Vladimir Putin Addresses America In NYT

I wonder how george bush would respond to putin XD

"Shut it Vladimir, and watch this driveeee!"

It just gets more and more embarrassing for america.

Isn't this just a case of "keep 'em guessing"?

Just when everyone thinks they about have it all worked out... change the game.

Buy some more time to see if we can figure out a way to keep it going just a little bit longer without crashing.

TPTB don't want a crash... they're loving this world... and in recent decades they have become very good at sidestepping the crash.

Also, TPTB are just people, like the rest of us, who are trying to figure it all out... and are facing some pretty huge global moral dilemmas due to their "positions"... they're just doing what they have to (regardless of how they got to their alloted place in life)... trying to hold it all together (maybe for greed, maybe for altruism in their own perceptions... doesn't really matter)... until hopefully a solution is discovered or presented that works for everyone.

reply to post by HolographicPrincipal


If I were to comment from a Russian point i would say i am as confused as an American right now. Things and relationships are switching sides so fast that it is hard to keep up. Go back 10 years and tell Americans that they would have more respect towards the Russian president than the American in the future , and you probably would be torched on the streets for blasphemy

The United Nations' founders understood that decisions affecting war and peace should happen only by consensus, and with America's consent the veto by Security Council permanent members was enshrined in the United Nations Charter. The profound wisdom of this has underpinned the stability of international relations for decades.

No one wants the United Nations to suffer the fate of the League of Nations, which collapsed because it lacked real leverage. This is possible if influential countries bypass the United Nations and take military action without Security Council authorisation.

The potential strike by the United States against Syria, despite strong opposition from many countries and major political and religious leaders, including the Pope, will result in more innocent victims and escalation, potentially spreading the conflict far beyond Syria's borders.

A strike would increase violence and unleash a new wave of terrorism. It could undermine multilateral efforts to resolve the Iranian nuclear problem and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and further destabilise the Middle East and North Africa. It could throw the entire system of international law and order out of balance.

Who would have thought that Putin would end up being the voice of reason in all this.

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Lady_Tuatha

The United Nations' founders understood that decisions affecting war and peace should happen only by consensus, and with America's consent the veto by Security Council permanent members was enshrined in the United Nations Charter. The profound wisdom of this has underpinned the stability of international relations for decades.

No one wants the United Nations to suffer the fate of the League of Nations, which collapsed because it lacked real leverage. This is possible if influential countries bypass the United Nations and take military action without Security Council authorisation.

The potential strike by the United States against Syria, despite strong opposition from many countries and major political and religious leaders, including the Pope, will result in more innocent victims and escalation, potentially spreading the conflict far beyond Syria's borders.

A strike would increase violence and unleash a new wave of terrorism. It could undermine multilateral efforts to resolve the Iranian nuclear problem and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and further destabilise the Middle East and North Africa. It could throw the entire system of international law and order out of balance.

Who would have thought that Putin would end up being the voice of reason in all this.

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Seriously, as i said before .. it all doesn't sit right with me, call it a gut feeling, and for what its worth. my gut feelings have helped me survive more horrendous events previously.


personally....


I'm not going to drop my guard just yet, i feel like we are being played on an EPIC scale, so much so i almost feel offended ... lol


either way I'm watching with eagle eyes ..


PLEASE ... take extra care people, the next few months dont sit well with me,
Regardless of what your perspective is ..





Muzz

reply to post by earthling42
What is this guy (Putin) trying to sell us? He is a politician after all. Spin to win. Let Syria take care of itself. Enough said.

reply to post by RobinB022


If i give my opinion on this, i am just repeating myself.
In other threads i already have stated that i doubt that Assad has been the one who used chemical weapons and i was more than happy to see sanity in the UK and voting against attacking Syria.
Also the way Putin is handling this from the start, he made it clear that Russia would support an intervention if there is clear evidence that Assad has done it which is handed over to the UN so a decision could be made through the UN.
Take into account the threat made to Putin by Bandar and the proposal if he let go of Syria in the beginning of August, the cable about Syria that dates from 2006 in which it is clear that the US is seeking opportunities to destabilize the regime, it all adds up to this point.
The question remains, why?
What is so important that they want the syrian government ousted.. is it to isolate Iran even more? a step towards war with Iran?

reply to post by VoidHawk


Im with you brother its just theatre for the mind to make you believe there are divisions but there art not! only the ones you perceive once you see the truth you will never fall for there lies again.

reply to post by Tarzan the apeman.


Yes, a politician, there is undoubtly more to this which we have yet to discover.
And i think that as others already have mentioned, we better keep our eyes open, if those who pull the strings want this attack to happen, there will be new attempts made to get it.

jahari
reply to post by Ex_CT2

 

Half of yall that think he's brutalizing the middke east, which are overwhelmingly muslim, were the same ones that accused him of being muslim himself.

Wait a minute - I actually didn't think he was a Muslim until after I noticed he was supporting all of the hard-line Islamic groups over in the Middle-East and north Africa. Once I noticed that, I actually started wondering if people had been right.

And now, I am wondering about Obama's birth certificate - which I had not taken very seriously before. Because right now, it looks like there is more going on with him than I had thought before - and I think he's in on it with McCain, based on their body language.

I don't think McCain would be supporting Islamic rule or communism, so. . . I dunno.

And I'm really starting to wonder here what agenda Obama is working towards, because he honestly does not give away clues in his body language at all.

I know Obama is working against our nation's interests due to some conversations I overheard between my parents and some intelligence operatives back when he was running in the primaries, but I couldn't say what those were, other than I think they are set to win - I mean it is even possible that Obama is working in our nation's interest against the intelligence community.

About Obama's birth certificate... see, there could be something going on here involving him all the way from birth being chosen and trained to play this part.

All I know for sure is, Obama is a lot more than a Democrat.

Ormuz
either way I'm watching with eagle eyes ..

PLEASE ... take extra care people, the next few months dont sit well with me,
Regardless of what your perspective is ..

Muzz

I would agree. We have a bad economy over here in the U.S. and the politicians that are not in the know seem to be acting panicked as though there isn't much time left.

I respect this man. I like what he had to say. As for those questioning his politics... Russia just became an ally to the American people (note I didn"t say the American government... just the people) Good move Putin. Well done.

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Russia just became an ally to the American people (note I didn"t say the American government... just the people) Good move Putin. Well done.

Yeah, and once upon a time a city named Troy was stuck speechless by their luck and joy at the enemy leaving such a nifty big horse behind...as they gratefully pulled it inside the defensive walls.....

I'm not saying we be hostile to Putin. Far from it. He actually is showing 100% good faith right now and all is roses. I'd just note this man is no nice guy and his history..KGB aside..while leading the Russian Federation (The first time as well as this time) indicate ruthless efficiency and all the compassion of a hungry coyote, looking for something to feed the hunger.

He's a guy I'd probably enjoy meeting ....and never, for one second, turn my back on without someone else covering it.

bigfatfurrytexan
THIS

"It is extremely dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional, whatever the motivation. There are big countries and small countries, rich and poor, those with long democratic traditions and those still finding their way to democracy. Their policies differ, too. We are all different, but when we ask for the Lord’s blessings, we must not forget that God created us equal."

YES. INDEED This. "American Exceptionalism" Is the most gross and delusional thing we've come up with since Manifest Destiny.

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Whenever I look at photos of Obama and Putin together, I look at the body language as well reading the article (and seeing what I can see between the lines). To me, Putin always looks like someone is forcing him to meet some one he'd rather not. And Obama pretty much looks angry as well.

You can see that these two would rather not have to deal with each other.

I get the feeling that it is like a professional (Putin) being forced to play against a novice (Obama). The professional just feels that is not sporting and awaiting someone who can play the game at his level.

I think we are in for a real eye opener. Its going to be up to the American people to stand up to the internal conflicts this country is going through. Putin is speaking the truth, and sometimes the truth is hard to accept. Its not hard to accept for the majority of Americans, but for the American leadership, who have had little if No challenges for power, This may come as a shock to them. I have little faith in this Government to turn around, from certain disaster.

I personally think that Putin and Assad are in cahoots to have the USA and the UN foot-the-bill for all the Syrians' old and unstable chemical weapons stash that is mostly decades old and in storage-warehouses instead of technician run depositories...
the Putin/Assad offer to surrender all known CW munitions and agents will cost multiple $10s of billions of dollars to collect and destroy...and Syria ain't gonna pay a dime for the clean-up of those poisons because the poisons were 'surrendered' to the UN or USA...besides Assad will say those chemical munitions were made and stored by the previous dictator/leader of Syria and the present government just inherited the mess

Syria Under Hafez al-Assad, 1970–2000
See also: Ba'ath Party (Syrian-led faction) and Hafez al-Assad

Upon assuming power, Hafez al-Assad moved quickly to create an organizational infrastructure for his government and to consolidate control. The Provisional Regional Command of Assad's Arab Socialist Ba'ath Party nominated a 173-member legislature, the People's Council, in which the Ba'ath Party took 87 seats. The remaining seats were divided among "popular organizations" and other minor parties. In March 1971, the party held its regional congress and elected a new 21-member Regional Command headed by Assad.

In the same month, a national referendum was held to confirm Assad as President for a 7-year term. In March 1972, to broaden the base of his government, Assad formed the National Progressive Front, a coalition of parties led by the Ba'ath Party, and elections were held to establish local councils in each of Syria's 14 governorates. In March 1973, a new Syrian constitution went into effect followed shortly thereafter by parliamentary elections for the People's Council, the first such elections since 1962.[12] The 1973 Constitution defined Syria as a secular socialist state with Islam recognised as the majority religion.


...in 1994, Assad's son Bassel al-Assad, who was likely to succeed his father, was killed in a car accident. Assad's brother, Rifaat al-Assad, was "relieved of his post" as vice-president in 1998. Thus, when Assad died in 2000, his second son, Bashar al-Assad was chosen as his successor.

the Syrian or Iranians or the NK or other rogue countries could clandestinely send new chemical weapons as soon as the world turned its back, and was satisified that all the old Syrian stockpiles of Sarin or other Agents were destroyed


getting the secret cache's of CW all cateogorized and then destroyed will take years... and likely longer for Assad or his replcement to Sign the CWC Ban of 1993... www.armscontrol.org...


Putin is trying to solidify the inroads he made in facing down 0bama and the USA type of terror threats (disguised asthe duty of a Worlds Policeman)
Putin is seeing just when it becomes counter productive to bash our corrupt government practices...thats why the 'Open Letter to the People

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He's a guy I'd probably enjoy meeting ....and never, for one second, turn my back on without someone else covering it.

Exactly.

This was the most political stirring of the pot I think I've seen though. Its no big secret that we are fed up with our government, and for good reason. They are out of control to a point that we might not be able to bring them back. He talked about us being allies once to oust the Nazis. The Nazi government being exceptionalists with a you are either with me or against me attitude. Hmmm I think he just called Obama a Nazi in the most politically correct way I have ever seen.

Vladimir is really Putin this one up Obama's Assad!!!!

UnifiedSerenity
Obama being this girly man and Putin being this macho man, and yet Putin is about as far left as you can get being a communist, and so is Obama.

Seriously? Just because they CALL themselves communists doesn't make it so. Russia is so NOT left it's not even funny. The Westboro Baptist Church calls itself Christian, too. Sheesh. Russia (like most other 'Communist' countries) are comprised of a wealthy, ruling elite class and everyone else attempting to scrape-by. Sound familiar? They're just as much 1%/99% as we are but with a FAR lower standard of living. And a criminal mafia that doesn't even bother to hide their activities.

To borrow from George Ure, 'Everything's a business model'. Syria prevents Saudi Arabia/Qatar from building a gas pipeline to service Europe. Russia has a virtual monopoly in that regard that is worth billions of dollars. Vlad et al will do anything to preserve that. Don't be so freaking naïve.