Catholic Hatred. (Impossible Thread, Episode #2)

Let me begin by saying for years that I condemned all catholics, period. The Lord convicted me of this sin, and I no longer do that, however I still believe that the RCC is a cult, for a number of reasons. (Remember, this is not a condemnation of any individual, but the system as a whole) Also, fwiw, I'm not very fond of most "churches", of any denomination either, seeing as how they have watered down the gospel message, and ma deit to no effect. (True repentance, holiness, the act of forgiveness, discipleship, etc) These are things that are merely given lip service. How can I say that? Because there is no REAL FRUIT overall in the church in the USA today. (Notice I didn't say world-wide.) But mainly b/c of 2nd Thess 2:3, where it talks about the great "falling away". It's in black & white. If you call yourself a Christian, (using "you" in the general sense) how can this be denied or overlooked? It can't.

Now for specifics. (Please don't take it personally)

1. Vain prayers: The bible says that they think they will be heard for their vain repetitions. I can't think of anything more vain than saying the same prayer over & over again, as if it means something when the bible condemns such action in the first place.

2. Prayers to Mary: She is NOT Omniscient, this is a characteristic of God alone. To think that she can hear millions of prayers from all over the world, is stupid. (Again not trying to offend. I DON'T have a problem with confessing our sins one to another, b/c that provides accountability, (something else seriously lacking in Christendom today) but it says to confess to one another, not just a specific person/position. I can, (if I wish) confess to you, and it would be just as valid.

Furthermore, I am VERY anal when it comes to taking away from the glory & honor of my Lord & Savior. I honestly feel the way some talk about Mary, whether they admit or not, usually not, that they actually talk about her like she's deified. Jesus once was told that His mother was waiting for Him, and He said I'm about my father's business. IOW, His work was more important than her position. No one prays, thanks Noah for saving humanity, b/c he had nothing to do with it, save by being obedient. (Which God saw he would do ANYWAY.)

Lastly, and this is the coup de grace, the Council of Trent. I've haven't read here how any catholic can defend this piece of garbage, period. The bible says "If we confess with our mouth & believe in our heart Jesus rose from the dead, we shall be saved." However, in the COT, if I say I am saved, I am "anathema." (damned) If I say there is salvation outside of the RCC, I am also "anathema".

Seriously pope? Get off your high horse. I need only trust in Jesus as my Savior AND Lord, (and I make it clear it's both, not either/or) and I am assured eternal life.

And earlier you mentioned Charles how indulgences were wrong, yet why would the pope bring them back? Indulgences are back

And then you have the brown scapular.

“Take this Scapular, it shall be a sign of salvation, a protection in danger and a pledge of peace. Whosoever dies wearing this Scapular shall not suffer eternal fire.” This is Mary’s promise made July 16, 1251 to Saint Simon Stock.

History brown scapular

All of these ways to, imo, circumvent the blood of Christ, frankly pees me off. It's not biblical, it's deceitful, and frankly I'm appalled/aghast of how ANY Christian can remain in a system that supports these kinds of abominations.

On a kinder not, I do believe that Monsignor Fulton Sheen (I believe that was his correct title before he died) was hands down the most gifted orater/teacher I have ever heard, minus his teachings about the things I mentioned above of course.

So there you have it, in full, to the best of my ability. I eagerly await your reply.

God bless. Maranatha.

aboutface

charles1952
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Protestants, you are taught that YOU are the temple of the Holy Ghost, why aren't you a house of prayer? Catholics, please allow me to address my fellow Protestants on this one. They might not like it, but Protestants are taught that we should hear the tough things and consider them.

I am really tired of Protestants constantly poking Catholics in the eye and yet doing the very same thing, allowing the same things to go in the Protestant churches.

Jesus would not have any more controversy with the Vatican than He would have with each and everyone of us, if we are the temple of the Holy Ghost. Jesus with the moneylenders was a fulfillment of Micah 6.

(American Standard Version) Micah 6: 1 Hear ye now what Jehovah saith: Arise, contend thou before the mountains, and let the hills hear thy voice. 2 Hear, O ye mountains, Jehovah's controversy, and ye enduring foundations of the earth; for Jehovah hath a controversy with his people, and he will contend with Israel. 3 O my people, what have I done unto thee? and wherein have I wearied thee? testify against me. 4 For I brought thee up out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed thee out of the house of bondage; and I sent before thee Moses, Aaron, and Miriam. 5 O my people, remember now what Balak king of Moab devised, and what Balaam the son of Beor answered him; remember from #tim unto Gilgal, that ye may know the righteous acts of Jehovah. 6 Wherewith shall I come before Jehovah, and bow myself before the high God? shall I come before him with burnt-offerings, with calves a year old? 7 will Jehovah be pleased with thousands of rams, or with ten thousands of rivers of oil? shall I give my first-born for my transgression, the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul? 8 He hath showed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth Jehovah require of thee, but to do justly, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with thy God?

If you call yourself His people, Oh Christian, then the Lord has controversy with us. The moneylenders were not cheating people, they were selling them the idea of all that was required of them was to go to Jerusalem once a year and buy a sacrifice. But there is so much more required of us.

Is God pleased with our sacrifices of praise that come from a wicked heart? Is God pleased with our sacrifices of gold that we give because it is expected of us? Is God pleased with us for sacrificing our children on the altar of Molech? Protestants, you know it is happening in all churches. It is more than just abusing children, it is sacrificing them for your own convenience.

The Lord brought you up out of bondage, out of the captivity of sin, and then you believe you can turn away and put yourself back in it, while saying all the time that you are free. No, you are not free. Even Jesus taught this. Protestants, as much as you accuse Catholics of praying to Mary, I have seen you pray to the god of your imagination. You imagine that God will put aside all of nature and character to excuse you. The god that excuses you is not the God of the Bible. The god that overlooks the sin of the Protestants is not the god of the Bible, and churches, stop telling Catholics to clean their house when your own house that once was cleaned out, but empty, is now seven times worse because that devil went back and found it empty and then brought with him seven more devils. Sure, your temple is clean, but who resides in you?

These same Protestants who have been saying they don't accept the Pauline religion, then you just don't know how much Paul knew what Jesus taught.

1 Corinthians 13 American Standard Version (ASV) 1 If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am become sounding brass, or a clanging cymbal. 2 And if I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 And if I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and if I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profiteth me nothing. 4 Love suffereth long, and is kind; love envieth not; love vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, 5 doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not its own, is not provoked, taketh not account of evil; 6 rejoiceth not in unrighteousness, but rejoiceth with the truth; 7 beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. 8 Love never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall be done away; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall be done away.

Protestant brothers and sisters, if you think you can sacrifice everything without love, God has controversy with you. What Jesus was really angry about was not only the moneylenders selling it, but the people buying it. The moneylenders weren't the ones doing the sacrificing. What have you bought to sacrifice in the temple of the Holy Ghost? If you are the temple of the Holy Ghost, then you should be a house of prayer, and if your temple is clean, but empty, the end state of you is going to be seven times worse because you have no love, all you have is sacrifice that God can't even accept.

I would not like God to have controversy with me. I don't want Jesus to have to enter this temple to call me a den of thieves and toss around everything in my heart just to get my attention that I should be a house of prayer and not a bunch of empty sacrifices.

schadenfreude
Let me begin by saying for years that I condemned all catholics, period. The Lord convicted me of this sin, and I no longer do that, however I still believe that the RCC is a cult, for a number of reasons. (Remember, this is not a condemnation of any individual, but the system as a whole) Also, fwiw, I'm not very fond of most "churches", of any denomination either, seeing as how they have watered down the gospel message, and ma deit to no effect. (True repentance, holiness, the act of forgiveness, discipleship, etc) These are things that are merely given lip service. How can I say that? Because there is no REAL FRUIT overall in the church in the USA today. (Notice I didn't say world-wide.) But mainly b/c of 2nd Thess 2:3, where it talks about the great "falling away". It's in black & white. If you call yourself a Christian, (using "you" in the general sense) how can this be denied or overlooked? It can't.

Now for specifics. (Please don't take it personally)

1. Vain prayers: The bible says that they think they will be heard for their vain repetitions. I can't think of anything more vain than saying the same prayer over & over again, as if it means something when the bible condemns such action in the first place.

2. Prayers to Mary: She is NOT Omniscient, this is a characteristic of God alone. To think that she can hear millions of prayers from all over the world, is stupid. (Again not trying to offend. I DON'T have a problem with confessing our sins one to another, b/c that provides accountability, (something else seriously lacking in Christendom today) but it says to confess to one another, not just a specific person/position. I can, (if I wish) confess to you, and it would be just as valid.

Furthermore, I am VERY anal when it comes to taking away from the glory & honor of my Lord & Savior. I honestly feel the way some talk about Mary, whether they admit or not, usually not, that they actually talk about her like she's deified. Jesus once was told that His mother was waiting for Him, and He said I'm about my father's business. IOW, His work was more important than her position. No one prays, thanks Noah for saving humanity, b/c he had nothing to do with it, save by being obedient. (Which God saw he would do ANYWAY.)

Lastly, and this is the coup de grace, the Council of Trent. I've haven't read here how any catholic can defend this piece of garbage, period. The bible says "If we confess with our mouth & believe in our heart Jesus rose from the dead, we shall be saved." However, in the COT, if I say I am saved, I am "anathema." (damned) If I say there is salvation outside of the RCC, I am also "anathema".

Seriously pope? Get off your high horse. I need only trust in Jesus as my Savior AND Lord, (and I make it clear it's both, not either/or) and I am assured eternal life.

And earlier you mentioned Charles how indulgences were wrong, yet why would the pope bring them back? Indulgences are back

And then you have the brown scapular.

“Take this Scapular, it shall be a sign of salvation, a protection in danger and a pledge of peace. Whosoever dies wearing this Scapular shall not suffer eternal fire.” This is Mary’s promise made July 16, 1251 to Saint Simon Stock.

History brown scapular

All of these ways to, imo, circumvent the blood of Christ, frankly pees me off. It's not biblical, it's deceitful, and frankly I'm appalled/aghast of how ANY Christian can remain in a system that supports these kinds of abominations.

On a kinder not, I do believe that Monsignor Fulton Sheen (I believe that was his correct title before he died) was hands down the most gifted orater/teacher I have ever heard, minus his teachings about the things I mentioned above of course.

So there you have it, in full, to the best of my ability. I eagerly await your reply.

God bless. Maranatha.

Hello and welcome to this thread! Nice to see another eye on ATS.

Your post is thoughtful and intelligent and even though I am 2 ounces smarter than a brick I wlll try to comment on your beefs and direct you to the horses mouth for answers.

Vain prayers. Well I am not sure if you mean prayers that are prayed in vain or if the pray-er is vain for showing off their vainity to others e,g, praying in public to draw attention to your fake piety.

Ok, I got "vain" now after checking the link below.

Have a look at this discussion which does discuss the term "vain"
and you will know why I was not familar with how you meant it as it is not in the Catholic Bible.

Repetitive Prayer

Prayers to Mary: Mary is Omnisence? That is a heresy and I know no one who believes it. I couldn't expain it better so I share this:

Prayers to Mary and the Saints

Regarding your comments about the Brown Scapular. I wear one. Conditions were made that must be kept in order for that promise to be fulfilled. If you wear it as any insurance policy and feel free to live in sin and that is will open the pearly gates for you, I are wrong.

The Brown Scapular Of Our Lady of Mount Carmet

Got issues with the Pope, I understand. I had some issues with a few myself. Not naming any names. I think Francis I is awesome. He is on no high horse if you follow what he does you will see is a humble man with great compassion for mankind and respect for the world God created.

Nothing but the blood of Jesus, yes indeed.

Indulgences never left and nobody pays cash for them either.

Myths About Indulgences

I hope this helps.

Godspeed.

reply to post by WarminIndy


I think what I am trying to say is this "He that is without sin, let him cast the first stone". We are all with sin, so let's stop throwing rocks at each other. You know, Jesus did say that if we didn't praise Him, the very rocks would cry out.

Can you imagine a rock saying "please don't throw me at that person, God loves them too".

reply to post by sad_eyed_lady


I think sad_eyed_lady gets stars from me all the time

I read your other post, and I am glad you survived that situation. Thank God you can give wisdom to people who might be there right now.

Keep fighting the good fight of faith.

Charlie1953
Being a Unitarian Universalist means many things, but primarily I have been around the block or the pews a few times. I was not born into a Catholic family, but grew up in a heavily Catholic neighborhood. Eventually, I came to know a couple of Fathers and several Sisters. In later years, I counted such as good friends. However, my personal search did not end there. What I did learn was to separate the man from the issue. It has been written by theological historians that Christianity won the Roman Empire not by words and martyrs, but with actions demonstrating Christian teachings of humility, caring, and love to all. Actions always speak louder then words. Besides, I like Pope Francis. He understands to be like Christ means "being" like Christ.

Can you imagine a rock saying "please don't throw me at that person, God loves them too".

That would be awesome. Especially if every rock getting ready to be hurled did it.

Peace on Earth would begin and nobody would ever use the expression "dumber than a box of rocks" again.

Jesus tried to tell us this. It's a pretty hard sell.

reply to post by WarminIndy

I read your other post, and I am glad you survived that situation. Thank God you can give wisdom to people who might be there right now. Keep fighting the good fight of faith.

Thanks for the empathy and I intend to do just that.

People do not get how hard the devil works to bring about our demise or play on his team.

How many of us have had original thoughts or ideas? I am not talking about scientific inventions that get patented and I am not taliking about the necessity is the mother of invention ideas, even though I can see the divine inspiration in both. I think they are few are far between for most.

Don't hesitate finding God's wisdom in others words. It is something to embrace and dwell on.


In the parable of two wolves I see how by grace we can grow and by negativity we can succumb to evil.

The devil's folly is taking a negative thought and through our own ignorance we foster evilness totally unaware. I have gotten to the point where I can see both God and Devil are there to encourage my thoughts. If a negative thought pops in my head I know it is not of God. Yet the devil is ever so kind to lick the wounds of self-pity, hatred and self-righteous indignation (I am sure you could come up with more) and in doing so they only grow bigger. He uses others that you trust (should you show them your pain) to encourage you to be mad at your husband, co-worker, etc and in place of the understanding you seek and expressions of love that you need their well-intended confirmation of how terrible it is, your right to be angry, etc. only feeds the negativity.

We get a barrage these thoughts incoming on a daily basis, never grasping that dwelling on them is doing you harm. Never even having an awareness that we are dwelling on them. They get re-cycled over, and over ad naseum in an effort to keep us from being able to do this:

New American Standard Bible
Finally, brethren, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is of good repute, if there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, dwell on these things. Philippians 4:8

Parable of 2 Wolves

*Disclaimer, this is attributed to be a Cherokee legend, but anyone might have penned it.

Praying for the grace/gift of discernment for all.

reply to post by sad_eyed_lady


I didn't know what the brown scapular was so I looked it up. The concept doesn't seem so different than phylacteries the Jews wear.

People wear crosses and have tattoos of crosses and crucifixes. Even the famous singer Madonna wears them, even though she studied the Kabbahla. But if someone wears a scapular because it means something to them, then by all means, people should do that.

As far as people wanting to ward off evil, some people consider hex signs painted on their barns are for that reason. Now some may say the Amish don't do this, but I grew up near Amish country in Ohio and have seen hex signs in their homes. I think a lot of hex signs are very pretty.




As I didn't know about it, I looked it up.

Brown Scapular Forgive me if this link was already in the thread. On this link it says

This, in fact, has been promised to those who faithfully wear the scapular: "Those who die wearing this scapular shall not suffer eternal fire." This must not be understood superstitiously or magically, but in light of Catholic teaching that perseverance in faith, hope and love are required for salvation.

I think sad_eyed_lady has said this very thing all along about her faith.

Here is from my favorite movie Fiddler On The Roof Tevya explains why they wear prayer shawls as more than just tradition, it shows their constant devotion to God.



I think that if someone wears something that shows their devotion to God, then it's not such a terrible thing. It doesn't mean they have faith in the thing itself, but just a reminder to others. I don't know why people would even have an issue with this.

sad_eyed_lady, it seems to me that it means something to you to wear it. If I saw you wearing it I would now know what it is and I would probably say to myself "Oh, that is a Catholic person" and mean nothing more than that.

I think we have to remember the time in which the Brown Scapular was first introduced, all of Europe was in the Black Plague. That was a terrible time to live in, never knowing from one day to another if you were going to get the plague. But even Paul handed out handkerchiefs for sick people to wear. So then it's not the object, it's the anointing placed onto the object. If Brown Scapulars were anointed for a purpose, then I don't see anything wrong with it.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and information.

The hex sign is news to me.

Well, that was a time travel back to Fiddler on the Roof. I always enjoyed that song.

Yes, if you see a Catholic wearing a scapular you won't say: "your tag is showing in the back." I've had that happen.

God Blessings to you and yours.

sad_eyed_lady
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and information.

The hex sign is news to me.

Well, that was a time travel back to Fiddler on the Roof. I always enjoyed that song.

Yes, if you see a Catholic wearing a scapular you won't say: "your tag is showing in the back." I've had that happen.

God Blessings to you and yours.

edit on 9/29/2013 by sad_eyed_lady because: (no reason given)

Well the tag does say who made it...so.... I would know your brand.

And I have been in Amish homes, some are very superstitious but not all.

I have read that the hex signs were first done by the Pennsylvania Dutch, but the experiences I had with the Amish, again, I have seen it myself. The Amish are currently undergoing a slight cultural change, many are still traditional but a lot are now buying cell phones. I saw an Amish family in the line for security in the airport in Philadelphia, I was surprised at first but then I realized that they do travel like anyone else.

reply to post by WarminIndy


Thanks for sharing.

I can't imagine a cross-country buggy ride on an interstate.

Love to you.

i am neither a tim or a hun and as long as they do not bother me or mine let them get on with it but it gets my goat up when they push religion on people .

if you want to see religious tolerance go to glasgow when the old firm are playing celtic/ rangers .

yip if people want to worship a volcano god or the rebel of judea let the get on with it

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New American Standard Bible Finally, brethren, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is of good repute, if there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, dwell on these things. Philippians 4:8

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reply to post by EricD


I haunt these forums myself, and for the same reason Charles mentioned, I've stopped replying. It almost fits in perfect with the definition of insanity.

But onto your post regarding Hislop. Let me start by saying sometimes I'm not good at speechifying or wordifying so I like to find a source that has already answered things that are commonly discussed. So, I found this:

The nineteenth century witnessed a flowering of this "pagan influence fallacy." Publications such as The Two Babylons by Alexander Hislop (the classic English text charging the Catholic Church with paganism) paved the way for generations of antagonism towards the Church. During this time, entire new sects were created (Seventh-day Adventists, Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses)—all considering traditional Catholicism and Protestantism as polluted by paganism. This era also saw atheistic "freethinkers" such as Robert Ingersoll writing books attacking Christianity and Judaism as pagan.

The pagan influence fallacy has not gone away in the twentieth century, but newer archaeology and more mature scholarship have diminished its influence. Yet there are still many committing it. In Protestant circles, numerous works have continued to popularize the claims of Alexander Hislop, most notably the comic books of Jack Chick and the book Babylon Mystery Religion by the young Ralph Woodrow (later Woodrow realized its flaws and wrote The Babylon Connection? repudiating it and refuting Hislop). Other Christian and quasi-Christian sects have continued to charge mainstream Christianity with paganism, and many atheists have continued to repeat—unquestioned—the charges of paganism leveled by their forebears.

Source

I also think quote by Archbishop Sheen that Charles used is very appropriate in a great very many situations.

reply to post by IsidoreOfSeville


Thank you for sharing. This link you provided goes a long way in clarifying some of bad information that gets rehashed ad naseum at ATS. It is posts like yours and others that have keep this discussion from becoming a mud wrestling match.

In my use of a search engine to source my information and find scripture passage I note that it is not just ATS members attacking the Catholic faith, it is rampant in websites that come up with some off the wall stuff that gets passed off as truth to those who don't know better.

My only wish is that Charles would repost the Rev. Fulton Sheen quote you mentioned so I don't go batty trying to find it. Let me guess. It's in the opening post.

Safe travels.

reply to post by sad_eyed_lady, eric d, and IsidoreofSeville

Dear friends,

I've stayed out of the thread for a little while on purpose. I didn't want to interrupt your discussion and mutual support.

This thread has several purposes:

Allow people to express their anger and hatred towards the Church without being yelled at in return. A "safe place" to open up to Catholics honestly.

The thread would allow Catholics, or others, to talk with those people to clarify misunderstandings and provide facts instead of rumors or slurs. This, I hoped, would bring a softening of heart to those who hated, and a clearer understanding for those who were open to listen. Perhaps, it would even affect our audience which chooses not to take part in this thread.

One unintended side benefit, is that some Catholics and other Christians could identify themselves to each other, providing each other with friendship, support and holy love. You are doing that magnificently. I'm especially glad to see IsidoreofSeville break his silence to join us.

If you can think of anything I can do to be of any help to you, please let me know. In the immortal words of Hellboy, "It's my job."
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In an entirely different tone, where did those who hate the Church go? I can't believe they've all been converted. Is this a battlefield they don't want to be on? Have you provided enough love and reason that they can't live in it?

With respect,
Charles1952

reply to post by adjensen


There are many accounts of relentless catholic persecution of christians. This source counts at least 50 million, some of which occured all the way to the 20th century. Entire people groups were slaughtered. Of course Hitler viewed his final solution as another catholic inquisition, or at least sold it as such to the masses.

The source was written by David A Plaisted in 2006.

In fact the catholic church signed concordat's with both Mussolini and Hitler. Catholic persecution continues to the present day in predominately Roman catholic countries.

reply to post by SevenThunders

Dear SevenThunders,

You are being far too modest in your assessment. From your source:

These population figures may actually underestimate the death toll by a significant factor. If someone is killed who is past child bearing age, his death will likely have only a temporary effect on the population. Someone who is killed after having half of their children will have half of the long term effect on the population as someone who is killed before having any of their children, on the average. Therefore, the total death toll could easily be double that indicated above. Furthermore, the possessions of those who die will be redistributed among those who remain, which will tend to cause the population to grow somewhat faster than normal. In addition, the base figure for population growth could easily have been taken as 50 percent or higher instead of the values given above. This is especially true because of many millions, perhaps 45 million, killed in Europe in the Counter-Reformation after 1517 and before 1700. Therefore the population figures permit, and even invite, the conclusion that the death toll due to persecution in the Middle Ages is astronomical, and many times larger than 50 million.

Many times larger. Your source seems to be suggesting that perhaps 300 million were killed by the Pope in the Middle Ages. I'm sorry, that's silly.

And your source doesn't neglect the Inquisition.

20 million Protestants in the Inquisition (not just in Spain) from 1518 to 1548 and onwards

Perhaps he adds "not just in Spain," because Protestants in Spain at the time where a very small group and the Inquisition was after Jews and Muslims who had falsely converted to Catholicism.

Of course, most historians disagree with these numbers. Start with Wiki, which shows the best estimates of trials conducted by the Spanish Inquisition to be about 87,000 with at least 1303 deaths.
en.wikipedia.org...

Recent scholarship also shows the conclusions drawn by your source are faulty.
en.wikipedia.org...

And from The Jewish Virtual Library, which has no reason to make the Inquisition look good, comes this:

By the second half of the 18th century, the Inquisition abated, due to the spread of enlightened ideas and lack of resources. The last auto de fe in Portugal took place on October 27, 1765. Not until 1808, during the brief reign of Joseph Bonaparte, was the Inquisition abolished in Spain. An estimated 31,912 heretics were burned at the stake, 17,659 were burned in effigy and 291,450 made reconciliations in the Spanish Inquisition. In Portugal, about 40,000 cases were tried, although only 1,800 were burned, the rest made penance.

www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...

So with fewer than 40,000 people killed by all the Inquisitions, can we get rid of the idea that 20 million protestants were killed by the Inquisition? And with that number destroyed, what faith do we put in his other numbers?

I'm sorry to say it, but the 50 million figure is grossly inflated.

With respect,
Charles1952