Evolution Vs. God

UnifiedSerenity please don't tell me you are trying to prove intelligent design by quoting that interview with Richard Dawkins.

Remember what happened when he was asked simple question - in debate if God exist - what if you wrong?



Also worth watching - Enemies of Reason



This kind of proves why this can't end with you following reason, as instead of using your reasoning to invalidate false claims in book that was written clearly showing that whoever wrote it knew only of life around middle-east and Mediterranean sea.

To get facts correct, and from what I got from previous responses, you are following old testament, not the new one as that one was copy edited numerous times by Church before middle age. Is this correct?

UnifiedSerenity
reply to post by ZeroReady

When pressed on the details, even Dawkins admits to ID, but you all won't. Nope, just keep saying we don't know science, we can't get it, and never deal with the presented facts. We can keep going in circles, but it doesn't change the facts presented that show how evolution is not backed up by science, but is based on faith.

You seem to view every utterance, no matter how hypothetical, as some kind of admission. It speaks more to your own mindset than that of Dawkins. He was asked:

What do you think is the possibility that Intelligent Design might turn out to be the answer to some issues in genetics or in evolution?

His response was:

It could come about in the following way...

That's hardly an admission, that's a hypothetical. In fact, Dawkins is actually doing more to introduce a real scientific approach to Creationism 2.0 proponents in that 40 second response than any of the members of the Discovery Institute have. He's actually providing you with a testable hypothesis that you could investigate and continue to build on. Too bad that none of the cdesign proponentists appear to have the intellectual horsepower to follow through on it.

reply to post by Wertdagf

Another example of creationists deliberately lying for jesus?

I suspect the OP knows what he's saying are lies and this is all some elaborate troll to make Christians look like morons.

I don't think so. It's difficult for me to determine exactly what is driving this strange thread other than a conflict between emotion and intellect peppered with a healthy scattering of premature extrapolation, but I don't think there's any malice or deceit. Serenity honestly believes what s/he is saying, and I respect that.

That's not to say I'll go along with it.

reply to post by UnifiedSerenity

evalution is a complete theory and god,'THE GOD',does not exist in this time...but one day in time,the races will come together and create,'THE GOD'.

What you humans have created are nothing but demi gods trying to be,'THE GOD'

LastAmazonOnEarth
reply to post by UnifiedSerenity

 

evalution is a complete theory and god,'THE GOD',does not exist in this time...but one day in time,the races will come together and create,'THE GOD'.

What you humans have created are nothing but demi gods trying to be,'THE GOD'

Just as long as its not a golden calf we see what happened last time.

reply to post by LastAmazonOnEarth


I look forward to you saying this one day to His face. It will be most amusing.

reply to post by UnifiedSerenity


Sounds like you're running out of rebuttals. Are you sure you don't have any more "proof" that God is a scientifically superior answer to evolution? You still have a long way to go.

ZeroReady
reply to post by UnifiedSerenity

 

You've got to be kidding me. Dawkins didn't admit to ID. He said it could be possible that a species evolved by Darwinian means to have the power of creating a universe. For one, that isn't god. For two, he only said it's possible, not that it freaking happened that way.

You are really grasping at straws here. Just admit it. God is dead, and no one cares.

God isn't dead! He lives in books and the delusions of peoples minds, the same place he has always lived,,, and most likely always will until they realize that Harry Potter is as real as the god they worship. Faith is a crutch and they are all crippled.

I like the NIN reference though. You make a good point!! The die hard creationists though are so blinded by faith they will never understand.

reply to post by UnifiedSerenity



That is very mean... don't tell me you (or your God) would not forgive those who are misled??

For some strange reason I thought that God is forgiving... but you somehow like to prove me wrong...

Sorry for this little OT.

Still waiting to hear when big flood happened, if world is only 6.5K years old... Had some questions regarding that event... and those who believe that it really happened.

reply to post by SuperFrog


I have already answered you, and you just apparently can't read it. There was the change between ages, and then there was Noah's flood that I don't believe was world wide by regional. You all like to bombard with lots of questions, but I notice all you do with what I present is say, "That's not true". You offer nothing of substance with regard to the facts presented.

Answer how proteins happen by chance when they can't mathematically. Explain how cows become whales. Explain why there are ZERO transitional fossils proving evolution. Explain how Giraffes evolved, explain how woodpeckers evolved, explain how life comes from non-life.

You all can't but you do point to your cute drawings made up by people pushing a faith, and using material already dismissed by scientists as not viable. You all can repeat your stories over and over, and you can deny God as presented in the bible, but that doesn't make your theory of evolution true.

UnifiedSerenity
reply to post by SuperFrog

 

Answer how proteins happen by chance when they can't mathematically. Explain how cows become whales. Explain why there are ZERO transitional fossils proving evolution. Explain how Giraffes evolved, explain how woodpeckers evolved, explain how life comes from non-life.

I believe at this point since you continually claim the math shows it impossible its time for you to post the math,Or are you taking someones word for it and dont know? Show us the math we have some smart people here ive had trig im sure i can figure it out. I all ready explained giraffes not my fault if you dont read posts in your own thread and woodpeckers i believe was explained also if not i will in another post.And finnally life comes from non life isnt that exactly what your claiming happened with the magical deity? So apparently its ok if god does it but somehow if it occurred naturally its impossible hmmmmm strange logic.

You all can't but you do point to your cute drawings made up by people pushing a faith, and using material already dismissed by scientists as not viable. You all can repeat your stories over and over, and you can deny God as presented in the bible, but that doesn't make your theory of evolution true.

Well empirical data says otherwise see through this entire thread people have explained why we know evolution occurs and the tests and observations to prove it? So where is the lab tests proving god or the observations for that matter? If your going to compare to things like creationism and evolution (not really comparable since evolution doesn't have a magical deity)you need to present proof.Tell you what ill even be nice id settle for any proof other then the argument this is wrong and it proves god did it. Since everyone knows you cant prove something correct by disproving something else logic just doesn't work that way.Its like proving theirs no Easter Bunny then saying see i told you Santa Claus exists.

reply to post by UnifiedSerenity

So, all you have left is to reiterate what your belief is and point out something that everyone already knew?

One wonders why the "evolutionist" community is so upset.

reply to post by UnifiedSerenity


And I have just one question to ask you: how hard it is to use Google, locate the names and emails of several respected professors, and ask them these questions? Doesn't it seem more logical than berating conspiracy theorists on the internet because you know they don't have all the answers? I guess you tried to set yourself up for success, but I've just pulled back the curtain on your scheme.

The wizard is revealed.

UnifiedSerenity
reply to post by SuperFrog

 

Explain how Giraffes evolved, explain how woodpeckers evolved, explain how life comes from non-life.

UnifiedSerenity
reply to post by SuperFrog

 

Explain why there are ZERO transitional fossils proving evolution.

Every fossil is a transitional fossil. Evolution never stops. Everything is constantly adapting to the challenges of the environment. You're looking for the exact point where one species becomes another. That isn't how evolution works. You have to remember we're dealing with timescales that we aren't mentally equipped to understand.

reply to post by kdyam

Hey thanks! My favorite band, or group, or guy, whatever you want to call NIN. That song got me through 3 years of Catholic high school.

reply to post by ZeroReady


Again, no explanation, but more dribble and dross. Fossils prove dead creatures, not evolution. If there were any transition fossils showing change in kind there would not be a discussion on this. It's obvious though that one more useless pro evo post is supposed to somehow mean it's true. It's doesn't prove anything but your intellectual dishonesty.

UnifiedSerenity
reply to post by ZeroReady

 

Again, no explanation, but more dribble and dross. Fossils prove dead creatures, not evolution. If there were any transition fossils showing change in kind there would not be a discussion on this.

I'm sure you would find a way.

reply to post by UnifiedSerenity


Here is one of several complete transitional records which suggests evolution by natural selection. The whale, which you seem to believe cannot scientifically exist.



The nose gradually moves up to the top of the skull resulting in the whale's blowhole.

So there.

UnifiedSerenity
reply to post by ZeroReady

 

Again, no explanation, but more dribble and dross. Fossils prove dead creatures, not evolution. If there were any transition fossils showing change in kind there would not be a discussion on this. It's obvious though that one more useless pro evo post is supposed to somehow mean it's true. It's doesn't prove anything but your intellectual dishonesty.

If you want to talk about intellectual honesty, how about all of the posts you flat out choose to ignore?