How does God die?

reply to post by DISRAELI


Sounds pretty convoluted to me.

Originally posted by DISRAELI
reply to post by TheSubversiveOne

 

Not pretending.
It's all there in the Athanasian Creed, but the main points are;
1) The manhood of Christ was real.
2) The bond between the manhood and the divinity was real.
That makes it a real single experience.

You really do need to know what the Christian teaching is before you start quibbling with it.

Christ never prooved his manhood, as he never fathered gross matter (physical children). The bond, meaning the spark of life was never transferred to a child, and so never participated in the divinity of having created an actual human being with another. THAT WOULD BE A SINGULAR significant experience (that never ever happened).

reply to post by TheSubversiveOne


The bible is metaphorical, allegorical, and mainly misinterpreted and misunderstood by 99% of its followers.

Imagine semi intelligent monkeys playing a game of telephone over thousands of years regarding myths about why some of the monkeys want to believe a god created the universe, and why one of the monkeys they swearrr was that god.

Originally posted by TheSubversiveOne
reply to post by FlyersFan

 

God is not one thing but three things? That makes little sense.

Is H20 the same, regardless if it's a liquid, solid or vapor?

reply to post by TheSubversiveOne


God dies laughing as
mankind makes plans.

Originally posted by vethumanbeing
Christ never prooved his manhood, as he never fathered gross matter (physical children)

You're thinking of the wrong meaning of "manhood".
This is about "being human", not about "being masculine".
"Being human" would have been obvious enough to anyone who met him. It's the other aspect that demands faith.

reply to post by _BoneZ_


OY.

There are 2 billion Christians on this planet. The VAST MAJORITY of them accept Jesus as God incarnate. Any church that believes in the Trinity believes that Jesus is God Incarnate. Catholics. Episcopalians. Greek Orthodox. Russian Orthodox. Church of England. Anglican. Lutheran. Methodist. Southern Baptist. ETC .... the vast majority of Christian denominations believe in The Trinity - which means that Jesus is God Incarnate.

You don't understand the Trinity belief. God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. One God, Three Divine Persons (or manifestations .. or aspects). It's still one God ... but God is outside of time and space, unlike us who are stuck in time and space. He can be in more than one place at once. We can't.

And as for Jesus being God ... it's scriptural.

Bible Versus that say Jesus is God
Jesus claims the title of God - 'I AM'
And there is more ...

Originally posted by windword
This concept of Jesus actually being God is somewhat new to me, and seems to be a new trend in Churches in my view.

No. The Holy Trinity is a doctrine of Christianity and has been since the beginning.

The Trinity in Scripture and in the writings of the early church fathers

Matthew 28:19, where Jesus instructs the apostles: "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."

The Didache
"After the foregoing instructions, baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living [running] water. . . . If you have neither, pour water three times on the head, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" (Didache 7:1 [A.D. 70]).

Ignatius of Antioch
"[T]o the Church at Ephesus in Asia . . . chosen through true suffering by the will of the Father in Jesus Christ our God" (Letter to the Ephesians 1 [A.D. 110]).

"For our God, Jesus Christ, was conceived by Mary in accord with God’s plan: of the seed of David, it is true, but also of the Holy Spirit" (ibid., 18:2).

Justin Martyr
"We will prove that we worship him reasonably; for we have learned that he is the Son of the true God himself, that he holds a second place, and the Spirit of prophecy a third. For this they accuse us of madness, saying that we attribute to a crucified man a place second to the unchangeable and eternal God, the Creator of all things; but they are ignorant of the mystery which lies therein" (First Apology 13:5–6 [A.D. 151]).

More early church documents quoted at that site.

Catechism of the Catholic Church - Trinity - it's been a teaching for thousands of years

reply to post by vethumanbeing

The bond, meaning the spark of life was never transferred to a child, and so never participated in the divinity of having created an actual human being with another.

What you're describing here is pro-creation, not creation. Humans aren't the ones who gave themselves the ability to pro-create, so I don't know why you think that proves anything.

You cant kill God. That is why the Bible says that Jesus gave up His own life. He "gave up the ghost" on His own, not by the hands of men.

Originally posted by TheSubversiveOne

If Jesus was God, then surely he planned and contrived his own death, as everything is planned and contrived by God. If that is the case, then surely he contrived the manner through which he would die, his torture, his crucifixion, who would see him, who would heed him, his final words, his three-day vacation to God-knows-where, and his resurrection. The spectacle of his death was designed by his own hand. Isn't that suicide? Or it was a lie.

Both suicide and a lie are kind of harsh, I would call it theater.

Although I do agree with you about the description you gave, that part has to be accurate.

reply to post by darkbake

Both suicide and a lie are kind of harsh, I would call it theater.

Although I do agree with you about the description you gave, that part has to be accurate.

Yes I was being a little harsh, but I'm sure an all-powerful being wouldn't mind my choice of words. But yes, theatre would be more apt, although I would prefer the term "swindle" better.

If Jesus wasn't God, but his son, God surely would've known about his coming death, we see an instance of the once common barbarity of the "sacrifice of the first born". Even Jesus knew about it and allowed it to happen. Why? To prove an argument?

If I was to personify God as people so often do, I don't see his logic in this masquerade. "Here's my son. You will torture and kill him. I will resurrect him and float him to heaven. You will henceforth believe, because that is what I desire." If this is the case, Jesus cannot be anything other than God's marionette.

It's interesting to note that somewhere in Leviticus, child sacrifice to Moloch is banned. But apparently, and hypocritically, the lord sacrifices his own son. What is the death of Jesus but a God sacrificing his son to himself? It's impossible to look at any of this rationally without being led to these strange conclusions.

reply to post by FlyersFan


Jesus had the powers of "god". Jesus was/is worshiped as "god on earth" being that Jesus was a man. But even with godly powers, he was not the "god". They are still regarded as separate entities regardless of the trinity.

Originally posted by Maxatoria
a god exists as long as people believe in them and the gods of the older religions are the devils of the new ones

I to have noticed that phenomenon.

You are quite bright for a young woman.

Regards
DL

Originally posted by slowisfast

Originally posted by TheSubversiveOne
reply to post by FlyersFan

 

God is not one thing but three things? That makes little sense.

Is H20 the same, regardless if it's a liquid, solid or vapor?

www.youtube.com...

Regards
DL

Originally posted by TheSubversiveOne
reply to post by darkbake

 

Both suicide and a lie are kind of harsh, I would call it theater.

Although I do agree with you about the description you gave, that part has to be accurate.

Yes I was being a little harsh, but I'm sure an all-powerful being wouldn't mind my choice of words. But yes, theatre would be more apt, although I would prefer the term "swindle" better.

If Jesus wasn't God, but his son, God surely would've known about his coming death, we see an instance of the once common barbarity of the "sacrifice of the first born". Even Jesus knew about it and allowed it to happen. Why? To prove an argument?

If I was to personify God as people so often do, I don't see his logic in this masquerade. "Here's my son. You will torture and kill him. I will resurrect him and float him to heaven. You will henceforth believe, because that is what I desire." If this is the case, Jesus cannot be anything other than God's marionette.

It's interesting to note that somewhere in Leviticus, child sacrifice to Moloch is banned. But apparently, and hypocritically, the lord sacrifices his own son. What is the death of Jesus but a God sacrificing his son to himself? It's impossible to look at any of this rationally without being led to these strange conclusions.

Good work except to those of faith.

“Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.”

“Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.”
Martin Luther “


Regards
DL

reply to post by Greatest I am


I take pity on that man and he'll be in my prayers.

Originally posted by yourmaker
When people as a collective die, so too will god.

Not before IT starts the whole human dilema/experiment process over-- again, and again and again.

Originally posted by rangersdad
reply to post by TheSubversiveOne

 

God dies laughing as
mankind makes plans.

God laughs as its creations continue to kill themselves needlessly (it can always create/duplicate more to fill any voids in population decline: in the name of a new and improved form of stupidity).

reply to post by TheSubversiveOne


You do know that no one is forcing you to beleive one way or the other. And in my opinion it is simply a wast of your time and effort to rail against something that you will not change.