Active Shooter at Washington Navy Yard, Reports of Multiple People Shot

reply to post by paradoxstyle


The truth from me is I simply don't know. Aside from knowing one of the victims personally, I'm just sitting here on the other side of midnight calling it as I see it from the sidelines.

Cheers!

reply to post by ikonoklast


So I guess that blows the shooting his way in and stealing a cops guns out of the water....... Liars.......
Glad that guy had the balls to stand up for the truth.

reply to post by TKDRL


Yes, it at least means:

• No one shot the one security guard to get in.
  
  
• The security guard was not shot until after the alleged lone shooter had already left the 4th floor (where the shooter had allegedly shot the people in the atrium) and was down to at least 2nd floor, possibly 1st floor.
  
  
• The security guard still had his weapon (presumably the 9mm handgun that previous reports said might have been stolen by the shooter) at this time.
  
  
• There had not been fire between the police and the alleged shooter until after this, so it is presumably unlikely that he had disarmed and stolen a weapon from the Navy Yard police at least at that time.
  
  
• The Washington DC Metropolitan Police were apparently not yet inside the building so the alleged shooter could not have stolen and used one of their weapons at least at that time.
  
  
• All of the shooting from the 4th floor into the atrium and any shooting by the alleged shooter on the 3rd or 4th floors had already taken place at that time, unless he went back up after coming down and engaging the security guard and the Navy Yard police.
  

Based on this WUSA9 TV interview with Navy Yard police.

I am curious if anybody has checked to see if he is a ELF programmer and hacker? ELF hacking is tied to many different operating systems,play stations, and even cell phones. ELF Viruses are feed into many systems including UNIX Linux Apple Play Stations through script. ELF is used for jail breaking cell phones and so on. Could he have been a hacker for the government and been caught doing some thing he was not supposed to be doing at the Navy base? That Navy base is used as a Liaison office for the Navy for Washington DC visits. The company The Experts Inc has a contract to do work for SOCOM Special Forces all over the world.

How about ELF hacking at the Black Hat Conference?
thehackernews.com...

And it is funny how Iran is working with hackers from India to expose how ELF infects systems across platforms. And how easy it is to hide.

So is that why he had My ELF Weapon carved in his shot gun?

ELF hacking of PS2
[Technical Discussion] PS2 Classic cheating via ELF hacking
www.ps3hax.net...

So is this why he liked playing and talking on his video game system? Was he honing his hacking skills and not just his shooting/game skills?

And the media derailing and so on has been crazy. They say he was crazy because he heard voices. Yes he heard vices and noises coming from his ceiling where he had a noisy neighbor and shot a hole through the floor and ceiling of the building. He also stayed in hotels and motels where he complained about noise from neighboring rooms. He had a violent history from wanting silence around him where you know you will never have it. Hotels Motels and multistory apartment complexes. And it has now came out he has never had mental health care.

VA: Aaron Alexis never sought mental health treatment
www.nbcnews.com...

That is more propaganda. And how about the cover ups in his past of the gun use? Did they want there hacker to keep working so the squashed the charges?

And just think about this. Since Snowden leaks happened. People like Alexis were not allowed to gain system administrator access with out a second person present. Did he do something he was not supposed to be doing and a gun fight started? He then tried to escape by running down stairs but was stopped by guards who he shot and took the gun from then ran back upstairs and fired from the balcony. He tried to leave without being caught. And he used some one elses ID to get in. They would of had no evidence he was in the building except for video. How much did he look like the other guy on the ID? Would it have been a good cover up on his crime of planting viruses?

reply to post by JBA2848


When you say "people like Alexis were not allowed system administrator access without a second person present", where exactly are you getting this information from, and what are you talking about when you say "people like Alexis"?

reply to post by flyswatter


NSA to cut system administrators by 90 percent to limit data access
www.reuters.com...

The National Security Agency, hit by disclosures of classified data by former contractor Edward Snowden, said Thursday it intends to eliminate about 90 percent of its system administrators to reduce the number of people with access to secret information.

Other security measures that Alexander has previously discussed include requiring at least two people to be present before certain data can be accessed on the agency's computer systems.

When you are working on hardware and software like Alexis was you are using Administrator access. So the NSA would of had two people there as the new policy.

JBA2848
reply to post by flyswatter

 

NSA to cut system administrators by 90 percent to limit data access
www.reuters.com...

The National Security Agency, hit by disclosures of classified data by former contractor Edward Snowden, said Thursday it intends to eliminate about 90 percent of its system administrators to reduce the number of people with access to secret information.

Other security measures that Alexander has previously discussed include requiring at least two people to be present before certain data can be accessed on the agency's computer systems.

When you are working on hardware and software like Alexis was you are using Administrator access. So the NSA would of had two people there as the new policy.

What you referred to is an NSA policy, which Snowden subcontracted for. Alexis did not work for the NSA, he was a subcontractor for Hewlett Packard on the NMCI contract, so it would have nothing to do with him. If that policy had anything to do with Alexis, it would also directly impact my work in a very negative manner(which it doesnt).

reply to post by flyswatter


Project Groundbreaker (NSA Contract)
www.crocodyl.org...

Eagle Alliance

The Intelligence Community’s premier Information Technology Managed Services provider, Eagle Alliance combines best-in-class commercial practices with outstanding customer service.
www.csc.com...

JBA2848
reply to post by flyswatter

 

Project Groundbreaker (NSA Contract)
www.crocodyl.org...

Eagle Alliance

The Intelligence Community’s premier Information Technology Managed Services provider, Eagle Alliance combines best-in-class commercial practices with outstanding customer service.
www.csc.com...

Ok ... but what you linked has nothing to do with who Alexis worked for. As an employee of The Experts, he was simply a subcontractor for the company that I work for. NSA policies have absolutely nothing to do with any of the work that we do.

In my opinion, his clearance should have been yanked prior to him getting the job to work at the Yard. The DoD's OPM handles the background checks, I'm not sure how he got through that.

reply to post by flyswatter


Really?

Contract extended: June 2007

Project Groundbreaker is a $5 billion project to rebuild and operate the NSA’s “nonmission-critical” internal telephone and computer networking systems. The project is managed by a vendor team led by Computer Sciences Corporation and Logicon, the IT subsidiary of Northrop Grumman. It is one of the largest outsourcing projects the federal government has ever attempted.

In managing the project for the NSA, CSC and Logicon created the “Eagle Alliance” consortium that drew in practically every major company involved in defense and intelligence outsourcing. Subcontractors included General Dynamics, BAE Systems, Titan Corp. (now L-3 Communications Inc.), CACI International, TRW (now part of Northrop Grumman), Mantech, Lockheed Martin, and Verizon (one of the companies that allegedly granted the NSA access to its consumer database under the Terrorist Surveillance Program), as well as Dell Computers, Hewlett-Packard, and Nortel Networks.

Under the NSA’s “employee-friendly approach,” contractors received monetary incentives to hire NSA employees. “This type of outsourcing program hits our sweet spot,” said Frank Derwin, Logicon’s vice president at the time of the contract award.

Some key things there. "It is one of the largest outsourcing projects the federal government has ever attempted."

And "Subcontractors included General Dynamics, BAE Systems, Titan Corp. (now L-3 Communications Inc.), CACI International, TRW (now part of Northrop Grumman), Mantech, Lockheed Martin, and Verizon (one of the companies that allegedly granted the NSA access to its consumer database under the Terrorist Surveillance Program), as well as Dell Computers, Hewlett-Packard, and Nortel Networks."

The Experts Inc is a contractor supplying labor to HP Hewlett-Packard.

And seems they are still hiring HP/The Experts Inc to work on these systems.

www.glassdoor.com...

Company Description

www.Expertsit.com

The Experts is a global provider of IT, engineering, telecom and business process solutions - deploying best practices to customers in the public and private sectors. Our technology solutions and services support FORTUNE 1000 organizations around the world and are deployed alongside our trusted personnel supporting the war fighter abroad and domestic policy at home
Job Description

Candidates must have an active government clearance at a minimum of a TS/SCI level
Required certifications
Security+ certification preferred but will accept A+.
Required Skills
Large-scale application development on Windows and UNIX (Linux, Solaris); extensive COTS and web development experience and management oversight; progressive JAVA, JAVA Script and PHP development; virtual technology implementation
Information Technology Infrastructure Library (ITIL) knowledge
Ability to work independently; Exceptional interpersonal skills
Full Spectrum Leadership Skills
Qualifications

Requires a bachelors degree and 5-8 year experience. If no degree than a minimum of 12 years experience


Additional Information

The Experts, Inc. is anEqualOpportunity/Affirmative Action (M/F/D/V) Employer.
All your information will be kept confidential according to EEO guidelines.

JBA2848
reply to post by flyswatter

 

Really?

Contract extended: June 2007

Project Groundbreaker is a $5 billion project to rebuild and operate the NSA’s “nonmission-critical” internal telephone and computer networking systems. The project is managed by a vendor team led by Computer Sciences Corporation and Logicon, the IT subsidiary of Northrop Grumman. It is one of the largest outsourcing projects the federal government has ever attempted.

In managing the project for the NSA, CSC and Logicon created the “Eagle Alliance” consortium that drew in practically every major company involved in defense and intelligence outsourcing. Subcontractors included General Dynamics, BAE Systems, Titan Corp. (now L-3 Communications Inc.), CACI International, TRW (now part of Northrop Grumman), Mantech, Lockheed Martin, and Verizon (one of the companies that allegedly granted the NSA access to its consumer database under the Terrorist Surveillance Program), as well as Dell Computers, Hewlett-Packard, and Nortel Networks.

Under the NSA’s “employee-friendly approach,” contractors received monetary incentives to hire NSA employees. “This type of outsourcing program hits our sweet spot,” said Frank Derwin, Logicon’s vice president at the time of the contract award.

Some key things there. "It is one of the largest outsourcing projects the federal government has ever attempted."

And "Subcontractors included General Dynamics, BAE Systems, Titan Corp. (now L-3 Communications Inc.), CACI International, TRW (now part of Northrop Grumman), Mantech, Lockheed Martin, and Verizon (one of the companies that allegedly granted the NSA access to its consumer database under the Terrorist Surveillance Program), as well as Dell Computers, Hewlett-Packard, and Nortel Networks."

The Experts Inc is a contractor supplying labor to HP Hewlett-Packard.

And seems they are still hiring HP/The Experts Inc to work on these systems.

www.glassdoor.com...

Company Description

www.Expertsit.com

The Experts is a global provider of IT, engineering, telecom and business process solutions - deploying best practices to customers in the public and private sectors. Our technology solutions and services support FORTUNE 1000 organizations around the world and are deployed alongside our trusted personnel supporting the war fighter abroad and domestic policy at home
Job Description

Candidates must have an active government clearance at a minimum of a TS/SCI level
Required certifications
Security+ certification preferred but will accept A+.
Required Skills
Large-scale application development on Windows and UNIX (Linux, Solaris); extensive COTS and web development experience and management oversight; progressive JAVA, JAVA Script and PHP development; virtual technology implementation
Information Technology Infrastructure Library (ITIL) knowledge
Ability to work independently; Exceptional interpersonal skills
Full Spectrum Leadership Skills
Qualifications

Requires a bachelors degree and 5-8 year experience. If no degree than a minimum of 12 years experience


Additional Information

The Experts, Inc. is anEqualOpportunity/Affirmative Action (M/F/D/V) Employer.
All your information will be kept confidential according to EEO guidelines.

Let me clear this part up real quick - he didnt work on "one of" the largest outsourced service contracts the government has attempted - he worked on THE largest ever awarded (at the time, anyway), which was the NMCI contract (over $10 billion) - the same one that I have been employed on for the last 8 1/2 years.

I get what you're trying to say here - that he worked as a subcontractor for HP and did work for the Navy, so he must have been involved in the program you listed above, but that simply is not the case. He was employed on the same contract that I currently work on. You're referencing a completely different contract that HP takes part in that has absolutely *NOTHING* to do with the work that he did on the NMCI conract in Japan or on the Yard. In fact, if you look carefully, the contract you're referencing isnt "owned" by HP - it is run by CSC and Logicon (Northrop Grumman). HP is actually a subcontractor on that contract, not a principal contract owner.

EDIT

One other thing of note - the job posting you provided at the end of your post ... he did not qualify for that posting. I dont know about the guy's education or certifications background, but he did not hold the requisite security clearance to be cleared to do the work. That posting requires a DoD TS/SCI, but he was a step below that at DoD Secret.

reply to post by flyswatter


And do you use multiple names?

Chan Yao Qian aaron alexis
2011 finished a wifi coarse in China.

Mohammed Salem
Can't seem to track this name down to him. MSNBC used this name also it shows up on Jihad Watch. So you have the left and the right using that Muslim name for him.

Is that standard procedure for a IT tech? Would that be standard procedure for a NSA IT tech?

JBA2848
reply to post by flyswatter

 

And do you use multiple names?

Chan Yao Qian aaron alexis
2011 finished a wifi coarse in China.

Mohammed Salem
Can't seem to track this name down to him. MSNBC used this name also it shows up on Jihad Watch. So you have the left and the right using that Muslim name for him.

Is that standard procedure for a IT tech? Would that be standard procedure for a NSA IT tech?

I'm simply clearing up inaccuracies about the contract that he was employed on, and only doing that because I've been with that very contract for quite a while now and have a little bit of a working knowledge of it. There is at least one other person on this thread that also works on that contract.

The only knowledge that I have of the above names are what I was able to find online when I read your post - two sites that showed the first name (ce.ite.edu.sg... and www.np.edu.sg...), and a bunch that referenced him creating a website named Mohammed Salem (for an unknown purpose). There's been nothing to directly link him to radical Islamic beliefs, but it wouldnt surprise me a bit if that ended up being the case.

reply to post by flyswatter


How do you know he did not work for the NSA or even what he did? The fact he has a Muslim name tied to him makes more sense with the Thailand trip now also. I still want to know if he had no money how he made the trip. Someone funded it. Stay away from mosques and hang around the Buddhist temples.Good cover. Learn the needed language by integrating and then taking a needed trip. Use someone as a friend for cover. Sound more like CIA than NSA.

matafuchs
reply to post by flyswatter

 

How do you know he did not work for the NSA or even what he did? The fact he has a Muslim name tied to him makes more sense with the Thailand trip now also. I still want to know if he had no money how he made the trip. Someone funded it. Stay away from mosques and hang around the Buddhist temples.Good cover. Learn the needed language by integrating and then taking a needed trip. Use someone as a friend for cover. Sound more like CIA than NSA.

edit on 09pm30pmf0000002013-09-19T23:40:03-05:001103 by matafuchs because: (no reason given)

My thoughts the same from earlier, also I wouldn't trust flyswatter. I made a post about him a few pages back I wouldn't trust him going by his record of posts where it's Always pro government every single post he's made to date with the fact that he bashes anyone that believes anything other then what the official government position is. Guess cant blame him since he says he works for them.. I doubt he would be posting anything to expose the government in any which way that he could get in trouble for

matafuchs
reply to post by flyswatter

 

How do you know he did not work for the NSA or even what he did? The fact he has a Muslim name tied to him makes more sense with the Thailand trip now also. I still want to know if he had no money how he made the trip. Someone funded it. Stay away from mosques and hang around the Buddhist temples.Good cover. Learn the needed language by integrating and then taking a needed trip. Use someone as a friend for cover. Sound more like CIA than NSA.

edit on 09pm30pmf0000002013-09-19T23:40:03-05:001103 by matafuchs because: (no reason given)

As far as working or not working for the NSA, it is pure guessing on the part of people. I know who his employer was and what contract he worked on in Japan and on the Yard, but employment outside of that is beyond anything I would know.

I dont know anything about a trip to Thailand, muslim names, other languages, or anything of that sort, so I'm sure not going to say you're wrong. I just have no idea

paradoxstyle

matafuchs
reply to post by flyswatter

 

How do you know he did not work for the NSA or even what he did? The fact he has a Muslim name tied to him makes more sense with the Thailand trip now also. I still want to know if he had no money how he made the trip. Someone funded it. Stay away from mosques and hang around the Buddhist temples.Good cover. Learn the needed language by integrating and then taking a needed trip. Use someone as a friend for cover. Sound more like CIA than NSA.

edit on 09pm30pmf0000002013-09-19T23:40:03-05:001103 by matafuchs because: (no reason given)

My thoughts the same from earlier, also I wouldn't trust flyswatter. I made a post about him a few pages back I wouldn't trust him going by his record of posts where it's Always pro government every single post he's made to date with the fact that he bashes anyone that believes anything other then what the official government position is. Guess cant blame him since he says he works for them.. I doubt he would be posting anything to expose the government in any which way that he could get in trouble for

edit on 19-9-2013 by paradoxstyle because: (no reason given)

Whew, good thing that I dont care if you trust me.

Everything that I've stated as fact here can be verified through other sources if you wish to do it. If you choose not to, that's your problem, not mine.

Now, I'll ask you again, do you take issue with anything that I have stated as fact in this thread? If you do, bring it up. If you dont, then pipe down and let the adults discuss.

Seems that vetting employees is not something that the USIS does very thoroughly. Seems they were the same org that did Snowden and are currently under investigation.

This leads us to think how many more are out there not properly vetted.

Link

Government officials said this week that the 2007 background check uncovered an incident in which Alexis shot out the tires of a car. The 2004 incident was characterized as “malicious mischief.”

matafuchs
Seems that vetting employees is not something that the USIS does very thoroughly. Seems they were the same org that did Snowden and are currently under investigation.

This leads us to think how many more are out there not properly vetted.

Link

Government officials said this week that the 2007 background check uncovered an incident in which Alexis shot out the tires of a car. The 2004 incident was characterized as “malicious mischief.”

Yeah, the OPM has been criticized a lot for some of their work on background checks, and I cant say that I disagree. But here's the question - are they missing these items on the background checks, or are they seeing these things and not putting them in the right perspective? Either way, something probably needs to change.

Just found the missing piece to the story. A person who was quoted in a news story just linked things together for me. Seems this does go pretty deep what happened there. It all started years ago when a company named Analex Corporation ran by Sterling Phillips was sold to QinetiQ North America. Seems before Sterling Phillips left because he was no longer needed because QinetiQ North America had there own CEO to run things. A bug was released into the systems at Analex Corporation that allowed spying and secret data to be sent out around the world. China was blamed for the hack. And two companies were called in to find the bug in the system. Terramark and HB Gary. HB Gary said the bugs were in every computer at the place and it was worse then anybody even wanted to admit. HB Gary even started putting software on each computer to find the bugs and get rid of it. They said they got it and left. Few weeks later they got called back. The bug is back worse then ever. They came in and started going computer to computer to find the bug. And found out that employees were deleting the software they were installing. They install software walk away and IT comes along and delets it. Complaints started.

What happens next is the crazy part. HB Gary then gets hacked by Anonymous. Barrett Brown gets dragged into the circle. He was the spokes man for Anonymous and had links to what was going on and who was doing it. Now for the crazy part two. Snowden and Alexis both had there security back grounds done by the same company. USIS. Guess who is running USIS? Go on guess!ANSWER

Now if that answer does not surprise you then how about HB Gary was sold to ManTech International. And this is the part that tied the circle together for me. Gopi Upreti was there near when the shootings started. The article says he works for Booz Allen but his Linked in account says he works for ManTech International Corporation. Says currently working for Technatomy Corporation looking for money laundering. And USIS is under investigation being which is ran by Phillip Sterling.

Terramark Report for QQ
www.scribd.com...

Gopi Upreti
www.linkedin.com...

Story that quoted Gopi Upreti as being there.
www.theguardian.com...

Back Ground checks were done by same company.
www.washingtonpost.com... 2173-11e3-a358-1144dee636dd_story.html

Company That Vetted Aaron Alexis Is Under Criminal Investigation
www.npr.org...

Will this all come out in the end? Will Sterling Phillips tell what he knows of this spy network? Will the information come out on the fraud that has been committed? Will the information come out that shows how it all fits together in a spider web of spying by companies that have been at the heart of all this crap going on for years? Or will they continue to kill off people like Hastings who tries to tell the story?