I Asked the NSA for its File on Me and Here's What I Got Back

So basically, what they are saying is they don't want you to know if a record of you exist's or doesn't exist.. Because that would mean you would understand to what depth of information they had and what type of information they store.. And if people knew what information they stored and how they stored it then people would try to counter it?? Is that what they are admitting to? O.o

Just remember the NSA have resources that Satan would be envious off.

Be careful mate because essentially you are poking a hornet's nest with stick!

These clowns don't react well to citizens who know their rights and pursue them.

Next thing you know there will be strange clicks on your phone line, maybe worse!

If the can't use the metadata to see the contents or who is making the calls as they say in the letter. Then how are they using the number and length of call time, to determine terrorist or drug related activity? Numerology and tarot cards?

I'm impressed that you thought of asking for the information. I didn't even think of that ....
The answer back was interesting. What a load of #@!$#!!

Originally posted by BigBrotherDarkness
If the can't use the metadata to see the contents or who is making the calls as they say in the letter. Then how are they using the number and length of call time, to determine terrorist or drug related activity? Numerology and tarot cards?

They can use it but there are restrictions. There has to be reasonable suspicion, or so the letter says.

I've read everything and the more links in it. Thanks for this dude, I am thinking why they can think that any NON-US person is from foreign intelligence service.

Originally posted by whyamIhere
These people at the NSA have lost the trust of the American People.

This Agency should be dismantled. The letter proves it.

They are incapable of telling the truth no matter what the subject.

They hold up a picture of 911 saying "we can't let this happen again".

Ironically, 911 would of never happened if it wasn't for the arrogance of these agencies.

Their quest to have a larger budget and the intentional withholding of crucial information.

Led to that tragic day...

I love your posts! You say it how it is with no BS stuck in there! Keep up the good work sir!

As someone who deals with FOIA on a daily basis, I don't think this letter is legitimate.

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Not sticking up for them but they refer to executive order 13526.


en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by Pelvi
So basically, what they are saying is they don't want you to know if a record of you exist's or doesn't exist.. Because that would mean you would understand to what depth of information they had and what type of information they store.. And if people knew what information they stored and how they stored it then people would try to counter it?? Is that what they are admitting to? O.o

I agree. That´s what they are saying.

en.wikipedia.org...

These latest regulations, at the time, went into full effect on June 25, 2010 except for sections 1.7, 3.3, and 3.7, which were effective immediately on December 29, 2009

Sec. 1.7. Classification Prohibitions and Limitations.
They have no limit to what they can classify

Sec. 3.3. Automatic Declassification.
There is no Automatic Declassification

Sec. 3.7. National Declassification Center.
There will be no Center or organization to declassify anything


This bill was meant to introduce transparency but by removing these key sections which modulate all the other sections It in-fact becomes a bill to give them more power to keep things secret.

Obama's experience in Constitutional Law and Whistle Blower protection seem to be paying off


Manning is in jail lucky none of the war criminals he exposed are in there with him or he would be dead.

-REDACTED-

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Yeah, my bad. I did the unforgivable and did not click the link. It's legit. My apologies to the OP.
I had not seen the second page of the denial when I posted.

Still odd. Normally the acknowledgement letter goes out before the FOIA request is either completed or denied/partially denied.

Ironically, 911 would of never happened if it wasn't for the arrogance of these agencies.

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Indeed, perhaps they might not have taken part in it.

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Here's what i read: Case number 72812, Processed, Executive order, unusual circumstances, somebody going missing soon.

Originally posted by intrptr
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compilation of the information provided would reasonably be expected to cause exceptionally grave damage to the national security."

"The national security?

I thought it was "our" national security.

No its "their" national security.

Sorry man wecome to the "piss ant" club.

Always will be nothing but a number/statistic to any government agency.

No offence to the writer of the letter...just an observation. You sending this letter was viewed by the NSA like a dog putting his chin on their leg during dinner. "Isn't that cute...he thinks he matters". And their FU letter was the "Now go away". The national security they talk about is their national security and that of the government. Us silly citizens think it has something, anything to do with us. It doesn't. You don't really thin Syria has anything to do with you or I...do you?

You see...the NSA does whatever they want and don't care that you don't like it. They don't have to care because there is nothing you can do. Obama spits on the constitution and doesn't care. Why? Because you can't do anything about it. Your government isn't afraid of you, doesn't care about you or your security. You are that dog. Sure...they will tell you they care, pat your head once in a while...but at the end of the day, you sleep on the floor or outside while they sleep in the house.

And when you become a big enough pain in the butt, you will get smacked with a newspaper across the nose. And if you continue and become "out of control", you will be dumped by the side of the road...or put down.

That is the government we have elected. The government we deserve for our vote. Now just leave your master alone...he has important things to do with your money.

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How many Fingers am I holding up Winston ? Five you Say ? NO , FOUR.........

Forgive me for my lack of book learnin' and whatnot but, I really don't see how they answered your request only replied by sending you a copy of the law and what it collects. I think everyone who has "nothing to hide" tried to get records, this is exactly what they would get. Perhaps it's the people that have something to hide that might actually get the records of all the incriminating info they have collected?? Yeah right...

Originally posted by iwilliam
In what way would releasing records of data collected about me, TO me give "our adversaries" any information? That only works if I share the information with "our adversaries" or if they can somehow intercept the letter, right?

Since the subject of the original story did, in fact, release the reply he received from NSA, it seems the Agency's fear is not unfounded. And if this guy actually was a spy or terrorist or some other potential surveillance target, any response other than "no comment" would have helped him commit some crime. So the only reasonable policy is a blanket "no comment" for everybody.

It also seems like "national security" is the new catch phrase they use to hide whatever they want. And maybe I'm wrong there,, but that's really how it seems. How does the release of the "collateral murder" video jeopardize national security in any way, for example? ... Protecting your image, or covering personal asses in high positions are not matters of national security.

I haven't seen the video in a while, but I seem to remember it exposing air weapons teams tactics, techniques, and procedures, especially involving the (admittedly imperfect) identification of targets and getting authority to shoot. This would help insurgents evade identification and move more freely through civilian populations. Evaluation of the helicopter's attack could also help an adversary develop countermeasures. That's identifiable and describable damage involving military operations, and subject to classification under section 1.4a of EO 13526.

LOL

So they are saying we won't give out any information due to National Security. As another post said, they at least should have sent a picture with someone flipping him the bird.