be no growth.

The solutions to pollution, over population, and so on really aren't very difficult to overcome. Sure it'll take quite a bit of work, but it can surely be done. It'll ultimately make life on this planet better. I just don't understand why our world is so set in it's way. I honestly think our world is insane at the moment. We just keep doing the same thing over and over again, and expect things to change, or be better. It's complete madness. And I really hope people snap out of it and realize we're spiraling out of control. Sometimes I think we're doomed. But then again, we've come all this way, I'm sure we'll be able to stick it out for much longer.

reply to post by NightTImeLord


At the end it doesn't matter, it is in human nature to spread, infect, devastate and we are arrogant enough to try to change earth nature with science.

At the end nature will always win, once nature get rid of the human species virus, earth will regenerate to accommodate a better species with more respect for nature.

reply to post by Raxoxane


The problem with humanity is that we are not of a collective mind, too much greed and disregard for life, any kind of life, see we are the most intelligence species in nature but we want to profit from innovation rather than helping each other out.

This will be the end of our own species with help of the same nature that made possible our proliferate in earth.

Yes climate change is real, is been happening since the beginning of earth and is nothing we can do about it, the only thing that we arrogant humans can do is find ways to survive whatever nature have for us. or we can die trying.