Chinese Scientist Proves The First Inhabitants Of China Were Black

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These skulls turned out to be homo erectus and not homo sapien.



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This article pretty much lays out the weakness of alternate models.

From the article:
"This theory is now highly discredited by many scholars due to the lack of supporting evidence. It was once thought that the fossil records from Australia and Asia could be understood as showing evidence for such regional continuity. The facial structure of the Dali cranium from China, for example, appears to be modern in its proportions. The cheek bones are highly delicate. For a proponent of the multi-regionalist theory, this indicates an intermediate stage between earlier archaic hominids (i.e. Homo erectus found at sites such as Lantian, China) and later Holocene populations living after 10,000 BC. However, the conditions of these fossil materials were poorly preserved and, in the case of the Dali cranium, highly mutilated through post-depositional weight loading. There are also no fossil materials dating from between 100,000 and 30,000 BC – this gap undermines the multi-regional hypothesis as it indicates a lack of any modern Chinese anatomical features from before 100,000 years ago (Pettitt, P 2009b:130).

The strong anatomical basis of the multi-regional hypothesis is a weakness of the theory. Chris Stringer highlights this, suggesting that the physical features used to support the regional continuity (i.e. flatness of the frontal bone and the constriction of the skull behind the orbital area) are not only found in specific regions such as Asia, but all around the world. This suggests that these physical features are in fact general Homo characteristics and cannot therefore be used in support of the multi-regionalist view "


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Refer to the weakness outline above

reply to post by tadaman

It is interesting you mention Australian aboriginals ....did you knkw that they are the closest link to Neanderthal alive today?

Denisovans (spelling), not Neanderthals, if tyou want to make that case. They were the prehumans in the area.

Also, which aboriginals. There aren't so many primitive type people left in Australia. What we have are mostly fairly recent arrivals, at least to the North and in the deserts. The coastal living aboriginals fared badly and they were considered savages to the first settlers who weren't restricted by PC.

Treating the land as grand mother makes perfect sense to me and I'm not surprised it was how we all used to see the world, all indigenous people share that. It makes sense and is something we need to embrace. Gia lives :-)

I have read accounts opf the first wars and the end of natural people, many 1000's of years ago. Some people consider the lack of town, ever, in Australia as a matter of geography, lack of farmible grains and animals. Apparently they never had a chance.

That said, the people that came some 30,000 years ago were diverse. They were not from the same root stock, as it were and it's hard to make carpet statements about them.

Regards PC. I don't have better definitions and i definately don't judge people based on how modern they acct, or look etc. I just don't care.

Okay class repeat after me 3 times..there is no biologically distinct entities in the human family called races.
Race is a social construct.
Black does not=race=Africans south of the Sahara.
White does not=race=Eurasians.
various Black, Brown and Creamy colored folks does not =race=Eurasians and North and south America before European contact era.

Local development according to environments including diet can cause changes in phenotype,height and color.

Nina Jablonski explains pls watch.

Now as anyone who read my threads knows I am a promoter of African history and culture (been labeled a racist Afro-centrist for doing just that.) as it is the world most misunderstood continent,say Africa and all kinds of images pop into people's heads,war,poverty,squalor a place lacking development because they never had any,their descendants in North America lag behind because of some African gene these qualities one would rather not have in their genetic make-up better to have a tiny amount of Neanderthal genetic stuff (nothing against those poor Neanderthals) to make one feel special than be connected to that continent btw this is not limited to non Africans but to some folks of direct African decent.

Confusion arise because most folks do not travel and all they have is whatever images the media placed in-front of them, seeing a Black with certain phenotype in areas out side Africa will lead people into all kinds of assumptions,first one is they are Africans,two they got there because of some slave trade,both cases can be true to a certain extent but not all the time,what is not taken into account by many is that they developed where they are .

Most phenotype seen around the world can be found in Africa including lite-skinned slewed eyed folks,they have the tallest folks and the shortest,thin nosed and broad nosed,slander folks and heavy built folks even freckled faced folks see Ibos of Nigeria all because of local evolution.

Spider879
Okay class repeat after me 3 times..there is no biologically distinct entities in the human family called races.
Race is a social construct.
Black does not=race=Africans south of the Sahara.
White does not=race=Eurasians.
various Black, Brown and Creamy colored folks does not =race=Eurasians and North and south America before European contact era.

Race is a biological construct. Saying otherwise is the same thing as saying the differences between a Chihuahua and A St. Bernard are a social construct. The sooner we can recognize and acknowledge the differences between us races, the sooner we can better understand one another. And boy, that will make a large difference overall, for the better. It is hard to get along or understand something/someone when you are fed lies about them.

reply to post by kimish

Race is a biological construct. Saying otherwise is the same thing as saying the differences between a Chihuahua and A St. Bernard are a social construct. The sooner we can recognize and acknowledge the differences between us races, the sooner we can better understand one another. And boy, that will make a large difference overall, for the better. It is hard to get along or understand something/someone when you are fed lies about them.

Kimish ma good man that's where you are wrong, we are not two species of dogs Chihuahua and A St. Bernard or cats for that matter we are a heck of a lot closer than two Chimp communities, is it even possible to breed a Chihuahua and A St. Bernard?? what makes us different is not a fact of being biologically distintic species but where we lived for extended periods of time see the vid above, 150kys ago some of us began to trek out of Africa we carry within in ourselves the ability to adapt to local conditions where ever we stopped for long periods of time,this adaptability was formed in Africa itself even before some leave Africa to become non Africans geographically.

Then there is the question of genetic mixing it is quite possible that you Kimish may carry some relatively recent African,Native America or Asian mix in your back ground the further one goes back in time the more likely that would be the case given the amount of ancestors have.

This is a fellow from Anglo Saxon England if he was lucky to get a local girl and have kids one of those could very well be your distant ancestors,the flip side to this story is Cameroonians and Chadians carries significant Rs in their genetic make-up Rs are typically of West Eurasian ancestry are they a different "RACE" from their neighbors who might be Es.

Upton33
reply to post by purplemer

 

Let me tell you why the idea that first inhabitants of China being black is bull.

Africa is located too far from the pacific.

Black civilization are more tribal, and artifacts are not their to prove it.

Over 90% of the race in China is Han Chinese.

Don't believe every thing you hear on the interwebs.

edit on 21-9-2013 by Upton33 because: .

Why does Africa have to be the origin of all people with black skin? You have proof of this? Kinda ignorant to think that just because they are black then thats where they came from. Heck they could have started elsewhere and migrated to Africa.

Have you never seen black Pacific Islanders? Or black Indians (India)? Black is a skin color, it's not a race. For all we know this could be a lost civilization that got wiped out by an illness or natural disaster.

Pretty cool story. A lot of people are not going to like it though because it goes against thd grain from what they were taught.

Surprise! History has been tainted by those who "think" they know best. Just one reason why "experts" hate "amateurs"; because "amateurs" have had a long history of proving that the "experts" were wrong.

Upton33
reply to post by purplemer

 

Let me tell you why the idea that first inhabitants of China being black is bull.

Africa is located too far from the pacific.

Black civilization are more tribal, and artifacts are not their to prove it.


Over 90% of the race in China is Han Chinese.

Don't believe every thing you hear on the interwebs.

edit on 21-9-2013 by Upton33 because: .

"Black civilization" developed the same way any other civilization developed there is a core population then it take on other ethnic or tribal groups into their fold much like the English, one of those tribal group was in constant rebellion namely the Irish against their English overlords.
Some Africans on the coast built boats and travel to the pacific and the Chinese and others travel to Africa and yes we have the artifacts to prove it.

reply to post by tadaman


Yes another scientist with "Proof".

As you state, it is most probable, the the People we know as "Africans" today are quite different from those of 100,000 years ago.

It has been fairly well established by, DNA sequencing etc, that the oldest human "type" in Africa, is the Bushman of the Kalahari.
It is also well established, that the oldest human "Type" outside of Africa, is the Australia Native (of which there were 500 tribes and 500 separate languages...I wont list them all.) .

Thru further DNA testing, it has been established that the current (as in 50,000+ years) peoples have traces of both Neanderthal And Denisovan dna, which means they interacted with both groups prior to reaching Australia...so it would be these people who were in the Chinese area first, not pure blood Africans.
Note that the Anu people of Japan are thought to have ancient links with the Australian groups as well.

www.australasianscience.com.au...
No doubt that Africa is a continent of diverse human habitation, with about the only similarity is dark skin....Confusingly the Oldest tribe, as we are told, the Bushman are more dark brown than some of the pure black fellas out there.

With Neanderthal, Denisovan, Australian Aboriginal, all being more "Ancient" Humans than Modern "Negroes", could it be possible that these ancestors of early Homos, actually returned to Africa from the North, and interbred with whoever was left down there? Particularly as the ice age expanded and Europe became too cold for many and those grumpy Neanderthals?.

We really will never know, but its fun guessing.

reply to post by Spider879


I know I have to have some black in me, from the waist down

You bring up some thought provoking arguments, yet again. Danke

We might be more closely related than some of us would like to believe.

Think of a really black, black man, I mean like purple-black (Ugandan?).

Ask him to hold out his hands, turn them over and...

The palms are white.

What explains that?

There's a bit of good in all of us.

Everyone has some genetic input from Africa is true but to say all the races on the planet come from black people is not correct. The common ancestor of all humans is supposedly Lucy, an Australopithecus originating in Africa, yes not even a homosapien. It would seam however that afrocentrists feel a deep and close bond with Lucy and call her a "black person" hence their insistence that all humans come from them (black people).

Here is what scientists think Lucy looked like, as you can see very ape like with a low sloped back forehead so small frontal brain meant she probably had the intelligence of a grapefruit!

Her eye colour and facial features are interesting tho

reply to post by CJCrawley


That wasn't cool.

Wow everyone on the skin color. I know were all better than that.

Plus, dark skin protects the body from radiation.

reply to post by LUXUS


Mummy!! Dad!!!

Cheers dude never seen a pic of my folks before

I've tried to stay out of this conversation, but I've got to chime in.

There is an abundance of genetic evidence that shows the current OOAf has missed the mark on human dispersal.

First off the populations that have the highest percentage of Neanderthal DNA is native north Americans, followed by east asians.
The highest percentage of denisovan DNA is in melanesia followed by papuans and native south Americans.
In response to the poster who linked aboriginal Aussies to Neanderthal, that is off the mark if anything the earliest people in austrailia were in fact African derived, mungo man's most recent common ancestor was in Africa more than 125,000 years ago, but mungo man did not contribute any dna to modern aboriginal populations, the next wave of people into austrailia were likely denisovan derived, as are the other people of Oceana.
Like I said earlier the newest genetics studies are showing that the modern human/Neanderthal/denisovan split is so far back that a strictly out of Africa model is in error.
What the researchers in the op have found is signs of recent admixture within Asian populations, or the gene set they reference actually shows Eurasian/east asian admixture into ancient Africa.
After all there are two things that throw a wrench into the recent African dispersal model, the epithicantic fold and click languages, both of which are found in what is supposed to be the basal populations of the san.
Of all African populations only one has the epithicantic eye fold, that is found among Asian populationd, the san, and if SE African populations are basal then why are there no other click languages outside of Africa. One would expect that if a population founded all other world populations the aspects of that population would spread with them.
Specifically speaking of the op, the linked article mentions the the negritos of SE Asia, one problem with that part of the theory is that the negritos are recent arrivals in SE Asia, within the last 10k years.

reply to post by punkinworks10

Of all African populations only one has the epithicantic eye fold, that is found among Asian populationd, the san, and if SE African populations are basal then why are there no other click languages outside of Africa. One would expect that if a population founded all other world populations the aspects of that population would spread with them.
Specifically speaking of the op, the linked article mentions the the negritos of SE Asia, one problem with that part of the theory is that the negritos are recent arrivals in SE Asia, within the last 10k years.

Why should there be kliks in languages that is probably dead for x thousands of yrs in vastly different environment by moderns, we would by that measure expect to find words explaining woolly Mammoth and giant man eating birds and the like, however I had read a book a long time ago that the kliks by the Khoisan folks was an imitation on the sound baboons made and that there used to be some ancient symbiotic relationship with that animal,sorry I can't give a title or even an author.. I donno this is a guess maybe some body knows what the heck I am talking about Signs and Symbols Of Primordial Man by Albert Churchward??.. totally forgot and my personal library is in NYC

LUXUS
Everyone has some genetic input from Africa is true but to say all the races on the planet come from black people is not correct. The common ancestor of all humans is supposedly Lucy, an Australopithecus originating in Africa, yes not even a homosapien. It would seam however that afrocentrists feel a deep and close bond with Lucy and call her a "black person" hence their insistence that all humans come from them (black people).

Here is what scientists think Lucy looked like, as you can see very ape like with a low sloped back forehead so small frontal brain meant she probably had the intelligence of a grapefruit!

Her eye colour and facial features are interesting tho

edit on 24-9-2013 by LUXUS because: (no reason given)

Errr Mr Spock Lucy was not us!!.. modern us is vastly different from her, sometime ago I gave you a good vid to watch
But being the super intellect you are you didn't bother checking it out I would provide text but what the heck!! you would most likely put that on ignore also and make up the most non-intelligent comment based on pure bullshiit from the dimmest corners of your mind.

Being embarrassed of your ancestors can cause you to look for your history elsewhere, in distant lands and even to deny that you are related to them, instead you are descended from the Ancient Egyptians, the Israelites, the Mayans, Aztecs or whatever brings you away from identifying with tribal Africa.

LUXUS

Being embarrassed of your ancestors can cause you to look for your history elsewhere, in distant lands and even to deny that you are related to them, instead you are descended from the Ancient Egyptians, the Israelites, the Mayans, Aztecs or whatever brings you away from identifying with tribal Africa.

Lemme see the plate lipped females are African the Mursi people of Ethiopia the guys with the nose thingy are not, they are Black Asians/Pacific islanders, not sure of blue faced guy and I can't make out what is happening at the bottom, in any case they would be considered avantgarde in the Village in NYC or Williams Burg Brooklyn parts of L.A and San Francisco ever seen extreme body piercing and tatooing?? ...no one will notice them but for a quick second but to answer your statement no! I am embarrassed not for them!! but for you..

reply to post by LUXUS


This whole thread has went to a very sad place. Im embarrassed to be in the same species. Color of a mans skin means nothing its whats in the hearts that count and i see several people here who have a lot to learn. I hope one day humanity will learn to work together instead of trying so damn hard to separate ourselves.