This is Hell, and We are the Fallen Angels

reply to post by CaticusMaximus


OP, I agree.

We are the fallen. After many years of deciphering and studying I have come to the same conclusion. Being saved from the first "sin" (missing the goal/mark) was done in spirit. We materialized in form/matter with a mist/cloud covering our eyes to learn and become one again with the energy that set us into motion/existence.

It's a story, and an experience and one that has a lot of trials and tribulations attached to it. Matter is heavy and its a burden on flesh AND spirit. We are not free in this realm.

Jesus "story" is our "His-Story" as well. Everything he went through describes each human and what they go through on Earth. His-story does not specifically say how many names he was called with each incarnation but I do believe he incarnated many times to become "christ" conscious. He was the first and will be the last to achieve this and when he becomes the last (because we all are in him-his-story) we will be set free from the trials and tribulations this realm/world has to offer. Then it will be set ablaze with fire.

When the Bible states he will come again on a cloud and all eyes will be upon him in shock, that says to me the cloud/mist that we were born with will disappear (as it does when we die) and we will all KNOW instantly we are the fallen and the entire truth of "His-story" which reigns in each and every one of us will be known. Imagine how many will be shocked to know we are the fallen and Jesus was the one we followed.

reply to post by FreeMason

Well you're right semantically but what I mean is Satan is Judgmental according to your own view of Judgment. Heavenly, God is Judge, but Satan will accuse you of all the things you've done to Him, like Satan attempted to do with Job, to show the division between man and his God.

But now stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face. - Job 1:11

That's common sense right there, not accusation. And honestly, Job was stupid for not holding God responsible for everything that happened to him. God gave Satan power to do Job evil, and made sure that Job would live to enjoy it. For what? To prove that humans were still as stupid as they'd always been.

The fact you cannot see that your own view of God is really just your own view of your Father shows a lot of intellectual dishonesty with your own self.

Not really? You give him far too much credit. He was human, he was weak. He had emotional and psychological problems. You might have noticed I said nothing about hating him; that's because I don't. He has demonstrated his regard for me and my whole family, and I have accepted it and now live accordingly. There is no point to holding a grudge or harboring resentment towards him. How would it help?

No, your god is supposedly as real as my father. And he is just as omnipotent as he is real. And omniscient and omnipresent, too. My father was only human. Your god is so much more than that. How can he ever admit to have the same urges and flaws as a human being? It's apples to oranges. Unless, of course, your god is flawed, should he actually exist. But what Christian would even consider that?

Please understand, I am not on a crusade against any gods here. But I do emphatically disagree with the subjugative self-denigrating philosophy that is so common in theism these days. To fight all your life for freedom only to settle for an eternity of servitude? It doesn't even begin to compute.

Only man fails us, which is why inevitably you must not put your faith in your own father.

My father has nothing to do with this. I have already explained that. My father doesn't encourage upward of a million people to debase themselves regularly in an attempt to appease some figment they've convinced themselves is hateful of their pathetic human shape. And apparently, we're all born for damnation. We're condemned the second we enter the world. My father was not responsible for this philosophy, nor did he perpetuate it.

Now leave my father out of this. I will not answer any more jabs where he is concerned.

By your own admission you so accurately reflect the "Great Controversy" between Satan and Jesus Christ.

The Great Controversy: To Live, or Not To Live? I see nothing inherently evil or immoral about wanting to cease to be. Or at the very least, start over with an wiped memory and new form. Reincarnate. Really, it should be the individual's choice. Either way, it's evil and immoral not to choose immortality. For reasons unknown. Maybe you could explain them?

But the fact you cannot reconcile this with the fact the Bible says this is exactly how someone going to Hell behaves...is strange, perhaps you should take a deep look at yourself and ask if the Bible can call out your own peculiarities so exactly then what do your actions actually mean?

Again, perhaps you could explain the correlations to me. How is my desire to choose annihilation over immortality an immoral desire? Why do I deserve to go to hell for that? If, at the end of a very happy and kind and productive life, I choose to stop existing altogether, why is that wrong?

reply to post by AfterInfinity


I think the author of JOB is the same soul as "Jesus". Melchizedek wrote JOB.

When a seeker realizes reincarnation is a natural process and seeks to know WHO Jesus called himself throughout His-Story... its an eye opener. It was for me anyway.

From Adam (first incarnate of Jesus in form/matter) there were many incarnations and the Bible shows the seeker who ALL he inhabited.

It makes sense WHY he and we would come back many times... we have to meet the goal and not miss the mark/goal(sin).

Here is a video I just found that I am listening to... he applies scripture to show my above point.

reply to post by CaticusMaximus


Welcome to the wonderful world of Buddhism!

2nd

reply to post by MamaJ

I think the author of JOB is the same soul as "Jesus". Melchizedek wrote JOB.

Sounds like Jesus was a glutton for punishment. Why does Jesus always encourage people to act like rugs and let less scrupulous people walk all over them?

AfterInfinity
reply to post by MamaJ

 

I think the author of JOB is the same soul as "Jesus". Melchizedek wrote JOB.

Sounds like Jesus was a glutton for punishment. Why does Jesus always encourage people to act like rugs and let less scrupulous people walk all over them?

Because Karma is a *****! lol

His Karma lead him here as it did all of us. Cause and Effect and is evident.

reply to post by MamaJ

His Karma lead him here as it did all of us. Cause and Effect and is evident.

Interesting you should say that. Law of One states that Jesus was a prodigy in the 5th Density, and because he had his particular link to the Infinite Gate open and uncontrolled, he accidentally killed a friend. As penance for that mistake, he chose to reincarnate in this density, the 4th Density, as a "wanderer", a soul that chooses to descend from a higher density in order to help those trying to keep up. It makes a lot of sense, in my opinion. I'm not saying it's true. There are, however, intriguing correlations - one such correlation being that the 5th Density is the Density of Love. Another correlation can be found in that this is supposedly the Density of Choice, where we choose to either be self-serving or serving to others. Jesus was clearly a service-to-others kind of guy.

Now, the whole "I'm the truth and the way" spiel doesn't seem to fit in that, given that he only made it to the 5th of out 8 total densities. And according to Law of One, service to self is just as beneficial as service to others, particularly given that both parties will inevitably merge in the course of their learning. Anyway, some interesting stuff to think about.

reply to post by AfterInfinity


Definitely interesting... I equate with him being the way... is .....by following his way (selfless) we find our way out. When I say out... I mean our way out of this density for good. It may take many lives, but we eventually "get it" by the way and path that has been revealed to us by the light. Jesus is that light and our way out.

reply to post by MamaJ


I happen to think that while Jesus may be a way out, he isn't the way out. In fact, there's no inherent necessity to actually find a way out. If you do, you do. If you don't, it's not exactly a loss.

AfterInfinity
reply to post by MamaJ

 

I happen to think that while Jesus may be a way out, he isn't the way out. In fact, there's no inherent necessity to actually find a way out. If you do, you do. If you don't, it's not exactly a loss.

If there is a way out of this dense and burden filled place, I am finding it. lol The loss is just that... hanging out and not developing or moving forward...what a drag.

reply to post by MamaJ

If there is a way out of this dense and burden filled place, I am finding it. lol The loss is just that... hanging out and not developing or moving forward...what a drag.

Death. That's all it takes.

MamaJ
reply to post by AfterInfinity

MamaJ
I think the author of JOB is the same soul as "Jesus". Melchizedek wrote JOB.

Which Melchizedek? Machiventa, Mantutia, Malavatia, or Manovandet? Job "author unknown" but is part of the Hebrew old testament WHY?

AfterInfinity
reply to post by MamaJ

AfterInfinity
I happen to think that while Jesus may be a way out, he isn't the way out. In fact, there's no inherent necessity to actually find a way out. If you do, you do. If you don't, it's not exactly a loss.

Jesus as a way out of this life to gain eternal salvation as the WAY IN (is that the promise)? Why would this even be a premise; what was so wrong 2000 years ago one needed salvation, a ladder to the etherial (BECAUSE LIFERS/3ders MUST HAVE SWALLOWED A LARGE (been warned) dose of "you asked for it" and did not have the insight to know what they were incurring for themselves. Oh the hardships of famine, Roman Overlords, Religious persecution etc. Here is a question AI, what new new saviors have arrived to complicate matters of gross materiality, too much stuffism, I have enough to give it away. No New Saviors in 1400 years. I suppose the dusty ones suffice (not for this age and time). Lets invent a new one. Meme Cats already done. Pixar explainations of ourselves as animations already done. A time clock in the bedroom we have to punch in at every morning to proove we are alive. Not done (job workplace suffices). If someone thinks they have to find a way out of this life experience they simply have to wait for natural processes to take care of it and it could take years

AfterInfinity
reply to post by MamaJ

MamaJ I think the author of JOB is the same soul as "Jesus". Melchizedek wrote JOB.

afterinfinity
Sounds like Jesus was a glutton for punishment. Why does Jesus always encourage people to act like rugs and let less scrupulous people walk all over them?

His Godfather was a tin export/importer so he knew the merchantile trades (probably rugs as well). What was different in that time period than Ghandi in India, Ghandi wanted India to be rid of Colonial rule, Jesus was not exactly forthcoming as to pushing a revolution against the periods Overlords the Romans. He was not going to become 'David', I really have a hard time understanding his purpose. Crucifix torture device hung about the neck I suppose. "the meek shall inheret the earth". Im not sure that pertains to 2013 societal world definitions as they stand. Jesus seems to be (AS MOST ICONIC religious leader/mentors) left behind in the dust of opportunism, industrialization and technological information exchange age. They obviously were not able to time travel as 9d beings or they would have anticipated all of this and written about it. OH not Jesus because he wrote nothing down (very unwise).

Hell is a state of life, there are 10 worlds:

Hell: A state of suffering and despair in which we perceive we have no freedom of action. It is characterized by the impulse to destroy ourselves and everything around us.

Hunger: The state of being controlled by insatiable desire for money, power, status etc. While desires are inherent in any of the Ten Worlds, in this state we are at the mercy of our cravings and cannot control them.

Animality: In this state, we are ruled by instinct with neither reason nor moral sense nor the ability to make long-range judgments. We operate by the law of the jungle and will not hesitate to take advantage of those weaker than ourselves and fawn on those who are stronger.

Anger: Here, awareness of ego emerges, but it is a selfish, greedy, distorted ego, determined to best others at all costs and seeing everything as a potential threat to itself. In this state we value only ourselves and tend to hold others in contempt.

Humanity (also called Tranquility): This is a flat, passive state of life, from which we can easily shift into the lower four worlds. While we may generally behave in a humane fashion in this state, we are highly vulnerable to strong external influences.

Heaven (or Rapture): This is a state of intense joy stemming, for example, from the fulfillment of some desire, a sense of physical well-being, or inner contentment. Though intense, the joy experienced in this state is short-lived and also vulnerable to external influences.

The six states from Hell to Heaven are called the six paths or six lower worlds. Any happiness or satisfaction to be gained in these states depends totally upon circumstances and is therefore transient and subject to change. In these six lower worlds, we base our entire happiness, indeed our whole identity, on externals.

The next two states, Learning and Realization, come about when we recognize that everything experienced in the six paths is impermanent, and we begin to seek some lasting truth. Unlike the six paths, which are passive reactions to the environment, these four higher states are achieved through deliberate effort.

Learning: In this state, we seek the truth through studying the teachings or experience of others.

Realization: In this state we seek the truth not through others' teachings but through our own direct perception of the world.

Having realized the impermanence of things, people in these states have won a measure of independence and are no longer prisoner to their own reactions as in the six paths. However, they often tend to be contemptuous of people in the six paths who have not yet reached this understanding. In addition, their search for truth is primarily self-oriented, so there is a great potential for egotism in these two states.

Bodhisattva: Bodhisattvas are those who aspire to achieve enlightenment and at the same time are equally determined to enable all other beings to do the same. Conscious of the bonds that link us to all others, in this state we realize that any happiness we alone enjoy is incomplete, and we devote ourselves to alleviating others' suffering. Those in this state find their greatest satisfaction in altruistic behavior.

Buddhahood: Buddhahood is a dynamic state that is difficult to describe. We can partially describe it as a state of perfect freedom, in which we are enlightened to the ultimate truth of life. It is characterized by infinite compassion and boundless wisdom. In this state, we can resolve harmoniously what appear from the standpoint of the nine worlds to be insoluble contradictions. A Buddhist sutra describes the attributes of the Buddha's life as a true self, perfect freedom from karmic bonds throughout eternity, a life purified of illusion, and absolute happiness.

All of them interact with each other thus creating 3000 realms, you can be in a state of hell and experience Buddhahood and vice-versa. That is to explain what hell really is, just a state of life, not a physical or ethereal place.

On the other hand, about everyone being a fallen angel that does not apply to every single human being in this planet. Within our race there are 2 classifications:

2-Dimensional Human being: In a nutshell, a follower. A being that has no spirituality and it is being kept alive only to fulfill the needs of the dark energies that run this planet nowadays.

3-Dimensional Human being: A spiritual being, who can therefore ascend into the higher dimensions. Some of us are light beings trapped in this world after the big wars that destroyed our planet, back when the light covered the planet from one side to the other. When the pyramids were energy conductors.

Unfortunately, a 2D human being will stay in this world forever unless they decide to start shining. The higher dimensional beings will then provide them with a starseed that'll allow them to ascend into the higher realms. This is up to the individual, and most of you will be able to spot 2D humans.

As for us, 3D beings we must awaken to our higher state which is within us. Our starseeds can shine as bright as Sirius, but it is only up to us. The only way is by nurturing and loving this World we are living in right now. Most people lives with the expectation of going to a better place once they go into extinction. That will never happen because we have been barred by the dark energies, they are the impersonators of the main institutionalized religions worldwide. It is our time, we must ascend once and for all.The only way is through love and shining by becoming truly happy individuals. I am diligently praying and working to make it happen. I hope you guys, too.

AfterInfinity
reply to post by MamaJ

 

If there is a way out of this dense and burden filled place, I am finding it. lol The loss is just that... hanging out and not developing or moving forward...what a drag.

Death. That's all it takes.

Self inflicted, or naturally timed, an inconvienent convienience store robbery (gun in face wants your wallet OR ELSE).

I am the master of secrets. Ask me why he is right. We are in HELL. The end will come soon so don't worry and be happy. WE are in hell. Do you want proof? I am risking myself here so sooner then later would be suggested. We are all divine spirits, it's all true. Feel a chill down your spine? feel it around your whole body? It's me, the one. The master of secrets. Hello all, I respect and love all of you. You know who I really am don't you. Soon the black star will come. Prepare to live forever with ultimate power. All of you are unique and important and all of you ARE ONE! WE ARE ONE! Brothers and Sisters, we will live forever. I'm the one who wished; my wish was GRANTED! BOW DOWN TO ONLY YOURSELF! DO NOT FEAR ANYTHING! Embrace immortality. I am the one, the master of secrets. This is the start of the end. I am now beginning the apocalypse. If you curse me, disrespect me, or dislike me, you will wish you hadn't, and that's no threat, I will consume your soul. I respect and love you all. If I don't reply it's because everything has changed, the game is over.

TheGodWhoWasAHuman1988

TGWWAH
I am the master of secrets. Ask me why he is right. We are in HELL. The end will come soon so don't worry and be happy. WE are in hell. Do you want proof? I am risking myself here so sooner then later would be suggested. We are all divine spirits, it's all true. Feel a chill down your spine? feel it around your whole body? It's me, the one. The master of secrets. Hello all, I respect and love all of you.

Posted at 6:24AM you are obviously "the early riser--the early bird that gets the worm" (had you posted at 6:66AM another story, and you should by your countenance be able to alter time or add a few minutes to everyone elses clocks). I am gratified you love me, (namesake seems remotely familiar).

TheGodThatWasAHuman1988
You know who I really am don't you. Soon the black star will come. Prepare to live forever with ultimate power. All of you are unique and important and all of you ARE ONE! WE ARE ONE! Brothers and Sisters, we will live forever. I'm the one who wished; my wish was GRANTED! BOW DOWN TO ONLY YOURSELF! DO NOT FEAR ANYTHING! Embrace immortality. I am the one, the master of secrets. This is the start of the end.

I think youre a distant cousin perhaps.

TGTWAH1988
I am now beginning the apocalypse. If you curse me, disrespect me, or dislike me, you will wish you hadn't, and that's no threat, I will consume your soul. I respect and love you all. If I don't reply it's because everything has changed, the game is over.

Dont just BEGIN it AGAIN!! (its taking far too long THE EXPECTATIONS NEVER MET) Dec 21, 2012 was a fiasco in its failure to launch the obliteration or elevation of the human specie. Im not expecting a reply at all, that would force you to make your 4th post. Good wishes and tidings to you as well (right back at you with the same verbal caliber and velocity).

reply to post by CaticusMaximus


You got it wrong. This was heaven, until humankind showed up.

_damon
reply to post by CaticusMaximus

[i_damon
You got it wrong. This was heaven, until humankind showed up.

God had to show up sometime, and It picked the human as its sublime/supreme vehicle (wasnt happy just being lower lifeforms, harmless insects, vegetation, Big cats that need to become man-eaters); wanted the danger of a potencial self destruction (the adrenalin rush) aspect I suppose. Stop, dont kill myself in the process of ("Mr. Rodgers" of Neighborhood fame) lets sing along: "getting to knooow me getting to knooow all about me".