Report: DNA test verified bin Laden's ID, secret Snowden docs show

Originally posted by xuenchen
here's the WP article.

nothing links to the doc.

To hunt Osama bin Laden, satellites watched over Abbottabad, Pakistan, and Navy SEALs

Hmmmm.

Perhaps they are sensationalizing the whole Snowden deal ?

Using 'Snowden' to somehow instill proof that something highly questionable actually 'happened'

I'm NOT convinced.

Why would the Post destroy their credibility on the Snowden Docs like that? Making false claims is a serious accusation against them here. You think they would stake their reputation by fabricating info centered around Bin Laden conspiracies? That's preposterous.
Maybe YOU can't see all that they have. Occam's Razor applied.

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Destroy themselves? Lets not be so dramatic. If they WP fouled up all they have to do is say they're sorry and retract their statement. Been done before and will be done again, as other outlets have experienced. Besides, I'm sure there are plenty of folks who don't think the WP has any credibility to begin with.

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Why would the Post destroy their credibility on the Snowden Docs like that? Making false claims is a serious accusation against them here. You think they would stake their reputation by fabricating info centered around Bin Laden conspiracies? That's preposterous.
Maybe YOU can't see all that they have. Occam's Razor applied.

Washington Post's Credibility and Reputation you say ??

The law says they can say whatever they want.

MSM lies with regularity.

Besides, they DID release a 'partial' doc.

So why not the whole thing ?

Here's WHY. (and I know you know this !)

People believe what is printed and reported at face.

By cleverly 'saying' things are in 'leaked' documents is usually good enough.

They even published a partial to solidify the 'lie' in the weak minds.

How many here were actually believing this garbage before we looked further into the doc itself ?

I bet this is just a puzzle game you're playing right?

Originally posted by TinfoilTP

Originally posted by reeferman

Originally posted by TinfoilTP


Now that everybody's favorite Russian guest has confirmed through the documents he stole that Bin Laden indeed died when they said he did, this can put a rest to the outlandish conspiracy theories that it wasn't him.

Every time someone rolls their eyes and says Bin Laden died years ago or that he is still alive, the go to rebuttal will be....Snowden leaked Seal Team 6 got him so it is forever debunked.

www.stripes.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

so now that you think you have won the "outlandish conspiracy theories that it wasn't him" tit for tat battle...

maybe you can move on to the bigger question the rest of us have been asking from day one..

If the FBI revised their wanted poster in Nov 2001, but did not list the Sept 11th attacks and Dick Cheney later admitted that Usama Bin Laden was never wanted in connection with said attacks,


Who Cares when, if or how he died? if Usama Bin Laden the leader of the supposed "Al-Qaeda", (ie CIA database Mujahideen) had nothing to do with 911, therefore "Al-Qaeda had nothing to do with 911



We the People were mislead into several wars, which are now occupations of lands with no evidence of them attacking America for military industrial complex profits & political fear mongering control.

We are no longer the beacon of freedom, truth or justice..

This thread isn't about Bin Laden's guilt in 9/11, it is about Bin Laden's death, date and circumstances, along with Snowden's infallible Doc's that everyone is swooning over.
Just the thought of getting into the 9/11 truther stuff has derailment plastered all over it.

I am aware this thread is about the murder of a man by our government who was supposedly wanted for leading a group known as Al-Qaeda to attack America on sept 11th 2001 and the CIA contract whistle blower Snowden who is your source for proving the governments assertion seal team six killed Bin Laden while hiding in plain site in Pakistan outside of any trial or evidence of his guilt or of his death.

you seem to lack context in your thread to tow the government line when you so anxiously posted this thread to say I told you so.. and you also forgot to..

Deny Ignorance..

Originally posted by Swills
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Destroy themselves? Lets not be so dramatic. If they WP fouled up all they have to do is say they're sorry and retract their statement. Been done before and will be done again, as other outlets have experienced. Besides, I'm sure there are plenty of folks who don't think the WP has any credibility to begin with.

As pertains to the Snowden Docs hold on, it is a big sweep for them, a once in a lifetime sweep. Big ticket stuff other news rags dream of. Handle with care type stuff.

Maybe Snowden was simply a dufus and picked the wrong guys to handle the info he risked his life on.

Snowden Doc handlers cry wolf, lose credibility.
or
Bin Laden died from Seal Team 6.

One would get them a Darwin Award, the other just a passing glance as it is no big deal to anyone except conspiracy theorists. See the disparity?

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Umm no I don't see it. If these docs turn out to be sensational BS they still don't take anything away from the OBL official story, for those that buy it, & it won't do much the tin foil population either because it won't prove or disprove anything. At the end of the day the WP will look like sensationalists and it will all be forgotten in no time because every news outlet is guilty of sensationalism, even ATS is guilty.

And you believe this? Ummmmm ok.... There was also nooo explosives in the towers as concrete, marble, ect was turned into dust falling with-in seconds right into it's own foot- print. LoL

And since you know it is absolutely confirmed since its in black and white... End of story. Forget all the facts and proof and seals dying....

So yea... Bin's dead. lol

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The post only published 43 pages out of 178 pages Snowden gave them.

Snowden, currently living in Russia under a one-year grant of asylum, passed The Washington Post the 178-page intelligence community budget request for fiscal year 2013

The Post published only 43 pages from the document, consisting of charts, tables and a 5-page summary written by Director of National Intelligence James Clapper

Source

To come in here after only examining the 43 pages and claim the story is no good is dishonest. There are 135 other pages from the Snowden leak the W Post has that were not published. Nothing conclusive has been shown in this debunk attempt.

In a different article by The Hill, we see a different approach.

They cite the same 'leaked doc' and even quote it.

“To further safeguard our classified networks, we continue to strengthen insider threat detection capabilities across the Community,” reads the FY 2013 congressional budget justification for intelligence programs. “In addition, we are investing in target surveillance and offensive CI [counterintelligence] against key targets, such as China, Russia, Iran, Israel, Pakistan and Cuba.”

The White House and the Israeli Embassy did not respond to requests for comment.

Leaked documents reveal US sees Israel as a spying threat

All that is actually in the partial doc published by the WP.

So everybody is supposed to believe that U.S. Intel is lumping Israel in with the other 'enemy' countries and especially paralleling Israel with Cuba !!
[ Although that IS certainly believable ! ]

So again, the real question is whether or not the 'leaked doc' is genuine.

Keep in mind that the WP was recently sold to Amazon's Jeff Bezos

Maybe he's trying to get his money back asap !!

Originally posted by xuenchen
In a different article by The Hill, we see a different approach.

They cite the same 'leaked doc' and even quote it.

“To further safeguard our classified networks, we continue to strengthen insider threat detection capabilities across the Community,” reads the FY 2013 congressional budget justification for intelligence programs. “In addition, we are investing in target surveillance and offensive CI [counterintelligence] against key targets, such as China, Russia, Iran, Israel, Pakistan and Cuba.”

The White House and the Israeli Embassy did not respond to requests for comment.

Leaked documents reveal US sees Israel as a spying threat

All that is actually in the partial doc published by the WP.

So everybody is supposed to believe that U.S. Intel is lumping Israel in with the other 'enemy' countries and especially paralleling Israel with Cuba !!
[ Although that IS certainly believable ! ]

So again, the real question is whether or not the 'leaked doc' is genuine.

Keep in mind that the WP was recently sold to Amazon's Jeff Bezos

Maybe he's trying to get his money back asap !!

Coming at it from every angle.
Determined to discredit the Snowden leakers is what I see in your posts, to keep the Bin Laden myths alive.

There is nothing stopping Snowden from refuting the WP if they fabricate leak material that does not match his set that he gave them. He is all snug and safe over in mother Russia. Putin's only stipulation on his stay was to not leak any new material, there is no ban on him refuting what he already leaked.

The W Post also has no idea who else Snowden gave the same stuff to, so any funny business with the data could take them out of the game that way too and lose lots of money from being a player. That Google guy has a reputation for making money.

Keep trying to debunk though, if you win then the Snowden material is all suspect to being bunk.

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Here's a couple of fundamental questions you should be asking yourself:

How exactly did they "test" Bin Laden's DNA to "confirm" his identity? You do understand that they have to have another sample of said DNA taken at a different time and place in order to compare it to, right? Did the Government just happen to have that on file? Where did they get it?

Assuming they did have samples of Bin Laden's DNA, how do we know when they came from? Maybe both samples came from the raid in Pakistan. Or maybe both samples came from 2001 when he really died. Hey, you know what works really great for ID'ing a body? Pictures of the body. Dental records. But we can't confirm anything because gosh darn it, no body and no pictures or video of the Pakistan raid. Instead we get "DNA," hair and skin cells that can belong to anybody and that nobody can study or understand except a few select experts. Pretty convenient, huh?

Have you thought that someone could have filed a fake report and that's what Snowden found?

PS, providing four links that all say exactly the same thing because they are quoting the same press release doesn't constitute backing up your source.

Here is a clip by the BBC with a reporter in the area asking the local people information about this strike

youtu.be...


A neighbour said he knew the man well who owned this house and his name was Akhbar Han and a local newspaper seller who has been there 50 years says its all faked

Out of 50 people this reporter Interviewed only one said it was Bin Laden


Was it him? I don't think so,he's been dead for a long time :-/

www.dailymail.co.uk...

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Scenario: Government lies, government writes down lie, Snowden leaks written down lie = Public injests as truth; case closed.

Very nice.... I'll continue to question everything.

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Then all you have is information that may be in the docs in the WP didn't publish. You know, you'd think they'd tell us right off the bat the info they claim to have they can't & didn't publish?

Oh well

Talk about making "lemons into lemonade" now Snowden's documents prove the official story of Bin Lauden's death, really?

Let's examine the facts we have, and decide what makes sense.

1. Bin Lauden was reported dead 10 yrs. ago, which based on his health problems makes sense, most people don't live past 5 years on kidney dialysis under the best of medical care, but somehow he did living on the run? Unless he had a dialysis machine and medical personal traveling with him, it's very unlikely.

2. No body to actually examine, thrown in the ocean, why?

3. The Seals involved in the raid that supposedly killed him end up dead, very disturbing.

4. Bin Lauden never took credit for the 9-11 attacks, why not? Wouldn't a terrorist that pulled off something of that magnitude want to make it known?

5. The timing of the whole thing is very convenient for Obama's re-election, and rather then showing the public any actual proof we see Obama, Hillary and Co. watching this in some badly staged sideshow.

6. Witnesses and neighbors claiming the man that was killed was not Bin Lauden.

Something is terribly wrong with the whole thing, and now somehow it's going to be Snowden's documents that clear this all up, I don't believe it for a minute. If Obama and the government truly wanted to expose the truth about what happened on 9-11 and everything that followed, Patriot Act, NDAA, TSA, NSA, perpetual Wars with no proof of threat to the US they would have captured him and had a public trial, they never wanted to actually allow the public to hear his story, and that's why they covered up his death, how could they justify the looting and murder otherwise....just remember who profited from 9-11 and it sure wasn't Bin Lauden.

Originally posted by Swills
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Then all you have is information that may be in the docs in the WP didn't publish. You know, you'd think they'd tell us right off the bat the info they claim to have they can't & didn't publish?

Oh well

Oh there is much more evidence that you seem to want to not include coming from the Snowden Docs.

Eight hours after the raid, according to the documents, a forensic intelligence laboratory run by the Defense Intelligence Agency in Afghanistan had analyzed DNA from bin Laden’s corpse and “provided a conclusive match” confirming his identity. The budget further reveals that satellites operated by the National Reconnaissance Office performed more than 387 “collects” of high-resolution and infrared images of the Abbottabad compound in the month before the raid — intelligence that was “critical to prepare for the mission and contributed to the decision to approve execution.”

Source

The Snowden docs track the course of expenditures on all the intel gathering to organize the raid. From spy satellites to NSA spy branches implanting and gaining intel from cell phone traffic. It lists the expenditure and time stamp of eight hours after the raid and also where, they did the DNA testing.

The Snowden docs are a goldmine of evidence that Seal Team 6 got Bin Laden when they said they did.

It wasn't just a single phrase or lone sentence, it is the entirety of the operation documented by the expenditures.

Originally posted by TinfoilTP

Originally posted by Bassago
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I wasn't aware that Snowden shared any of his documents with the Stars and Strips. How valid do you think this revelation really is? And where did they get the documents?

It is all over the news everywhere, and I provided 4 of the sources reporting on this.

LMAO, because its all over the mainstream news it must be true eh?

Sorry but the whole scenario surrounding his "death" just doesnt add up. And disinfo like this will not change that.

The MSM ran with the later proven fake Bin Laden Videos.
Actually the MSM runs with whatever they are told to run with, and never show what they are specifically told not to show.

Originally posted by OneManArmy

Originally posted by TinfoilTP

Originally posted by Bassago
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I wasn't aware that Snowden shared any of his documents with the Stars and Strips. How valid do you think this revelation really is? And where did they get the documents?

It is all over the news everywhere, and I provided 4 of the sources reporting on this.

LMAO, because its all over the mainstream news it must be true eh?

Sorry but the whole scenario surrounding his "death" just doesnt add up. And disinfo like this will not change that.

The MSM ran with the later proven fake Bin Laden Videos.
Actually the MSM runs with whatever they are told to run with, and never show what they are specifically told not to show.

edit on 30-8-2013 by OneManArmy because: (no reason given)

Snowden's docs reveal NSA snooping...
"OMG, its true! They're spying on everything! Bring down the system!"

Snowden's docs reveal paper trail of Bin Laden raid...
"OMG, its disinformation! There's no way it was true!"

Seems to be par for the course right now. People are just butt hurt that this lends credibility to the Bin Laden raid.

Originally posted by flyswatter

Originally posted by OneManArmy

Originally posted by TinfoilTP

Originally posted by Bassago
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I wasn't aware that Snowden shared any of his documents with the Stars and Strips. How valid do you think this revelation really is? And where did they get the documents?

It is all over the news everywhere, and I provided 4 of the sources reporting on this.

LMAO, because its all over the mainstream news it must be true eh?

Sorry but the whole scenario surrounding his "death" just doesnt add up. And disinfo like this will not change that.

The MSM ran with the later proven fake Bin Laden Videos.
Actually the MSM runs with whatever they are told to run with, and never show what they are specifically told not to show.

edit on 30-8-2013 by OneManArmy because: (no reason given)

Snowden's docs reveal NSA snooping...
"OMG, its true! They're spying on everything! Bring down the system!"

Snowden's docs reveal paper trail of Bin Laden raid...
"OMG, its disinformation! There's no way it was true!"

Seems to be par for the course right now. People are just butt hurt that this lends credibility to the Bin Laden raid.

Yeah my butt hurts from being raped by those that claim to have my interests at heart.

Wasnt one of the rules that Snowden was allowed to stay in Russia that he ceased releasing information?

This just seems like some concocted story, a damage limitation exercise which not only puts out disinfo, but they get to make themselves look good at the same time.

I personally will take my time in coming to an actual conclusion either way, because until I eliminate the other possibilities I cannot come to a conclusion at all.

Am I allowed to be cynical with the track record of those that "lead" us?

Damn f'ing right I am.