Catholic Hatred. (Impossible Thread, Episode #2)

reply to post by truejew

Dear truejew,

You've made me curious.

Assuming that you're motivated by love, and your purpose is the saving of the souls of others, what's the purpose in opening with, "Hey! You Catholics! You're condemned and lost because of your faith. So is just about every other denomination you've heard of?" I just don't understand.

Isn't that approach almost guaranteed to drive anyone far away, or start some very hateful discussion? It appears that the "fruit" that you're gathering here is bitterness and anger. What are you thinking?

With respect,
Charles1952

wildtimes
You know what, truejew? You are one of the most hateful, judgmental, and unpleasant people I have ever come across.

Yep, that's pretty much him and his theology, in a nutshell. If you don't follow the cult leader, no matter how moronic his claims are (today, it's teaching that Jesus didn't speak Aramaic, because that's somehow an evil language,) you're going to hell.

"You don't know really know the meaning of love or the worth of it until you love your enemies." Ann Langenderfer

Nobody can squirt hatred and condemnation from their eyes like a Catholic nun. My aunt was a nun, and boy was she full of hate and hell fire. She may have been nicer to us kids if our parent took us to church, but as it was, all she had was contempt for us non-believering heathens.

Maybe all nuns aren't like that, but she sure fit the stereotype.

Sookiechacha
Nobody can squirt hatred and condemnation like a Catholic nun. My aunt was a nun, and boy was she full of hate and hell fire. She may have been nicer to us kids if our parent took us to church, but as it was, all she had was contempt for us non-believering heathens.

Maybe all nuns aren't like that, but she sure fit the stereotype.

I had very sweet nuns in school. The principal (a nun) could have been a Marine drill sargent. I am sorry you had to see that from your own family member.

When you think about it, the hater pays a higher price than the ones they hate. It affects their personality in a very ugly way.

reply to post by sad_eyed_lady


Good thing I never went to a Catholic school. I had enough problems with authority in school. I sure wouldn't have responded well to the Catholic hierarchy of authority. Since I don't and never believed in God and Jesus I'm sure I would have been a troublesome handful.

"A heart that carries malice is not a suitable dwelling place for the God who loves all, but the demons will abide happily within." Ann Langenderfer

reply to post by Sookiechacha


They were strict and some were mean. Some kids needed discipline, but some they pushed right out of the Church door.

My brother failed the Constitution test that you had to pass to complete the 8th grade. A nun told him he would never amount to anything. That reverse psychology spurred him to become a lawyer, but like I said, some they pushed right out the Church door and he was one.

reply to post by sad_eyed_lady


Has you brother re-entered the church door? If not, I'm sure that nun still thinks that he's amounted to nothing, because, you can't get into heaven without the church. The nun's who pushed him out the door may be responsible for many of the souls in Hell.

reply to post by Sookiechacha


The first time I ever experienced a viciously hateful look was in the Psyche ward. This poor girl who had ECT and seemed pretty out of it asked me what church did I go to. When I told her "Catholic" her demeanor changed to what I could best describe as an attack dog. It really creeped me out. Glad she wasn't my room mate. I wouldn't have been able to sleep.

Nice chatting with you Sookiechacha, I am closing shop. Sweetdreams or have a great day whatever comes first.

reply to post by charles1952


Hi Charles,

I can't believe I missed this thread until just now! I haven't read it all the way through yet, but I thought I'd add my input anyway.

Bassago

charles1952

Believing the pope speaks with the voice of god is another stumbling block. He's just a man. Whether god talks to him directly... well millions of christians claim the same power.

It has authority over people who believe it but that's all. It has no more supernatural authority than any other organization that claims the same. Though as you pointed out they killed a lot of people exercising that "authority."

This is my problem, as well, with the Catholic Church, that they believe they have authority over the eternal existence of my soul, through the Pope. It's an absurd and infuriating position to try and reason with.

I also have a huge problem with the history of the early church and how they abused their assumed authority and abused whole populations of people. In my opinion, their abuses were tantamount to "blasphemy against the holy spirit". The Holy Spirit being the inner vice and moral conviction endowed on us by "God". They tried to silence it and kill it.

They gained their wealth and power through the subjugation of people, and still hold that wealth and power today. Nothing good can come from the evil that the Vatican is guilty of.

Now that I got that off my chest, I'm going go back and read the rest of the thread.

edit on 28-9-2013 by windword because: (no reason given)

I don't "hate" the catholic theology, however I honestly believe the catholic faith is a joke. Any organised religion is a joke in my opinion.

Opposing religions have been struggling with one another for years and years. And if you look at the christian faith for example, there are tons of different branches, such as baptist, catholic, luthern, calvinism, and the list goes on.

Judaism, Islam, and Christianity are actually under the same umbrella of religion. They just have much more specific differences that they believe. Yet there's been much blood shed and tension because of different religious teachings.

I don't understand why there hasn't been only two different religions yet; Either you believe in at least one deity and/or god. Or you do not believe in any god and/or deity.

Who cares about the specifics? If there is a god, do you honestly think it would care what kind of hat your wearing, or what day you choose to worship on, etc.?

Believe in god if you will, I just can't stand when people claim their a specific faith. Religious folk are all on the same page for the most part, so why get technical with it?

adjensen
So, is this claim made because of your ignorance of Gnosticism, Catholicism, or both?

Catholicism teaches the trinity and other doctrines which have been passed down from Kabbalah/Gnosticism. As to the rest of your post... Let's not turn this thread into another one of your off topic rants.

wildtimes
reply to post by truejew

 

Paul preached against Gnosticism, which Catholicism is a descendant of. If you want to see real hatred, take a look at the Catholic and Protestant churches who have in the past murdered those who have had different beliefs.


"charles1952 wrote: Who has a harsh word for the Episcopalians, Presbyterians, or Unitarian Universalists?"


Those groups are as lost as Catholics are.

Wow.

Just, WOW. You know what, truejew? You are one of the most hateful, judgmental, and unpleasant people I have ever come across.
Too bad you can't wake up to yourself.
Good luck with .... with....whatever.

Not seeing much of a compassionate, loving attitude there....

edit on 9/27/13 by wildtimes because: (no reason given)

I have no hate towards any person. My only hate is the evil actions and false doctrines taught by people.

Do you hate that the Catholic Church has murdered innocent people?

charles1952
reply to post by truejew

 

Dear truejew,

You've made me curious.

Assuming that you're motivated by love, and your purpose is the saving of the souls of others, what's the purpose in opening with, "Hey! You Catholics! You're condemned and lost because of your faith. So is just about every other denomination you've heard of?" I just don't understand.

Isn't that approach almost guaranteed to drive anyone far away, or start some very hateful discussion? It appears that the "fruit" that you're gathering here is bitterness and anger. What are you thinking?

With respect,
Charles1952

My first post is an answer to your questions. It also reveals the hypocriticalness in your thinking that anyone who preaches against the Catholic Church is being hateful.

I preach against the sins of the Catholic Church without hate and you call it hate. When a Catholic (Adjensen) goes past simple preaching and shows hate for me and uses slander, you say nothing.

Sookiechacha
reply to post by sad_eyed_lady

 

Has you brother re-entered the church door? If not, I'm sure that nun still thinks that he's amounted to nothing, because, you can't get into heaven without the church. The nun's who pushed him out the door may be responsible for many of the souls in Hell.

Sorry not to have caught this before I closed shop last night, my apologies.

To answer your question, he was very influenced by one of his mentors and chose a different Christian faith. He has great fevor and love for the Lord and others.

It is heresy to preach that the Catholic church is the only way to get to heaven. A priest that did that was not only defrocked, but excommunicated. Bet he's changed this beliefs on that one as he comdemned himself to Hell by his own in his own belief system.

IMHO in all churchs, Christian or otherwise, it's leaders do have responsiblity for their followers. Their job is to feed souls and not feed them GMO (God Move Over) poison.
Who am I to judge who will be going to Hell? Making a wall between God and man is never a good thing.

Having an air of superiority as your aunt did does not reflect humility in anyway. I don't need a church to tell me that exalting yourself leads to being humbled. People love an opportunity to knock someone of their pedestal. In Catholicism humility is a virtue.

Humility

Sookiechacha
Maybe all nuns aren't like that, but she sure fit the stereotype.

My aunt is a 95 year old retired nun, who is one of the most amazing women I've ever known -- I go down to visit her in the convent a couple of times a year, and she has an almost mystical air of peace around her, and infectious -- the spiritual uplifting I get from my visits with her lasts a long time after I return home.

So, no, not all nuns are like that, and if the ones that I meet in that convent are indicative of anything, I'd say almost no nuns are like that.

truejew

adjensen
So, is this claim made because of your ignorance of Gnosticism, Catholicism, or both?

Catholicism teaches the trinity and other doctrines which have been passed down from Kabbalah/Gnosticism.

Like I said, completely ignorant of Gnosticism, which does not teach the Doctrine of the Trinity. Do yourself a favour and try and get educated on the subject from someone who doesn't just invent facts to fit his dumb beliefs.

As to the rest of your post... Let's not turn this thread into another one of your off topic rants.

The topic of this thread is hatred of the Catholic faith, not Gnosticism, and claiming that Catholics are Nazis is demonstrably hatred. You've been so swallowed up by your cult's culture of hatred that you don't even know what the word means any more.

reply to post by truejew


True Jew, I know many Muslims were slaughtered by Christians in the Crusades and that some Priests were involved with Nazi prison camps.

These WW2 crimes seem to involve the sick mentality of Hilter that so many Germans fell prey to and later deeply regretted.

Charismatic leaders can mesmerise their followers into doing horrible things, e.g. Jonestown Massacre. Exorcist Gabriel Amorth believes that Hitler was possessed. You have to agree that pure hate he spewed.

I hope you take a couple minutes to read this:
The Gentile Holocaust

The Catholic Church in Poland was especially hard hit by the Nazis. In 1939, 80 percent of the Catholic clergy and five of the bishops of the Warthegau region had been deported to concentration camps. In Wroclaw, 49.2 percent of the clergy were dead; in Chelmno, 47.8 percent; in Lodz, 36.8 percent; in Poznan, 31.1. In the Warsaw diocese, 212 priests were killed; 92 were murdered in Wilno, 81 in Lwow, 30 in Cracow, thirteen in Kielce. Seminarians who were not killed were shipped off to Germany as forced labor.

and
Maximilian Kolbe

The Kolbe article is from www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...

Maximilian Kolbe was a Polish Conventual Franciscan friar most famous for volunteering to die in place of a stranger at the Auschwitz concentration camp.

I hope you read the whole article and see how deep his efforts were. They went much father than dying for a stranger.

reply to post by adjensen


Gnosticism teaches that men become god. I don't think that has ever been accepted by the Roman Catholic church as a whole. While there were some who followed Gnosticism in the early days, their gnostic views were put out of the Roman Catholic church as it was forming.

Gnostics

While the word gnostic itself simply means "knowing", then all Christians should be gnostic. But because gnosticism includes pan-theism, then Christians are not in that regard.

I replied on this one, adjensen, because I know that you are the one who was addressing the gnostic accusation from truejew. I am supporting your position, adjensen, so I thought I would bolster from here.

Would truejew consider me a gnostic?

The Catholic position has always been "God became ONE man". It has never taught, as the Roman Catholic church, that men become gods. While many people in the first 400 years of Christianity were a plethora of individual beliefs, the Nicea Council was formed to discuss what the Roman Catholic church want to accept in that particular organization.

There are Eastern Orthodox, Greek Orthodox, Coptic Orthodox and Ethiopian Orthodox that simply chose not to be affiliated with the church in Rome.

I think that's the problem with most Protestants, they think everything is Roman Catholic, and to some degree I have heard some Catholics think that way as well. Not everyone of them, just a few. But Protestants think every Protestant is Puritan or Anglican or Baptist. The same goes for some Catholics.

But as far as Gnosticism, as opposed to the true meaning of gnostic, was never accepted by the early church, even though some gnostics considered themselves Christian.

And Constantine was Byzantine, not a part of the Western Roman Empire. What he did was simply call all the representatives from those churches and have them create a concise compendium of what that church wanted to accept or toss out. When the representatives from the Gnosticism sects came, they were argued with because they didn't represent what those early church founders considered to be Christian in doctrine.

Even Nestorians believe they are Christian, so it goes back to the original argument of how the Church viewed the divinity of Christ. That was the original debate.

Adjensen, I hope you are ok with me putting this in the reply to you, I was wanting truejew to understand your position and truejew can hear from a Protestant on the subject also.

A lot of New Age and pagans believe that man becomes god through knowledge. That's not what the Roman Catholic Church teaches. Even I, as a Protestant, know that.