Forced to take flu vaccine or get fired.

reply to post by crazyewok


"i ate this" later "i got sick" so "whatever i ate made me sick" mentality. Its simple but not accurate nor logical.

Th reason people fear vaccine is because of the fear of the unknown or "it has virus in it", we don't understand it, so we can;t trust it.

It is sort of like, lets say you piss off the waiter, now you know that feeling you have that "he may have done something to your food"? that whats going on here.. that feeling of uncertainty.

All all started with a unqualified journalist claimed incorrect information, which was enough to make that uncertainty becomes full fledged antagonism.

I have mixed emotions about this. I feel that any doctor who pushes vaccination yet who refuse them for their family or themselves should lose their license to practice.

I fully understand the concept of inoculating oneself to protect patients who could died because their systems are so weakened that a simple cold could kill them. That just seems like common sense,,, IF all of the ingredients to these "vaccines" were common knowledge.

Now for the reason I question the validity of vaccination. I personally know someone who had an adverse reaction to the mandatory cocktail they give you in the armed service. It is mandatory there and they will order / force you to get it even though the doctors there will oft times not give it to themselves or allow any personal friends slip by without getting the shot.

My friend went in to the marines. She lost 60 lb of fat, her arms even though she is 4 inches shorter than me became almost as large as mine, she gained a washboard stomach, and got into the best physical shape of her life before enlisting. Less than a week after she was ordered to receive the shot, her health began to decline until the day her DS ordered her to call home as a failure. She now takes drugs to keep her full body cramps down to a minimum, wears braces on her legs to help with the pain so she is able to walk with the assistance of a walker or a cane on the rare good days, and has lost a good portion of her balance. You would think she could get help from the VA, but considering that the vaccine destroyed her before she was able to make it through basic, there was no medical discharge, therefore she receives no benefits. And to top it off, her medical records from boot have been classified so her civilian Docs have no idea what exactly to treat her for. Can I get an OORAH? Anyone? Oh, and all of this before she was 26.

I understand that the flu shot is nothing like the cocktail they give you in the military, but seeing first hand what a bad reaction to a vaccine can actually do is enough for me to not get one myself.

www.mvrd.org...
www.mvrd.org...
m.youtube.com...#/watch?v=pihBqGjYzck

Look this up on youtube " Some Have Adverse Reactions To Military Vaccines

KCRA News"

reply to post by luciddream


In 1976 a lot of people either died or became paralyzed due to the swine flu vaccine... maybe that has something to do with it, before calling BS, look it up yourself.

Why not go to the CDC website and look up what kind of additives are in vaccines? Aluminum gel? This alone should throw up red flags. Aluminum is toxic and is linked to alzheimer's. It is generally bad all around when taken in to the body. Formaldehyde? Or in other words embalming fluid... MSG? Thimerosal which contains mercury?

A vaccine is not simply just a dead virus.

crazyewok
reply to post by Nostrenominon

 

What makes me know better?
I WORKED MAKING THEM

I started at bottom and eventually worked on a number of the processes involved!

I 100% know what goes in them. Nothing could have been added without me or my former collegues knowing. Everything came sealed from the suppliers and everything mixed ,added and processed had to be logged down with another person confriming thats what was done. As for the suppliers adding stuff in before we got impossible as QC had to check every new batch that came in to make sure it was what it said it was using Gas spectromitry and Infered spectrometry, machines that had to be tested regualy too. Any protein based material had to go throuh varius protien analysys like western blotts. Results could not be faked.

We dont just stick random chem in a syringe and send them out!

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Right and you somehow think that you know what those vaccines go through every step of the way...

You don't know s*** about what is in any of those chemicals, and you nor the government knows anything about the long term effects or evolutionary consequences of constant vaccinations. You're still in the dark, and the fact that you think that you're not, puts you in an even darker spot. At least I'm aware than I'm ignorant about what's in the vaccines, you seem to still be in denial. Bottom line, you have no idea what is in any of those chemicals or how they affect us, do you? Oh wait, let me guess, you are also the chemical engineer that produces all the chemicals for the vaccines!!!! Get real.

reply to post by crazyewok


I think the liability is partially from a lack of tort reform and of course, Congress is a majority formed from lawyers in their professional backgrounds. Go figure...

I think a large part though is recalling the '76 disaster. That was a vaccine that really did make some people deathly ill and actually killed some. No question. It was a unique set of circumstances...but would that matter if they screwed up that badly again today? Would we even be told, 100% certain, that was the connection or cause? I don't know for sure.

If we were told at all, without the liability protections? Lawsuits from another 1976 Flu vaccine would be billions upon billions by the time it was done, I have no doubt.

Now they could just make absolutely sure it didn't happen again....or....they could (and did) get blanket liability immunity granted by one Administration, reinforced and expanded under a second ..to insure they can't be touched if they do screw up again.

That's why I look on vaccines as a necessary evil for public health ...and badly overused for what is vaccinated against vs. the risks inherent with anything injected past the natural filters the human body has.

reply to post by Acidgrey

What exactly are these other vaccine ingredients?

These are added components to prevent unneeded growth in the vaccine, it also, make them last longer in different temperature and keep them stabilized(and not turn into something else)...

or would you rather have a vaccine that has HIV and polio growing inside?

*Adjuvants help vaccines work better, longer and faster;
*Added preservatives to keep multi-dose vaccine vials sterile;
*Antibiotics to prevent bacterial growth during vaccine preparation;
*Stabilizers to help maintain quality during storage at different temperatures.

And all of these and their dosage are set by WHO and the countries respective Health Organization.

Aluminum salts are present in vaccines that prevent viral or bacterial diseases such as hepatitis A and B, diphtheria, tetanus, whooping cough. These vaccines are recommended for both children and adults. Alum is not present in live viral vaccines such as those that prevent measles, mumps, rubella, chickenpox and rotavirus.
Aluminum salts have been used safely as vaccine adjuvants since 1926.

Preservative:

Thimerosal is the most effective preservative and has been used safely for over seven decades. Most vaccines licensed in Canada do not contain thimerosal. Only influenza vaccine and most hepatitis B vaccines contain thimerosal.

Thimerosal contains ethyl mercury in an amount well below established limits of safety. Ethyl mercury is eliminated from the body rapidly and does not accumulate, even in premature infants. This is in contrast to methyl mercury which is found in many foodstuffs, especially fish – and which remains in the body longer and can accumulate.

Stabilizers:

Stabilizers are substances added to improve the vaccine quality or stability. Substances such as albumin, gelatin, and lactose help to stabilize the immunogens throughout the manufacturing process for example when a product is freeze dried. They also help to prevent loss of immunogen through absorption to the glass vial container.

Source.

Nostrenominon
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Right and you somehow think that you know what those vaccines go through every step of the way...

Yes I have worked in 2 production departments and Quality control.

First job was preparing the chemicals the day they get shipped in. So that getting them putting our own internal lablels on them, takeing samples to be checked by QC, mixing the chemicals with there revelvent buffers. Takeing samples of said buffers to be sent to QC and every step had to be verified by at least 1 person.

Secound job was preparing the antigens. So growing the bugs. These ranged from simple CAT 2 bugs to CAT3 stuff. Once the bugs are grown they were sent off for the Antigens or Antibodys to be extracted (department next door) though I never worked in that bit I sometime had to go in and to 2nd person varification. After they are proccedthey are sent back to me were I sent mix them with there revelvent chemicals/buffers with samples taken for QC. After this stage it sent to packaging and the packages can NOT be tamperd with.

Last job was working in QC itself. So I woild take the samples and make sure what was in them was what was meant to be . Gas Spectrometry, Chromatgoraphy and Western Blotts made up this job. If anything wrong was in them WE WOULD HAVE PICKED IT UP.. IF the suppliers added anything WE WOULD HAVE PICKED IT UP.

Every little sample has a HUGE paper trail like a chain of evidence. Nothing could be substitued or lost without crap hitting the fan. Infact a whole department got fired cause they used the wrong type of water!

Nostrenominon
You don't know s*** about what is in any of those chemicals,

Yes, yes I do as I explained above. Thats what QC is all about.

Nostrenominon
You're still in the dark,

No, no im not.

Nostrenominon
At least I'm aware than I'm ignorant about what's in the vaccines,

Yes you are very ignorant .

Nostrenominon
you seem to still be in denial.

No im going on what years of being around hard evidence has told me.

Nostrenominon
Bottom line, you have no idea what is in any of those chemicals or how they affect us, do you?

Yes, yes I do. It what 8 years of university and work Experiance has shown me. If I didnt know what each chemical was I would not not have been in QC. And even the floor cleaners needed to learn what they were and what they can do as part of health and saftey!

Nostrenominon
Oh wait, let me guess, you are also the chemical engineer that produces all the chemicals for the vaccines!!!!

Microbiologist and immunologist actually. And no not a chemical engineer. Dont have to be. Just need to learn what chemicals I was useing.

BTW
You can check out our supllier SIGMA. You can buy stuff yourself from them. Send it to a independant lab for anaylsis if you like?

Nostrenominon
Get real.

Im real it you thats not.

Im guessing you dont have a degree (Libral arts dont count) and work in a low level low quailified position?

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


To be honnest this was new to me and pretty bad form that they have that in place.

And to be honnest Flu jabs are a waste of time.

Usless as they are they are not used for genoside of the unwashed massed or putting mind control chips in people.

reply to post by crazyewok


Cool Job, you are helping many people kudos dude
Ignore the people who are to paranoid to see that vaccines have saved millions of people around the world and will continue to do so...oh well this is ATS

reply to post by boymonkey74


Was a cool job

It got transferd to the States.

Got offerd to go with the department but didnt like the thought of living over there.

Anyway my coolsit job was with another big evil co operation.
COCA COLA!

Did QC with them for a while. Now that was fun!

reply to post by crazyewok


Dont forget to add all the chemical come with a CoA(Certificate of Analysis) who have their own QC department investigating their chemical production, to top it off, the QC department contains QA, and auditing, which audits the chemist works and these people are critical as hell. To top it off, they also have multiple chemist working on the same protocol and SoP, which is compared to see how they are similar/different.

Man people think labs just add bunch of stuff like making a cake and sell it to the store.

Im a Microbiologist, too bad im just an Assistant in a micro lab, so im hesitant to call myself a full fledged microbiologist, but i was part of assisting with production of penicillin and well as enumerating viable virus for vaccines prep.

reply to post by luciddream


*Waves to a fellow lab rat

O yes there that too! I would have said but the ignorant would say it made up and all fake

reply to post by crazyewok


no, no, you have it wrong, we are evil, "rich" people trying to reduce world population thru vaccines.

luciddream
reply to post by crazyewok

 

no, no, you have it wrong, we are evil, rich people trying to reduce world population thru vaccines.

Evil? Well maybe

Rich? No Maybe I should move to Ontario!

That why I have temporarly gavin it up! Gone self employed to see if I get more money!

reply to post by crazyewok


lol rich part was trying to play on word the "big pharma",

"if you work for a big pharma, you would be rich" attitude.


I WISH!!!

luciddream
reply to post by crazyewok

 

lol rich part was trying to play on word the "big pharma",

"if you work for a big pharma, you would be rich" attitude.


I WISH!!!

Haha I know.

Just highlighting how adverage our pay is.

For the record to those readaing even a R&D sceintist that come up with some revolutionaly drug ect doesnt get as much as you think!

The highest paid are the lawyers, Admin and of course upper managment.

In UK you start at around £18K + health insurance. If you dont go into managment you will retire around £30-40K . If you go into managment your looking at £60-80K . If you work in R&D and make a good discovery you may get a good bonus but it will still be a fraction of what the CEOs get.

reply to post by crazyewok


Yup i think after supervisor level is where you start noticing a difference. about $90,000-100,000. Management starts around $130,000 to $180,000, then you have directors for each department, like Stability,/Quality/Compliance and Sales, these easily top $300,000...

sadly the chemist and lab rats are just expendable, we do the hard dirty and sometimes dangerous work.

I too have landed a new job in a hospital

and I am required to have loads of different vaccines in order to take the job

why, because the last thing you want when you into hospital and are sitting imunocompramised is to have someone sneezing over you with the flu. Then you end up with the Flu which could be extremely serious for you depending on your illness, all because some random hospital worker read something online by Alex Jones or who ever that the flu jab will make you impotent or whatever

Anyone who wants to work in a hospital with direct patient contact as a duty of care to that patient, by not ensuring that you (the worker) are protected against things like flue you are not meeting this duty of care. What might seem like a mild cold to you that you head into work with for a patient could be a deadly dose of the flu.

Get the jab or don't take the job OP.

reply to post by PtolemyII

The fact the h1n1 "pandemic" fell completely FLAT when no one GOT the vaccine in droves ,like that had planned ,is proof enough for most people with functioning reasoning and cognitive skills.

Nope! You are absolutely wrong. THAT would only be PROOF to those with some type of cognitive DISORDER.

The fact the first bird flu vaccine from i think 2008 or so ,was found to be tainted with LIVE VIRUS,ergo ,anyone who got the vaccination ,would have gotten sick ,is also quite obvious to anyone who isn't a moron .

Here's a fact for you:
Anyone one that gives more weight to possibilities, than they do to reality, IS a "moron". That problem was discovered during the testing of lab samples, that were never intended for public distribution.

The pharm company that made that vaccine claimed the live virus got in there"by accident".

I have no doubt that you feel that is "proof of intent" but, in reality, that is only evidence of your paranoia.

But given the amount of vaccine they made preparing for a pandemic that never occired ....*coughs*
The amt of virus needed to taint that amt of vaccine would have been ....two tons .
TWO TONS

Here's another fact for you:
No one was given the vaccine that was tainted with live avian virus.

Believe everything the CDC WHO and ama says....let us know how it works out for you .

Though I don't believe ANYTHING that ANYONE says, unless I can verify it, they have proven to be MUCH MORE credible than you have.

We thinking people have other plans

I've not seen any evidence that you are qualified to speak for "thinking people". Would you care to provide some?

See ya,
Milt