Revelation : The whores name explained

reply to post by LittleByLittle

There is nothing wrong with people getting what they have worked for, but when you go over the line and create unsymbiotic relationship with others and overvalue yourself to a higher degree that it becomes parasitic instead of symbiotic then you have fallen of the path.

Nothing wrong with enjoying the fruits of your labor.

But when you realize you are enslaved to a system designed to drain you of your hard earned money, so as to make some body else rich... its a different matter.

FlyersFan

Nostrenominon
just because there are some truths mixed up with mistruths in the Bible, doesn't mean everything should be taken literally.

Like Revelation (which this thread is based on). Some symbology of the Old Testament, along with stories about Jesus, found it's way into the dreams of someone who was well versed in Old Testament and Jesus stories.

Revelation is in the bible, but it wasn't even accepted by the Church until the 500s. Many of the church fathers and early theologians thought it was just bunk. No one knows what it is or what it means .. or even if it means anything at all. When it was written, the author was a very old man. He was living in exile under very stressful conditions. No doubt he had a bad diet ... bad health ... and very possibly dementia. His life of intense religious ideas came through in the dementia driven dreams.

Revelations MAY BE revelations ... but more likely they aren't anything more than pious angst filled dreams of an older man nearing death. They are probably meaningless.

It can be that if you look at revelations symbolically it can refer to the 7 energy centers in the body that regulate energy that different religions and mystical traditions try to manipulate to learn more of what "truelly is" separated from the idol you believe it is. Platos cave come to mind. To unlearn what you have been told to fill the cup(mind) with concentrated reality and intuition to find what you need at every moment. Why play by rules created by humans when you can cheat and be guided directly instead. Why listen to humans when you can get it from the source directly.

reply to post by Deetermined

The people who refuse to worship the anti-Christ will need to hide or risk losing their life. Unless they are prepared to live off of some remote land without buying or selling, they won't be hidden that easily. So, the atheists will have only a few choices, just like anyone else. Either hide and risk being killed, be killed, or fake worshiping the anti-Christ and receive the mark in order to preserve your life and live within the earthly system. Some may choose to preserve their lives and follow along and some may choose to be killed just to escape the rat trap on earth. So, like anyone else, depending on how important their life here on earth is to them, will most likely determine which way they decide.

The anti-Christ will arrive and will gather to himself the godless and the mockers of God.

The atheists believe life ends upon death. They won't think deep enough as to factor in the afterlife, that they don't believe in.

The silent ones among them may however - God willing - undergo a time of reflection and soul searching.

Deetermined
reply to post by Deetermined

 

I'm going to go a step further and point out that the whore has "Babylon" written on her forehead, just like Jesus said that once we get to Heaven, we'll have the name of God AND the name of His city written on us.

Revelation 3:11-12

11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Are you meaning or refering to the sealed Ones in 11 and 12?

reply to post by LittleByLittle

Why play by rules created by humans when you can cheat and be guided directly instead. Why listen to humans when you can get it from the source directly.

Because you're not capable of getting it from the source directly, the closest you're going to get is through a bunch of lying spirits who would love nothing more than to convince you that the Bible is a lie. Revelation lays out the dimensions of the new Jerusalem. I don't see how you can take that as symbolism for 7 Chakras or anything else.

Beavers

Nostrenominon

I'm sure it does "TDawg". Like I said, just because there are some truths mixed up with mistruths in the Bible, doesn't mean everything should be taken literally.

was there any reason to attempt to be-little this user based on his name?

you've just made yourself look like a bit of a dick (imho) and I now have no interest in your perspective on this matter.

OP, this is the best interpretation of the WOB I've ever heard, S&F for you

No one cares about your interest in my perspective, I wasn't replying to you in the first place.

The entire Bible is garbage. Badly mangled and borrowed garbage. The best interpretation of garbage is like getting a gold medal in the special olympics, you're still retarded.

reply to post by Nostrenominon

No one cares about your interest in my perspective,

The entire Bible is garbage.

And theists don't care about the opinions of an atheist, as far as religious matters are concerned... at least, in this part of ATS - which I'm told - is meant for theological discussion.

Do you have something to contribute (beside what you think of religious document) as far as the OPs subject matter is concerned? No? Then don't waste your time.

Good post OP .. I think that mystery babylon would have to be the three city states we have now with Vatican being the religious part while the city of London is the financial head quarters and the district of columbia making the military arm and completing the triunion .It will eventually be moved to Israel where the final scene will be played out .and Jerusalem being the capital.. That is just my opinion ..peace

UnaChispa
reply to post by Nostrenominon

 

Immaculate Conception: I'm not Catholic. I don't believe that Mary was without original sin. I don't know of any other stories about someone without original sin (other than Jesus).

Crucifixion: I don't know what you mean by this. Other people were crucified because that was common practice among the Greeks, then adopted by the Romans.

Resurrection:

Dr. Alister McGrath, Professor of Historical Theology at Oxford University, says, “Parallels between the pagan myths of dying and rising gods and the New Testament accounts of the resurrection of Jesus are now regarded as remote, to say the least...If anyone borrowed any ideas from anyone, it seems it was the gnostics who took up Christian ideas." (Intellectuals Don't Need God and Other Modern Myths, 1993, p. 121).

Born on winter solstice: It is widely accepted that Jesus was not born during the winter months. We don't claim Jesus was born in December. That is an objection, by someone who is clearly unfamiliar with the Bible.

Do unto others: I don't know what you mean by this.

Baptism: If applying water was done to people in the form of religious obedience before John the Baptist, that does not discredit the Christian ordinance. If people were praying to their Gods by bowing their heads while on their knees in ancient times, that doesn't discredit the Christian practice.

12 Apostles: Haven't you heard of the 12 tribes of Israel? The 12 were chosen by Jesus to represent the 12 tribes of Israel. The 12 tribes date back to the time of Jacob.

Mithra etc:

We do know that Mithraism, like its mystery competitors, had a basic myth. Mithra was supposedly born when he emerged from a rock; he was carrying a knife and torch and wearing a Phrygian cap. He battled first with the sun and then with a primeval bull, thought to be the first act of creation. Mithra slew the bull, which then became the ground of life for the human race. [Nash, 144]
Christianity affirms the physical death and bodily resurrection of Christ. Mithraism, like other pagan religions, has no bodily resurrection. The Greek writer Aeschylus sums up the Greek view, “When the earth has drunk up a man’s blood, once he is dead, there is no resurrection.” He uses the same Greek word for “resurrection,” anastasis, that Paul uses in 1 Corinthians 15 (Aeschylus, Eumenides, 647). Nash notes:

Allegations of an early Christian dependence on Mithraism have been rejected on many grounds. Mithraism had no concept of the death and resurrection of its god and no place for any concept of rebirth—at least during its early stages.... During the early stages of the cult, the notion of rebirth would have been foreign to its basic outlook.... Moreover, Mithraism was basically a military cult. Therefore, one must be skeptical about suggestions that it appealed to nonmilitary people like the early Christians. [ibid.]

You will be able to come up with sources linking similarities with Jesus and Mithra, etc.

Joshua: So what? Jesus and Joshua were common names back then.

You are the one with biased research. You don't want to believe in Jesus because that would change your life.

Sorry to go off topic, OP.

Someone tried using that BS on me in the past and it didn't work. Whether or not Mithra's death and resurrection were physical or not does not matter at all. It is the principle, the pure concept of resurrection, whether it be spiritual resurrection or physical, that Christianity stole from previous religions.

Actually, I noticed that you ignored 90% of my other references such as Dionysus, Horus, and Krisha. Also Isis, Osiris, and Anubis were the original "holy trinity" that Christianity also "borrowed".

Horus was born from a virgin, baptised, betrayed, crucified, and 3 days later resurrected.
He was also said to have been born on the Winter Solstice.

You can apply the whole previous sentence to several other figures in history, including all of the remaining ones I named, except for the trinity of Isis, Anubis, and Osiris, which represents birth, death, and rebirth.

All of Christianity was taken from Egyptology. There are absolutely no new concepts within Christianity. Literally everything about the entire religion is a rehashed version of a tale from thousands of years before Judaism.

Your sources are extremely biased and quite prevential. For a "scholar" to deny that the concept of Mithra's resurrection is completely incomparable to Jesus's supposed physical resurrection is laughable at best.

So is your pathetic attempt to discourage me from the truth. I don't believe Jesus is real because there is no evidence of him existing besides the Bible, or the old testament I should say, which would include the Quran and Kabbalah an so forth.

sk0rpi0n
reply to post by Nostrenominon

 

No one cares about your interest in my perspective,

The entire Bible is garbage.

And theists don't care about the opinions of an atheist, as far as religious matters are concerned... at least, in this part of ATS - which I'm told - is meant for theological discussion.

Do you have something to contribute (beside what you think of religious document) as far as the OPs subject matter is concerned? No? Then don't waste your time.

edit on 19-9-2013 by sk0rpi0n because: (no reason given)

Yes in fact, I don't believe the Bible was referring to economics when talking about the "whore". I believe it is simply symbolism for our lower desires, and how kings of countries alike take part in greed and lust for power, which originates from our lower sexual chakra.

In Edgar Cayce's interpretation of Revelations, he says that the beast that rises from the sea is a metaphor for the lower desires that arise from the depths of our bodies. The chaotic sexual chakra at the base of our spine, once it reigns as king then all desires of the flesh and greed for power and lust take over. There is no intelligent direction for these energies down there, so when they have the most power, the beast that rises destroys us.

reply to post by Nostrenominon


I meant to say you will NOT be able to link sources re: Jesus & Mithra.

I don't understand why you are in this forum.

reply to post by Nostrenominon

Yes in fact, I don't believe the Bible was referring to economics when talking about the "whore". I believe it is simply symbolism for our lower desires, and how kings of countries alike take part in greed and lust for power, which originates from our lower sexual chakra.

Kings of countries (governments, presidents, prime ministers) taking part in greed and lust for power is not too far from the subject matter of the OP.

This is mainly an eschatological subject and raises the following points (from the Bible)
- merchants being labelled as the "great men" of the earth
- merchants getting rich off the "whore" while nations are being deceived
- merchants mourning over the "whore" when she is destroyed

If you believe "sexual chakras" can explain these things away, go ahead!

But IF I am right and when these things come to pass, have the decency to acknowledge that those you disagreed with were right.

sk0rpi0n
reply to post by Nostrenominon

 

Yes in fact, I don't believe the Bible was referring to economics when talking about the "whore". I believe it is simply symbolism for our lower desires, and how kings of countries alike take part in greed and lust for power, which originates from our lower sexual chakra.

Kings of countries (governments, presidents, prime ministers) taking part in greed and lust for power is not too far from the subject matter of the OP.

This is mainly an eschatological subject and raises the following points (from the Bible)
- merchants being labelled as the "great men" of the earth
- merchants getting rich off the "whore" while nations are being deceived
- merchants mourning over the "whore" when she is destroyed

If you believe "sexual chakras" can explain these things away, go ahead!

But IF I am right and when these things come to pass, have the decency to acknowledge that those you disagreed with were right.

It'll never happen. So I won't. Economics is an effect of lust and greed for power. My explanation goes deeper into the source of the whore. When what things come to pass? What are you talking about?

sk0rpi0n
(If I say something that is right, then God has inspired me. If I say something that is wrong, then it is my own mistake.)

So are things good because God inspire them, or God chose to inspire ONLY good things?

And how does God value is thing good or bad?

Maybe source for good after all is not from God, then where it is?

In thee have they taken gifts to shed blood; thou hast taken usury and increase, and thou hast greedily gained of thy neighbours by extortion, and hast forgotten me, saith the Lord GOD.

Behold, therefore I have smitten mine hand at thy dishonest gain which thou hast made, and at thy blood which hath been in the midst of thee. Can thine heart endure, or can thine hands be strong, in the days that I shall deal with thee? I the LORD have spoken it, and will do it. And I will scatter thee among the heathen, and disperse thee in the countries, and will consume thy filthiness out of thee.

Ezekiel 22: 12 - 15

Sounds like some real wrath of God stuff
coming down the pipe.

Mike

Who is going to be the instrument
that overturns the tables of the money changers,
chargers of interest and usury,
sapping the wealth of peoples, nations, tribes, and toungs.

He that by usury and unjust gain increaseth his substance, he shall gather it for him that will pity the poor.

Proverbs 28:8

All the forces of world domination
are gathering up everything, but
they have no idea who is going to
be in charge in the end.

Sweet deal.

Mike

Too bad the whole revelations isn't prophetic because it's history.

It's easy to point out similarities in just about anything and the revelations is the most overused text in the bible to be put in context in the contemporary. People have been comparing the revelations to what's happening in the world for more than 1000 years now and nothing has come to past.

A warning, history yes.
God's decree, prophetic no.

Although, I really do like the analogy done in the OP for the whore of babylon.
Nicely thought.

So what revenge is in store,
where is all this going?

Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.

Revelations 18:6

I think there are some who are
really going to regret interest
rates that got as high as 37%.

At double damage that means
they will have to settle accounts
at 74%.

Good times.

Mike

Nostrenominon
reply to post by sk0rpi0n

 

Nothing about history can be accurately ascertained from the Bible. Sorry. There are just way too many ideas and analogies stolen from previous religions and cultures, and jumbled up out of order into a completely new "story". I have a hard time applying anything in the Bible to literal history, even if it might be true.
Why? Because the Bible is like a cup of water. There might be truths and mistruths within it, and dirt in the water represent these mistruths. But just because most of the water might be clean, would you still drink it if it was mixed with drops of mud? What if it was 50% mud? What if it was 99% mud? Bottom line, you can't mix poison with water and expect not to get sick.

I do believe that Daniels 70 week’s prophecy foretold of the very day that Christ would enter Jerusalem. It was translated into Greek prior to 270 B.C. So there is historical evidence that it was not written after Jesus entered Jerusalem. So your claim is baseless.

reply to post by sk0rpi0n


Which means the good ole U.S of A is the new Babylon.

Nice post, I'll star and flag it for sure.