Public School Made My Kid Imagine Herself Dying in the Twin Towers on 9/11

reply to post by WhiteAlice


Going to add this in a reply to myself to answer some probable questions. The video that I linked was originally aired on Sept. 21, 1990 on ABC's 20/20. So, the interview with the student from Columbine High School took place several years before the Columbine School Shooting. However, both Klebold and Harris were part of a program that would've been likely to still include death education. For those who are curious, excerpts of their journals are available online at this website: www.acolumbinesite.com...

The usage of trance states in schools, especially in specific programs, most likely continued on into the late 90's. I do not believe it continues today.

reply to post by k21968


Your statement below has a rather odd almost mirror like reflection of what I and others believe to be true.

A child cannot trust the world around her if she is never exposed to anything but good.

To my knowledge trust grows steadily from the moment the child is born and its the processes that are encountered by the child that destroy or re-enforce that trust.

Trust evolves. We start off as babies with perfect trust. Inevitably, trust is damaged by our parents or other family members. Depending on the severity, we may experience devastated trust, in which the trust is completely broken. In order to heal, we must learn when and how trust can be restored. As part of this final step, if we cannot fully trust someone. then we establish guarded, conditional, or selective trust.

innerself.com...

Its the bad things that occur to children that destroys trust , not the condition of living in a good environment.

If you tell a kid nothing but sunshine and roses, the first time they encounter something that is not sunshine and roses it makes them distrust their world and their environment.

I would disagree that a "Rosy or Sunshine" environment serves to create a pre-disposition ,
where the impact of something terrible or horrendous is more impactful upon the child, than say the one raised with an insecure base and has damaged trust .

The child with the in tacked trust will have a stronger psychological base to fall back upon , rather than a wary suspicious ,uncertain and mistrustful background where insecurity and damage has therefor created poor connectivity and relationships with others , leaving the child feeling there is no safe harbour to run too.

Yes they will be shocked but they know they have a place they can trust to seek safe haven in.

Constantly being or the alert is a nerve and anxiety ridden process.
That is not to say your child should not be guided to be cautious , but there is a fine line between being aware of your surrounding and anxiety and phobia's created by parents teaching their children that its a bad world out there and its out to get you." Confidence will flow more easily to the child who feels safe and secure than the one who's always looking over their shoulder.

If a child successfully develops trust, he or she will feel safe and secure in the world. Caregivers who are inconsistent, emotionally unavailable or rejecting contribute to feelings of mistrust in the children they care for. Failure to develop trust will result in fear and a belief that the world is inconsistent and unpredictable.

psychology.about.com...

reply to post by UnifiedSerenity

Are you saying we should expose children to war so they can all be paranoid?

Of course not.

Inoculating against disease is painful for a child (needles hurt kids) but worth it, right? Thats a poor example, I know.

When I was in High school they debated whether to show films of Nazi Death Camps to us kids in history class. They debated it and sent letters home to ask parents to write permission forms (or not) and then asked the kids what they thought. Anyone who wanted to leave class that day could. Then they showed the films.

I still remember the scenes of bodies being pushed into trenches with bull dozers.

The reason i was told was to "inoculate" us against war by showing the real horror of it. I agree with that to this day. Under the guide lines I laid out above.

reply to post by intrptr

"inoculate" us against war by showing the real horror of it.

Or could this have been to desensitize you to it?
Just as the many computer war games that have flooded the market , that create the impression the people are expendable and can be killed with impunity and zest , because the reward system is based on the more you kill.

There has been a concerted effort to do just that to the population of America, to desensitize them.

If you are an American and most of your PEERS were also subjected to the sort of programming , it has not worked , because your nation has become one of the most aggressive currently on the planet in fact its had the opposite effect.

Governor Romney was also interested in an early version of the Global Education 2000 Program (Outcome-Based Education) that's infiltrated our school system It was designed to increase our children's learning capacity while decreasing their ability to critically analyze. As a result, the Michigan education system ranked first in the nation for many years but the devastation to the children was horrible. Sex, Lies, and Mind Control by Cathy O'Brien

So what is the Global Education 2000 Program:-

The ultimate objective is to gain socio-political control over all present and future generations of children, conditioning them to be cooperative and pliable workers and citizens who will go along with the New World Order. OBE will be the tool by which those children will be conditioned to operate cooperatively in the New World Order. That "Order" will be an egalitarian society (run by a small elite) marked by total conformity to and control by the ideas of those in charge of the state, in accordance with state-specified values and attitudes. This is the classic notion of Fabian Socialism carried to its logical extreme.

integraonline.com...

reply to post by WhiteAlice


This is very interesting.
I was educated in an Australian school and we never went near the topic of death as the U.S schools seemed to. The closest we ever came to looking and thinking about death was in the observance of our "Anzac" memorial days.

Just from the few posters on this thread ,who I believe some are American , I can see that this in some way was a doctrine forced upon the young minds of the American youth , interesting very interesting.

Perhaps you were being set up for the current world events?

First, I believe that parents should be made aware that such topics are being taught to their children. A parents permission should be given if the child shows an interest in learning about it. I think it may be better for high school kids. Younger children are forced to grow up too fast. Speak about the subject if the child brings it up and deal with it accordingly.

Many children are naturally curious and surely have broached the subject matter with their parents already.

I had to grow up learning about the threat of nuclear attacks, where to find shelters, how to survive...Made for some rather nervous children. We even had those sirens go off as tests. We would be in the middle of playing, all happy and care-free and then wham that damned siren! Hard to be a care-free happy child never knowing if you were going get nuked any second! And really, even as a child I thought, who could survive for very long in that case anyway? Eventually you run out of supplies and can't go outside because of the fall out.

Let the little ones be a kid while they still can. Be gentle with the information you provide. When they are older they will be bombarded with plenty of drama, reality, fright, insecurities and vulnerabilities.

by intrptr

"inoculate" us against war by showing the real horror of it.

reply to post by Pinkorchid

Or could this have been to desensitize you to it?

No, this one film didn't do that. What did that (to me) was the 6 O' Clock news of the Vietnam war with Walter Cronkite. That "conflict" lasted my whole youth to early adulthood. That was a long time ago and not interactive.

Just as the many computer war games that have flooded the market , that create the impression the people are expendable and can be killed with impunity and zest , because the reward system is based on the more you kill.

I agree with you there. Video games are computer graphics and the interaction is designed to desensitize kids.

If you are an American and most of your PEERS were also subjected to the sort of programming , it has not worked , because your nation has become one of the most aggressive currently on the planet in fact its had the opposite effect.

I am an American and ashamed of my governments practices. We as a citizenry are divided and have been taught not to care about anyone else. We are selfish consumerists.

Sorry about that...

reply to post by intrptr


What I'm really trying to get at here is that perhaps what is occurring and has been occurring with America's military aggression has been created by the forces for the NWO , through insidious education programs that have traumatized the youth of America and created a dissociative state. This state can an probably had been used to dumb down the average American to the machinations of this OWG.

If that is the case , then we can see why there has been a great deal of apathy towards halting previous Governments from their warmongering.

In a sense it is the programing of the children from an early age which has created the cognitive dissonance we now see in the American people.

Do we blame the American people for this , or do we place the blame where is rightfully should be and that is the NWO.

reply to post by Pinkorchid

In a sense it is the programing of the children from an early age which has created the cognitive dissonance we now see in the American people.

Absolutely. If you don't live in America, I can tell you it indeed is the indoctrination each child receives from all angles... TV (media), school, church, family and friends or peers. Don't forget sports, alcohol and drugs, cigarettes, food, etc. We are creatures of comfort and desire here.

Do we blame the American people for this , or do we place the blame where is rightfully should be and that is the NWO.

It is possible to wake up. I see where you are coming from. Others do too. Thing is I am older and incapable of fomenting insurrection nowadays.

Really, I can only be the change I want to see. I don't contribute, I don't over react, I will not join either side. If I do, they have me right where they want me.

I am not a hero or a terrorist.

reply to post by Pinkorchid

By the by, I am sorry your child had to experience that. At so young an age and without parental consent?

Thats horrific.

My husband is a teacher, and when I told him about this, his response was "that was a stupid thing to do, did the teacher get sued?"

reply to post by intrptr


It was not my child , but one example of an article, of which I posted the link. I just found it to be an amazingly sick way to bring the reality of death to children.

reply to post by intrptr


I think late high school is appropriate to discuss such facts of history, but this issue was specifically about middle school. We have a death obsessed culture, and I think we are seeing the fruit of it in the ever increasing violent culture and acts happening with children on children violence, and the total lack of value of life in general, and I don't think it's an accident. I am not saying this particular teacher is some mind psy-op person, but honestly this sort of lesson just would never have happened 20 years ago.

Just like the lessons to step on Jesus or the American Flag would never have happened 20 years ago. I do believe those college professors are trying to push the envelope and we are seeing push back from some parents and concerned citizens. We have lost the idea of respect in America. We are crass, rude, selfish, obnoxious and so many act like it's their right to be that way. It may not be illegal, but look at how we treat one another on a regular basis. I thought it was a very sad statement that people noticed after 9/11 that we were a bit more gentle with one another for a little while. Honestly, that is how our society used to be on a regular basis, but we are being turned into Pavlovian animal trained dogs of me first, screw you, and get out of my way sort of attitudes, and in the long run we are hurting ourselves. Ok, off my soap box, sorry for ranting.

reply to post by UnifiedSerenity


Well played , but as you also infer its been some sort of programing that has resulted in this state of affairs and of course we are talking about generalities and not the whole of the American population.

reply to post by Pinkorchid

As a person who since childhood has been raised on a continuous litany of graphic (true)horror stories of murders,monstrous child abuse and the most horrific fatal freak accidents+road accidents+death by a mentally disturbed adoptive mother-i can tell you,it damages the psyche.
From the time i was about 3/4 i Have been able to very well imagine such things-it comes with the curse(some see it as a gift) of being an empath.I had the tool,my mother provided the material,and not a teacher,in this case.

It is like a cancer,psychologically.Extremely damaging.

reply to post by Raxoxane


Thankyou , So sorry , you are so brave to come and share with us.
It happens way too often and I don't want to be part of a world that even condones it in the least bit.

I find this totally wrong on many levels.....

At the age of 12/13 children are going through many changes both physically and emotionally. There may be those parents who are lucky enough to witness their child go through this transition without much of a glitch, but many parents I suspect will know from their own experience or that of their child that it can be a very fraught period.

I think it's very irresponsible for teachers to set this kind or similar kind of assignment. School's are after all supposed to nurture our children both academically and emotionally. ( at least that's what most schools prospectus would say)

So a teacher sets this assignment because she/he knows best and believes the kids needs an exercise in empathy . How many children in that class and age group may have already suffered a trauma in their lives? Had to face up to the real issues of mortality? Suffer from real anxiety about an ever changing world which they can't control? Those thing's are not "owned" by adults.

The idea that all children only worry about insignificant things like homework, friend's and pet's dying etc is a little over dated if it was ever true. If a teacher wanted to impart some lessons about empathy there would be far more constructive ways to achieve that than having them attempt to experience emotions surrounding their horrifying death.

I get sick of those who go on about what a cruel world we live in and it's better for children to face up to it while still young as acceptance will enrich their adult life. What a load of rubbish....I hope those people never have to watch their own child suffer.

Instead of teaching our children that suffering is part of life so get used to it....how about we teach them is there anything we can do alleviate others suffering even if it's on a small personal level? Or have we given up? Or does it even fit the agenda?

reply to post by Logos23


I totally agree , well said, thankyou.

Look on the bright side...

If they can keep kids in fear from an event they can't remember, then there is no need for them to do it again...

I honestly don't see a problem with this. If you can't imagine yourself dying then you don't have a realistic expectation in life. School should be less about daisies and worrying about offending someone and more about teaching people important lessons. I don't think it's the teacher's fault that the student ends up being raised as a total wuss. Imagining oneself dying in the twin towers is great because it teaches the kid how modifying it could be to die and to really take these things more seriously. These lessons are important to learn. Deal with it.