Who Are These People And What Are They Doing?

reply to post by 1104light

ATTENTION 1104light - they are not destroying or eradicating them, they are guarding and protecting their harvest and are funneling elicit profits into the coffers of dark shadow government operatives/operations.

Nice try at a deflection, but it didn't work. Hope you don't get paid for posting.

According to this article published as a service of the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs dated Aug. 2, 2004;

www.irinnews.org...

The cultivation of opium poppy is illegal in Afghanistan. Its cultivation, processing and trafficking is outlawed by the new constitution and contravenes international law. Although this may mean little to many Afghans at present, it will increasingly cause them to come into conflict with the authorities as the rule of law begins to take root. The recent UNODC survey indicated that more than 95 percent of farmers knew poppy cultivation was illegal; a fact many had only recently learnt from radio broadcasts.

This is from a State Department document that is undated, but online and numbered.

www.state.gov...

Myth No. 3: Legalizing poppy for licit medical use (morphine) would solve the drug problem in Afghanistan.

There is no legitimate world demand for legal Afghan opium, as the current supply of licit opiate raw materials already exceeds world demand. Using Afghan poppy for legal opiates is neither a feasible nor desirable solution.

NewAgeMan
reply to post by 1104light

 

ATTENTION 1104light - they are not destroying or eradicating them, they are guarding and protecting their harvest and are funneling elicit profits into the coffers of dark shadow government operatives/operations.

Nice try at a deflection, but it didn't work. Hope you don't get paid for posting.

I never suggested they were doing anything other than guarding and protecting them. Can you even read my posts? Your response says no.

reply to post by speculativeoptimist


Interesting point you make about how the Taliban tried to curb use of poppies. I'm sure it is not very halal. It was my opinion when the Prez increased troops to Afghanistan(instead of just getting them out like he said he would) that there must be a reason why a man who ran on ending the war would do that. I considered the possibility of it having to do with the drug trade in some way. Consider this point as well, I was just told that people in another country of Arab Spring fame are drinking a lot because of depression and uncertainty in their future. I asked, isn't drinking considered haram, and the person answered yes but that people are depressed and are doing it anyway.
This is what happens when a region becomes unstable.
Remember in Russia when communism was in full swing, there was a lot of drinking.

reply to post by Corruption Exposed


I suppose we can only speculate.

I find it difficult to believe they would appoint western foot soldiers to play bodyguards.

It just opens up the possibilities that there will he more leaks. it just does not seem practical?

They would much rather have a high ranking official steer troops away from certain locations.

CrisMajor
reply to post by Corruption Exposed

 

You ever consider there might be more factions than just "america" at play here?
I woud bet money on it.

I wouldn't bet money, but I agree with you. Remember people were talking about Pipelineistan in the Bush years, and how Russia wanted control of that? People tend to jump to a conclusion that America is just evil bad guys, but they forget that Russia used to have more power during the Cold War.

reply to post by Cancerwarrior


I agree with you also. Our soldiers can not be blamed when they sign up to defend their country against foreign enemies and they have to go where they are told or be punished.

reply to post by Corruption Exposed


You asked and I shall share what I see, personal thoughts only.
I see a perpetual source of income that will support perpetual wars.
More than likely split 90/10 in favour of the US government and especially the CIA.


S&F
Regards, Iwinder

reply to post by usmc0311


Heroin in the USA doesn't come from the middle east. It comes from Central and South America.

reply to post by HooHaa


The Taliban forbid opium fields so that people they ruthlessly lorded over couldn't make money.

Drug use incline in the USA was more than likely related to the state of the economy post 9/11. People don't always find a way to pay rent, but they sure find ways to pay for drugs.

raymundoko
reply to post by usmc0311

 

Heroin in the USA doesn't come from the middle east. It comes from Central and South America.

And just think about all those wasted empty transport planes flying half way around the world! I would not bet the farm on your above statement.

None the less, food for thought on this thread.

Regards, Iwinder

reply to post by Sacri


Really? 95% of the worlds heroin comes from Afghanistan??? You know Afghanistan produces only slightly more poppy than Burma right? The Golden Triangle produces far more opium poppy than Afghanistan ever will.

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The majority of the heroin consumed in the United States comes from Mexico and Colombia

Pinkorchid
reply to post by Corruption Exposed

 

You are spot on , they are scraping the poppy bulbs so that the sap , which is what they make the drugs with will ooze out for collection.

This is not a field being prepared for destruction and they are being protected by soldiers of which type , I'm not sure , perhaps someone else can confirm that.

U.S. Armed forces no longer destroy crops, of any kind, in afgan. This is now solely on the afgan military and police. We are no longer even actively looking for bad guys. We return fire and attack from behing afgan forces. We now back them up and of course defend ourselves.

We are in get the hell out mode. Anyone tells you any different, well, I don't know why they would tell you that. Boots on the ground are mixed about the whole thing. Some say what the hell let's just leave now then.... others actually want to do more to help the people they have grown fond of and have sweat and lost blood for.

It is another one of those leave the job unfinished wars. Look at Iraq... yea we got rid of sadam, bla bla bla, but look at it now.... it too is really in a civil war just nobody wants to admit it or talk about it. that and the fact it has become a puppet state of Iran now. All we tried to do for naught.

Egypt, despite the great spring, is also now worse off than before. It is a region that needs help... the people just really have no idea how to govern or help themselves. You have complete generations who do not know what freedom or liberty is. They don't know what human rights or freedom of speech really is. They want to, they want to find their way. Every time they get close they get kicked back down.

It is really sad and kinda makes you believe that maybe there is something to all the prophesies. It seems to be the only explanation why this region can not free itself. That and it happens to be where the only real repressive religion is located. I don't say that lightly. But when so few fanatics can control so many of an other wise peaceful religion, well something is wrong there. That is why I think there really must be something to the end time prophesies and the middle east.

Really can't see any other explanation....

the bot

reply to post by raymundoko


OMG! They aint gonna fool you!



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openyourmind1262
reply to post by Indigo5

 

You keep right on thinking that. Just what Gove and MSM want you tp think. The farmers were willing to grow saffron which by the ounce is more profitable than opium. But No, the USA comes along and rebuilds the opiuim industry.

Whatever.....I know people that stood in the poppy fields...that spoke with the farmers.....you are nothing other than a BSer and propagandist.....

And I thought Walter White had the corner on the illicit drug trade. Our own CIA puts Walter to shame. (BTW, I miss Gus)

Em2013

1104light
WHAT ARE YOU ALL MISSING??????

Real politicians that act according to what "we the people" really want.

What? What is it that we the people want in the context of this thread that I am missing?

It was explained to me that Afghan peasants are good at only 2 things. Growing opium poppies and building bombs. For he safety of our solders we keep them growing poppies.

Opium usage dates back to the dawn of man. Poppies were found in the burial chambers in the valley of kings and etched into the primitive stone walls at Hamoukar a thousand years before the pyramids were constructed.

One year I decided to grow some Opium (Papaver somniferum)on some of my land and it's insane how easy it is. I the late fall you mix the seed with some sand and you sling it out in a field-and that is it.

When the poppies matured the next May and I milked them but I did it wrong-it takes some skill and a very steady hand holding a very sharp knife-What got me is how little comes out of each pod. And the Afghans have been choosing the best pods for next years crop for thousands of years so there strains are hundreds of times stronger that what you can buy. It would have taken a thousand pods just to fill a thimble.

Besides today's narcotics are synthetic and need very little of the original alkaloid.

reply to post by Corruption Exposed


Hmm, interesting. The video speaks for itself.

However, your comment that the "Taliban" had the poppies in check, is, I believe, bogus. That was their funding source as well.

The ABC video makes more "sense" , at least as an explanation, if not in reality.

If we can pay farmers NOT to grow wheat, why not pay them not to grow poppies?

I believe the term is "silver or lead"....It works in South America to some extent. Next is spinning this into a conspiracy to invade/war on terror, is an amazing stretch.

Lets see, we'll blow up the trade centers, hit the Pentagon so that we can invade and therefore, control poppies and secure pipeline routes in Afghanistan...even a science-fiction publisher wouldn't touch that scenario....