How does God die?

DISRAELI

Originally posted by vethumanbeing
Christ never prooved his manhood, as he never fathered gross matter (physical children)

You're thinking of the wrong meaning of "manhood".
This is about "being human", not about "being masculine".
"Being human" would have been obvious enough to anyone who met him. It's the other aspect that demands faith.

Well, I and billions of others have never met him personally, beyond some 'faithbased system' one imagines (in their mind) never proven. No relics, no writings left from the great one--may as well have been a Jackie Gleason character from the 'Honeymooners'. You are backpeddling and did not address the other two assumptions of yours that I answered, you picked the easy one.

Deetermined
reply to post by vethumanbeing

 

The bond, meaning the spark of life was never transferred to a child, and so never participated in the divinity of having created an actual human being with another.

What you're describing here is pro-creation, not creation. Humans aren't the ones who gave themselves the ability to pro-create, so I don't know why you think that proves anything.

You missed the arguement completely. This has everything to do with creation, ie. radiation carrying life potencial (spark) in its energyform. Spirit (radiation) animates a body form. Jesus never animated anything proven, dead/diseased, he never fathered a single being that would have proven his bloodline exists past or present and if you were an evolutionist you would absolutely think you by progression of the specie designed yourself to pro-create at some point. Actually, I have no idea why you are so defensive.

reply to post by TheSubversiveOne


Although I am in agreement with you, I think that nationalism works in exactly the same way functionally as religion does. In the case of a nation doing "theater" to manipulate the masses, I think this is definitely lying and manipulation...

While in a God's case, I would give them more leeway because they know that we are here to learn and that it's just a game, in a nation's case,

they know that we are here to live, and they want to screw us out of free thinking in order to gain more money and power.

reply to post by vethumanbeing

if you were an evolutionist you would absolutely think you by progression of the specie designed yourself to pro-create at some point. Actually, I have no idea why you are so defensive.

I'm not being defensive, I'm only pointing out why your original post doesn't prove anything.

For starters, you must not be familiar enough with Jesus to know where he came from and his whole purpose on earth to begin with. It wasn't to pro-create.

Secondly, for you to suggest that we designed ourselves to pro-create doesn't even make sense. Science is proving that humans and animals originated and all share organisms that are found in soil life. Unless you're trying to claim that we created earth and soil, we couldn't have possibly had any control over our own evolution process or creation. The Bible says that God created us from the dust of the earth and science is proving it to be true.

reply to post by TheSubversiveOne


It has been my understanding of scriptures that Jesus was not God as He was Jesus. If Jesus was God while in the flesh of man then how is it He says that --

"John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God."

And then again the scriptures say -- "1st Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all."

In my understanding, there are two creations. The first creation is that of the celestial substance and the second creation is that of the terrestrial substance. God created the celestial world and as total Spirit He was invisible to this creation. The Creator then brought forth from Himself visibility to relate to the celestial creation. This visibility was God and was known as "The Word" in the celestial realm. The Creator introduced "The Word" as His only begotten Son because of all created sons of the celestial God "The Word" was not created but was brought forth with life within Him to be known as the Creators Begotten Son

John 1:1-4 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(2) The same was in the beginning with God.
(3) 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
(4)1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

The terrestrial Jesus did not create anything as Jesus. The celestial "Word of God" created and then appeared in His own creation as terrestrial flesh named Jesus.

As Jesus was conceived by the Word means that His Spirit was also brought forth into the soul of terrestrial flesh. As Jesus was born of the flesh it was His spirit that remained as "The Word" with life within Himself. This had no effect upon the Creator who still remained Spirit God in the celestial realm. Only the Creator's Begotten Son was the conceived spirit in the flesh of man. The flesh of Jesus was entirely human terrestrial flesh which experienced the totality of a terrestrial man.

As the flesh of Jesus perished it was His Spirit that had to experience rebirth back to the celestial realm. We call this resurrection. There is the mystery. There is no one that can understand any more than what has now been revealed.

As (Jesus) returns for His one thousand years reign, He is shown as "The Word of God" --

Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

Some that say God died is not true at all. The Creator God was removed from the entity of the celestial "Word" as He gave "The Word" the ability as an independent entity such as you would give your own son.

The difference is as follows. Jesus' spirit was an entity with life within Himself which had previous celestial knowledge and was the only begotten Son from God. All other human life form spirits are created and procreated terrestrial life forms with no spirit of everlasting life without the water and fruit to sustain their spirits. In fact these spirits can face a death.

God cannot die because death is created by God for the terrestrial creation.

slowisfast
reply to post by Greatest I am

 

I take pity on that man and he'll be in my prayers.

Widen your prayer brush. Way too many Christians have a problem with their morals.

www.youtube.com...

Mind you I do appreciate where Christians have to have corrupted morals to be able to stomach their genocidal son murdering God.

Regards
DL

reply to post by Greatest I am


Well, you're barking up the wrong tree...trying to convince me of anything.
You, also, will be in my prayers.

No thanks. Praying is quite self-centered and egotistical.

Here you are bragging in public while Jesus tells you to keep such things private.

So much for you following Jesus.

Regards
DL

reply to post by Greatest I am


That's a foolish thing to say.

Admitting I pray is not self-centered/egotistical. Bragging? Bragging about what?
I am created and I will give thanks to my Creator, and will pray for those who have been put on my heart. You. Some people can't see the forest for the trees but it's not my job to convince them. Only He can do that.

Cheers to you. I love you, regardless of your feelings about my faith.

slowisfast
reply to post by Greatest I am

 

That's a foolish thing to say.

Admitting I pray is not self-centered/egotistical. Bragging? Bragging about what?
I am created and I will give thanks to my Creator, and will pray for those who have been put on my heart. You. Some people can't see the forest for the trees but it's not my job to convince them. Only He can do that.

Cheers to you. I love you, regardless of your feelings about my faith.

Your faith as you ignore what Jesus said.

I am not an atheist but Satan and Christians want atheists to embrace barbaric human sacrifice and the notion that we should profit from punishing the innocent instead of the guilty and here you are preaching for Satan. Shame on you.

In reality, if God did demand such a barbaric sacrifice, he would be sinning.

He would know that barbaric human sacrifice is immoral.

You do too. Right?

Those with good morals will know that no noble and gracious God would demand the sacrifice of a so called son just to prove it's benevolence.

When you die, Satan will ask you; How was your ticket to heaven purchased? With innocent blood?

When you say yes, you become his.

Regards
DL

reply to post by Greatest I am


That's very nice.

Welp, I guess that's it then.
Like two ships passing in the night.

We have two different world views, and I'm alright with that. Love you, dude, you'll be on my mind.

Deetermined
reply to post by vethumanbeing

 

if you were an evolutionist you would absolutely think you by progression of the specie designed yourself to pro-create at some point. Actually, I have no idea why you are so defensive.

I'm not being defensive, I'm only pointing out why your original post doesn't prove anything.For starters, you must not be familiar enough with Jesus to know where he came from and his whole purpose on earth to begin with. It wasn't to pro-create.Secondly, for you to suggest that we designed ourselves to pro-create doesn't even make sense. Science is proving that humans and animals originated and all share organisms that are found in soil life. Unless you're trying to claim that we created earth and soil, we couldn't have possibly had any control over our own evolution process or creation. The Bible says that God created us from the dust of the earth and science is proving it to be true.

I have no idea whom Jesus (icon) is? I have spoken to him and know exactly who he is and what he thinks was his purpose here so for me not to be familiar with him is an anomolly as in he is entirely forthright concerning his opinions regarding his 'usership'. If you are speaking of the Fibiconi spiral as our birth destiny creation you would be somewhat right; but are you suggesting we all as specie are an accident of birth? I am not saying we created ourselves in so much as I am suggesting we are God and so then created a better and better version of ourselves with "grace". The bible was written by an illiterate specie called ManKind and so being is not TO BE BELIEVED. Science can go take a hike; because it is well known that that which cannot be explained by material physics is simply MAGIC. If you want to believe you are a monkey 'elevated' so be it (I will not marry into your race). If you think you crawled out of clay/muck ameobic and ANIMATED yourself SOMEHOW I will buy you a drink, you pick the place and time in 2 more million years; when you have grown limbs and are ambulatory.

slowisfast
reply to post by Greatest I am

 

That's a foolish thing to say.

Admitting I pray is not self-centered/egotistical. Bragging? Bragging about what?
I am created and I will give thanks to my Creator, and will pray for those who have been put on my heart. You. Some people can't see the forest for the trees but it's not my job to convince them. Only He can do that.

Cheers to you. I love you, regardless of your feelings about my faith.

This love thing is so self servient, I continue to hear it and not listen because it is NOT TRUE. It seems to me to be a way to unblacklist yourselves, as in if I say it enough someone will believe I LOVE YOU. NOT. You are praying to yourselves as a rightous disbelief inflicted upon others not so willing to take the tripe and eat it. Your idea of love that can overtake all is so unrealistic in this the flatland as to be laughable. Jesus himself knew this; preached the love, do you know what love is? its not the loving of thy nieghbor, it is the denial of hate, its the opposite of hate and has no thing as you know it LOVE. Love is a force/an energyform much like gravity. Its actually called "loosh" and is a viable and tangible energyform, NOT A HALLMARK GREETING CARD proclimation.

slowisfast
reply to post by Greatest I am

 

Well, you're barking up the wrong tree...trying to convince me of anything.
You, also, will be in my prayers.

Prayers are platitudes (misplaced) Id be offended if directed at me.

Considering god exists through faith alone, god is killed when faith is snuffed. Mix ignorance and imagination with superstition and the end result is religion. We don't need him.

reply to post by vethumanbeing

I have no idea whom Jesus (icon) is? I have spoken to him and know exactly who he is and what he thinks was his purpose here so for me not to be familiar with him is an anomolly as in he is entirely forthright concerning his opinions regarding his 'usership'.

So says the person who claims to be an advocate for Lucifer. Not buying it.

reply to post by vethumanbeing


You seem to be trying really hard to make a point.

And while I respect your adamant desire to change my mind, or educate me on your version of the truth, I reject everything you just said. The Love I believe in is much bigger than the definition of the word humans have chosen to describe it and is, most definitely, not of the Hallmark variety(although it encompass it).

Good luck to you, young person, may you kill your ego and find God in the process.

-Get offended.

Deetermined
reply to post by vethumanbeing

I have no idea whom Jesus (icon) is? I have spoken to him and know exactly who he is and what he thinks was his purpose here so for me not to be familiar with him is an anomolly as in he is entirely forthright concerning his opinions regarding his 'usership'.

deetermined
So says the person who claims to be an advocate for Lucifer. Not buying it.

I dont take sides, Im also an advocate of Jesus, and more importantly mankind (which is the one least deserving as it seems to relish ignorance) as in the hope it will raise itself to at least a 3.3 dimensional frequency before it destroys itself again. Last time I looked no Godform is helping whatsoever.

slowisfast
reply to post by veteranhumanbeing

slowisfast
You seem to be trying really hard to make a point.
And while I respect your adamant desire to change my mind, or educate me on your version of the truth, I reject everything you just said. The Love I believe in is much bigger than the definition of the word humans have chosen to describe it and is, most definitely, not of the Hallmark variety(although it encompass it). Good luck to you, young person, may you kill your ego and find God in the process.
-Get offended

I have no interest in changing your belief system, just as the bible could be fantastical fantacy written by the likes of Herbert, Asimov, Poe, Verne, Clarke, Roddenberry. Its entertainment value is miscalculated and became truisms (how did that happen--suspended disbelief or lack of common sense). I am not saying there is anything wrong with this. Love is not an emotion, its a force. The only way to meet your oversoul and understand the hierarchy of conscious levels is to put the Ego away (as in it gets in the way of the Non-physical matter reality experience). My truth is nothing to you, as it is individualized just as yours is (thats the point). Anyone that choses this impossible 'RFT' forum of debate is obviously adament about its 'caring to share' otherwise is foolish to attempt it as there are many very bright persons contributing and can spot a poser a mile away.